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Chess puzzle
This is doing my head in, I'm not convinced it's possible. White to win in 2 moves whatever black does.. Help please!
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Re: Chess puzzle
Pawn at E2 takes F3.
Then the king moves into E2
Then the king moves into E2
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Re: Chess puzzle
or king to F1
rook to H5 ?
sorry...no.thats 3 if black knight checks
rook to H5 ?
sorry...no.thats 3 if black knight checks
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Re: Chess puzzle
e2-f3 but black defends knight b1-d2 Then can block check from the queen. Or rook c3-c2
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Re: Chess puzzle
In that case the second white move is e1-e2 taking Knight.... CheckmateSuper Teds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:14 ame2-f3 but black defends knight b1-d2 Then can block check from the queen. Or rook c3-c2
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Re: Chess puzzle
So King goes to d2 (knight gone) rather than e2Super Teds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:14 ame2-f3 but black defends knight b1-d2 Then can block check from the queen. Or rook c3-c2
Sorry, StuffyClarets post didn't show on my screen; why not?
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Re: Chess puzzle
yes true. I should have just said rook c3-c2. so the king can't move
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Re: Chess puzzle
Yes. King to e2 if Knight is left at b1. King takes Knight if it moves to d2
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Re: Chess puzzle
doesn't work because if white e2-f3 then black c3-c2. So the King can't move into check
Re: Chess puzzle
can do it in 3 moves in various ways, but cant see how to force in 2... if anyone solves it I need to know!
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Re: Chess puzzle
White E1-F1
White G5-g1
Checkmate
White G5-g1
Checkmate
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Re: Chess puzzle
Got it! Re-run the problem on the basis that it's black's move next rather than white's and you can do it easily, maybe only one move.
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Re: Chess puzzle
If black moves first you can do it in one move.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:03 pmGot it! Re-run the problem on the basis that it's black's move next rather than white's and you can do it easily, maybe only one move.
Or impossible depending on their move.
Re: Chess puzzle
go on then... take me through it.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:03 pmGot it! Re-run the problem on the basis that it's black's move next rather than white's and you can do it easily, maybe only one move.
pawn f3 can only go e2 - then King e1-e2 Checkmate
pawn a1 cant move
Knight b1 can go either a1 or d2 - d2, then King e1-d2 Checkmate; a1, King e1-d2 Checkmate
Rook however can do many different options, for example c3-c5 to threaten the white rook - White king cant just e1-d2 because of knight so can really only move white rook to either take black rook or move out of line.
I'm struggling here
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Re: Chess puzzle
Who has the first move ?
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Re: Chess puzzle
Move the Queen (white) into B2 (Move 1)
If black pawn takes white pawn and moves into F3, then White Queen moves to B7 for checkmate (Move 2)
However if black moves their Rook anywhere, then White queen moves to H8 instead (Move 2)
If the black horse is jumped to d2 or a3 instead then White moves the king to D2 (Move 2)
If black pawn takes white pawn and moves into F3, then White Queen moves to B7 for checkmate (Move 2)
However if black moves their Rook anywhere, then White queen moves to H8 instead (Move 2)
If the black horse is jumped to d2 or a3 instead then White moves the king to D2 (Move 2)
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Re: Chess puzzle
To whom it may concern...
Had this scenario on my board shortly after the OP.
Am now burning my chess set.
Had this scenario on my board shortly after the OP.
Am now burning my chess set.
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Re: Chess puzzle
I thought it meant 2 moves for White, not 1 move each.
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Re: Chess puzzle
'F'raid not, having moved the Queen to B1, it falls to the pawn, so you'd still need two more white moves.
FactualFrank's B2 move seems to be the answer.
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Re: Chess puzzle
Oh, stuff this, I'm off to see if the roof's still on.
Re: Chess puzzle
yes I was wrong
white has 2 moves and goes first so that means black has only one move to prevent white moving to checkmate, blacks second move is meaningless as he can not stop the checkmate on whites second move, this is the scenario.
Quite right I would have lost white queen to black pawn, therefore the move I suggested does not work at all doh!
white has 2 moves and goes first so that means black has only one move to prevent white moving to checkmate, blacks second move is meaningless as he can not stop the checkmate on whites second move, this is the scenario.
Quite right I would have lost white queen to black pawn, therefore the move I suggested does not work at all doh!
Re: Chess puzzle
For the first option, I think you mean B7?FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:13 pmMove the Queen (white) into B2 (Move 1)
If black pawn takes white pawn and moves into F3, then White Queen moves to B7 for checkmate (Move 2)
However if black moves their Rook anywhere, then White queen moves to H8 instead (Move 2)
If the black horse is jumped to d2 or a3 instead then White moves the king to D2 (Move 2)
But with the balck horse option, if the queen is at B2 and the king is at D2, then the black king isn't even in check and the black horse can skip about the board so there can't be a checkmate. Can there?
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Re: Chess puzzle
C1 to B2AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:32 pm'F'raid not, having moved the Queen to B1, it falls to the pawn, so you'd still need two more white moves.
FactualFrank's B2 move seems to be the answer.
Then there's a move for White to checkmate, regardless of what Black does.
That's my more simplified version
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Re: Chess puzzle
Yeah, I did, just edited it.
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Re: Chess puzzle
Oh, cheers Kate !!!KateR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:36 pmyes I was wrong
white has 2 moves and goes first so that means black has only one move to prevent white moving to checkmate, blacks second move is meaningless as he can not stop the checkmate on whites second move, this is the scenario.
Quite right I would have lost white queen to black pawn, therefore the move I suggested does not work at all doh!
Led right up the garden path there.
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Re: Chess puzzle
Not sure now, my brain is fried.
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Re: Chess puzzle
thanks Frank - I think you have itFactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:13 pmMove the Queen (white) into B2 (Move 1)
If black pawn takes white pawn and moves into F3, then White Queen moves to B7 for checkmate (Move 2)
However if black moves their Rook anywhere, then White queen moves to H8 instead (Move 2)
If the black horse is jumped to d2 or a3 instead then White moves the king to D2 (Move 2)
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Re: Chess puzzle
If black knight moves to A3 and king moves to D2 then returning black knight to B1 prevents checkmate.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:13 pmMove the Queen (white) into B2 (Move 1)
If black pawn takes white pawn and moves into F3, then White Queen moves to B7 for checkmate (Move 2)
However if black moves their Rook anywhere, then White queen moves to H8 instead (Move 2)
If the black horse is jumped to d2 or a3 instead then White moves the king to D2 (Move 2)
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Re: Chess puzzle
I don't think I have, and think dsr.
If we start with what I suggested by moving queen to B2, the black horse can move to a3.
The Queen can't do anything for the second move to make it checkmake.
If the King moves to D3, then all the black horse has to do is move back to its original spot, to black the castle checking the King.
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Re: Chess puzzle
As what kendaldave said.
Re: Chess puzzle
White g5-h5 check
white f4-h2 Mate ?
white f4-h2 Mate ?
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Re: Chess puzzle
C1 to E3
Queen takes pawn..checkmate.?
Queen takes pawn..checkmate.?
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Re: Chess puzzle
SHUT IT FRANK... we could've fooled them allFactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:06 pmI don't think I have, and think dsr.
If we start with what I suggested by moving queen to B2, the black horse can move to a3.
The Queen can't do anything for the second move to make it checkmake.
If the King moves to D3, then all the black horse has to do is move back to its original spot, to black the castle checking the King.
back to the squared drawing board...
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Re: Chess puzzle
I don't think it's possible
...It's a weird one because all of the blacks moves are so unnatural in that they just lose pieces but technically after pawn takes f3, black can take the c2 pawn with their rook and delay checkmate by a move
its checkmate in three in a number of ways but no way to mate in2!
...It's a weird one because all of the blacks moves are so unnatural in that they just lose pieces but technically after pawn takes f3, black can take the c2 pawn with their rook and delay checkmate by a move
its checkmate in three in a number of ways but no way to mate in2!
Re: Chess puzzle
I had a 3 hour Zoom meeting with Splunk today, and then this. I've got no work done at all, TGIF...!
Re: Chess puzzle
where did you find the puzzle? any clues to the solution there?Super Teds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:01 amThis is doing my head in, I'm not convinced it's possible. White to win in 2 moves whatever black does.. Help please!
Re: Chess puzzle
Then Bishop moves to h2?FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:17 pmKing can move to G2 as castle is no longer where it was.
Re: Chess puzzle
ok, my brain is officially hurting now
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Re: Chess puzzle
http://www.theproblemist.org/wcbcsc/wcb ... ct=starter
no, it's a competition entry, also on guardian sport page. If I had a life, I'd have wasted it today. Please someone solve it!
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Re: Chess puzzle
There's more than one way I think depending on what the black player does, but the first move is queen to B2.
From there it's either;
1) black rook moves - queen to h8
2) black pawn at f3 moves to e2 - queen to b7
3) black knight moves to d2 - king takes black knight
4) black knight moves to a3 - king castles with rook
From there it's either;
1) black rook moves - queen to h8
2) black pawn at f3 moves to e2 - queen to b7
3) black knight moves to d2 - king takes black knight
4) black knight moves to a3 - king castles with rook
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