Owt for nowt

[Rileybobs]

The underlying message being put out there via the media is working a treat.
Clubs; Don't ask silly money for players, we won't pay it. If you want to sell us a player, be realistic.
Agents; Don't make silly wage demands, we won't pay it. If your player is going to sign for us, be realistic.
What a fantastic double act these two are becoming, even convincing our own fans.
These two know how to prep the market we're going to be working this summer.

That’s very optimistic I think. Clubs, agents and players already know that we won’t pay big bucks. The chairman and manager didn’t need to manufacture a rift to get that message out.

Sending out this message may deter players from joining us. It could also lead to unwanted attention towards Dyche from other clubs, something that is definitely not in the clubs interests.

So when you consider that, and people a little more in the know like Claret Tony suggesting that the chairman and manager aren’t on the best terms, your scenario is very wishful thinking in my view.

[scouseclaret]

No-one could deny the Garlick has been a positive influence on the club, or that we have come a long way under his chairmanship. It was, after all, him and John B who brought Dyche to the Club in the first place and hitherto they seem to have enjoyed a very effective working relationship.

But, a colossal amount of money has come into the club over that time and yet we still seem to plead poverty at every opportunity. And before anybody starts, I do know it costs a lot of money to run a Premier League club as well, but our money seems to go a lot less far than most others. If Garlick really has the long term interests of the club at heart, he will try to do whatever it takes to retain the services of the man who has delivered so much to the club.

Also, don’t forget that it is the current board who re-engineered the shareholder structure of the club to ensure that they - and only they - will benefit if and when it is sold. It does make you wonder if that is MG’s primary motivation at present. Might explain why he seems to want to conserve cash...?

[ksrclaret]

Does anyone really believe Dyche is told to go out and spin some line to the media about how we don’t have a pot to p1ss in? And then agents will suddenly be like “oh okay then forget that huge fee I wanted from you I’ll work for free instead”?

[No Ney Never]

Reading some of the posts on this thread, one would be forgiven for thinking that Mike Garlic had just retrospectively invoiced the club for his services over the past five years.

[Hibsclaret]

I’ll be very surprised if he’s here next season tbh.

The thing is we’ve had various comments about the club being cheap or how career goals have been assessed during lockdown etc etc. None of those comments should have been coming from the mouth of a manager earning 3.5 m per year.

During this time his players have performed absolute miracles which is at odds to what normally happens when a manager starts coming out with these sort of comments (they usually down tools and lose games....).

Everybody knows how good he is and I think he’s personally thinking what does he have to do to get a bigger job, probably nearer home (which is what I think is his biggest motivator post lockdown).

The club were not being cheap when they gave him a 4 year plus deal to sign. Perhaps he should have pressed for continued 1 year rolling deals to ensure he was not restricted to a lengthier stay....

I think he wants to be nearer home (having had 3 more normal months with his family) and that he should not be going about it with these sort of comments. A shame for someone who has as much goodwill as he has earned. All the issues with the chairman could have been kept under wraps but you are more likely to get new offers when the media sniff unrest and uncertainty.

I hope the relationship ends more positively than it is appearing at the minute

[jtv]

Like proper supporters, it's good to have proper supporters running the club, who only have it's best interests at heart.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Further up you just said that Mr Garlick was ONLY looking after HIS interests.

[ksrclaret]

Yep, I think Dyche would benefit from one of those ‘straighteners’ he used to talk about.

A visit to see his brother in the Weetebix factory might be in order. Then he’d probably realise what a cheap employer looks like, no disrespect to Weetabix intended.

[nyclaret]

He’s obviously looking for a move.

[Long Time Lurker]

Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.

Without Dyche ...... we are Mike Riggs club, be careful what you wish for.

[Steve1956]

Without Dyche ...... we are Mike Riggs club, be careful what you wish for.

That's utter boll00cks!

[Somethingfishy]

Something really has to give this window. Dyche knows that..we know that. The squad is painfully thin and we have got to the point we need probably 4 or 5 signings just to maintain the squad depth we had earlier this season..when it was already thin by Prem standards. It is very much a make or break window and our relative inaction and frugality in past windows could be coming back to bite us now.

[martin_p]

Something said in jest that doesn’t translate into the written word very well. People need to calm down and stop taking things so literally.

[Steve1956]

I’ll be very surprised if he’s here next season tbh.

The thing is we’ve had various comments about the club being cheap or how career goals have been assessed during lockdown etc etc. None of those comments should have been coming from the mouth of a manager earning 3.5 m per year.

During this time his players have performed absolute miracles which is at odds to what normally happens when a manager starts coming out with these sort of comments (they usually down tools and lose games....).

Everybody knows how good he is and I think he’s personally thinking what does he have to do to get a bigger job, probably nearer home (which is what I think is his biggest motivator post lockdown).

The club were not being cheap when they gave him a 4 year plus deal to sign. Perhaps he should have pressed for continued 1 year rolling deals to ensure he was not restricted to a lengthier stay....

I think he wants to be nearer home (having had 3 more normal months with his family) and that he should not be going about it with these sort of comments. A shame for someone who has as much goodwill as he has earned. All the issues with the chairman could have been kept under wraps but you are more likely to get new offers when the media sniff unrest and uncertainty.

I hope the relationship ends more positively than it is appearing at the minute

Great post...and our slide into Middlesboro like oblivion will begin shortly after Dyche closes the managers door behind him at Turf Moor

[BennyD]

It looks to me like SD is on his way out.

[Long Time Lurker]

That's utter boll00cks!

If Dyche leaves who do you think will be tasked with finding us a new Head Coach ?

Identifying a new Head Coach falls under the remit of the Technical Director

[Billy Balfour]

Something said in jest that doesn’t translate into the written word very well. People need to calm down and stop taking things so literally.

Yep, the reaction on here is unbelievable, isn't it.

[Somethingfishy]

Great post...and our slide into Middlesboro like oblivion will begin shortly after Dyche closes the managers door behind him at Turf Moor

I think the Stoke comparison with Pulis leaving is much more accurate as to what might happen. Garlick would really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to keep the momentum going.

[Steve1956]

I think Dyche will leave at the end of the season and be given the managers job and the funds at Villa to bring them back into the Premier League,I see that as the only way he is going to be given the chance to manage a big club,I'm sure he will jump at that chance if hes offered it

[Leisure]

He's not wrong though is he?

We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok

Care to elaborate on that? How exactly is he looking after himself?

[JohnMac]

He's not wrong though is he?

We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok.

Mr Garlick has nothing in mind but the interests of the club, he takes no salary for his troubles so is hardly 'looking after himself'.

[Leisure]

Something really has to give this window. Dyche knows that..we know that. The squad is painfully thin and we have got to the point we need probably 4 or 5 signings just to maintain the squad depth we had earlier this season..when it was already thin by Prem standards. It is very much a make or break window and our relative inaction and frugality in past windows could be coming back to bite us now.

People have been saying the same thing for the past goodness knows how many windows but look just where the team is! It's never make or break.

[Long Time Lurker]

I blame Ashley Westwood for the article.

We all know Westy is a keen gardener and he has obviously manipulated the Gaffer into blagging him some free stuff for his garden.

Watch out for tomorrows article when Sean tells everybody we aren't mugs and the secret to a good cup run is allowing things to simmer and brew in the transfer market if you want to ensure the best blend for the squad.

[Firthy]

Something said in jest that doesn’t translate into the written word very well. People need to calm down and stop taking things so literally.

Exactly my thoughts. The comments all look a bit tongue i cheek to me and if it ruffles a few feathers with our chairmen and the board, all the better because we definitely need to improve our squad before next season.

[Leisure]

Mr Garlick has nothing in mind but the interests of the club, he takes no salary for his troubles so is hardly 'looking after himself'.

MACCA has a thing about Mr Garlick!

[MACCA]

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Further up you just said that Mr Garlick was ONLY looking after HIS interests.

Oh he's looking out for himself too.

I have Burnley's best interests at heart and want us to win every week.

Doesnt mean I dont make certain decisions that may also help me, make my life easier, or if x happens I stand to benefit.

Mike doesnt put his own money in to the club and why should he.
I only put in what I can afford and at my discretion.
Just because he gets a free day out every Saturday doesnt mean he cares any less than you or I. Obviously we have to pay for the privellidge so may not ne able to attend them as often as him.

[MACCA]

MACCA has a thing about Mr Garlick!

You're right Pete, we dont get on.

[JohnMac]

MACCA has a thing about Mr Garlick!
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a very unhealthy thing as well I would wager

[Chester Perry]

Great post...and our slide into Middlesboro like oblivion will begin shortly after Dyche closes the managers door behind him at Turf Moor

the only oblivion at Middlesbrough is Steve Gibson's daughter's trust fund - he has given the club an average of £400k a week in the last decade - his return 1 season in the top flight

[JohnMac]

You're right Pete, we dont get on.

Since he stopped providing you with favours?

[Somethingfishy]

People have been saying the same thing for the past goodness knows how many windows but look just where the team is! It's never make or break.

The point is we shouldn't be having to perform miracles time and time again. It is a badge of honour that we do do it against such limitations but we cannot go into a new season with the squad as thin as it is at the moment. We can get away with it for a few games at the end of a season where we were more or less safe before lockdown. If we have another poor window i think it might be the tipping point. The fact we are performing as we are is testament to the squad we have and the manager but the odds are stacked against us long term if we continue as we are.

[dansch]

You can't expect Dyche to carry on as it is regardless, I don't see where else he's gonna go at the moment anyway. Garlick must surely know what while a slight risk to give him more funds it would be far more risky to let him go which I can only see ending in imminent relegation.

[MACCA]

Mr Garlick has nothing in mind but the interests of the club, he takes no salary for his troubles so is hardly 'looking after himself'.

We can discuss this elsewhere

How many different areas have we neglected window after window praying we get lucky with no injuries etc?
How many times have we taken the cheap option, or option D or E to save a few quid?

Then whoop whoop we've made 20m profits this season, then the transfer windows approaching...
We are skint, no money, move a long.

We repeat it almost yearly, why?

[MACCA]

Since he stopped providing you with favours?

Even if we did go out for make up drinks, no doubt itd be my round every time, and I'm a peasant!

[scouseclaret]

Something said in jest that doesn’t translate into the written word very well. People need to calm down and stop taking things so literally.

I’m still waiting for Cricketfield to tell us what paper it was in. I haven’t seen it reported anywhere else (except maybe the first line of the quote). Highly unusual in this day and age...

[Gordaleman]

For what it's worth, I think that if Sean did say all those things, then he probably said them with a big smile on his face and half jokingly at least.

However, it is interesting that the video of the press conference doesn't currently appear to be available on Clarets Player. I wonder why?

[Leisure]

The point is we shouldn't be having to perform miracles time and time again. It is a badge of honour that we do do it against such limitations but we cannot go into a new season with the squad as thin as it is at the moment. We can get away with it for a few games at the end of a season where we were more or less safe before lockdown. If we have another poor window i think it might be the tipping point. The fact we are performing as we are is testament to the squad we have and the manager but the odds are stacked against us long term if we continue as we are.

The squad we have has taken us to 10th position and we're 3rd best on form since January'ish. With Brownhill looking like a good replacement for Hendrick, I don't see that the squad is too thin. Maybe 1 or 2 additions would help, as we're now starting to see lads coming through from the Academy and if we're not going to use them then there's little point in continuing with it (the Academy).

[JohnMac]

We can discuss this elsewhere

How many different areas have we neglected window after window praying we get lucky with no injuries etc?
How many times have we taken the cheap option, or option D or E to save a few quid?

Then whoop whoop we've made 20m profits this season, then the transfer windows approaching...
We are skint, no money, move a long.

We repeat it almost yearly, why?

Because the Club lives within it's means, simple really. Transfer budgets are necessary because of inflated fees and even more inflated salaries. A lot of football fans can't think beyond a weekly wage packet. Shelving out £20 million to appease fans, several hundred/thousand who will live in negative equity for the whole of their adult life isn't really a good business plan.

[Leisure]

Oh he's looking out for himself too.

You continue to make these vague inferences but you never provide any substance or detail. Why's that?

[cricketfieldclarets]

Something said in jest that doesn’t translate into the written word very well. People need to calm down and stop taking things so literally.

Perhaps that may be the case if he hadnt been similar in press conferences especially pre man city

[bfcmik]

I’m still waiting for Cricketfield to tell us what paper it was in. I haven’t seen it reported anywhere else (except maybe the first line of the quote). Highly unusual in this day and age...

Allegedly in The S*n. Shithole of a 'news'paper

[dsr]

However there's only 1 reason a businessman wants to keep regularly posting large profits...
Who wouldn't want to double their own worth should they be able to?

So if anyone were to suggest that we want profits so that if we get relegated it won't mean the death of the club, you would call out "liar - no businessman would ever want to have reserves in case the bad times come".?

[scouseclaret]

Perhaps that may be the case if he hadnt been similar in press conferences especially pre man city

Where is the cutting from?

[Grumps]

Where is the cutting from?

I've read it in the sun

[No Ney Never]

We repeat it almost yearly, why?

Maybe because its a formula that's taken us from the 4th division to the premier league under many different managers.

[dandeclaret]

So much drama over a jokey comment. Classic message board stuff.

[MACCA]

Because the Club lives within it's means, simple really. Transfer budgets are necessary because of inflated fees and even more inflated salaries. A lot of football fans can't think beyond a weekly wage packet. Shelving out £20 million to appease fans, several hundred/thousand who will live in negative equity for the whole of their adult life isn't really a good business plan.

No ones saying shell out 20m to appease fans.
Our greatest manager in 50 years is asking for the budget to be stretched not broken, that's all most of the fans are asking.
Or, rather than waste 10m+ on the Walter's and Wells cheap options, let's put that money into another transfer.

No one wants the club to go bust, but all the sounds that come out of that club is scrimp and scrape, we're skint etc.
They still have a premium phone line for the fans ffs.

If it was costing Mr Garlick £1 a time to call the place itd have been changed years ago.

I get some people who win the lottery might want to keep their Ford fiesta and council house, but at least put an air freshener in the Fiesta , and fix the leaking roof that's making 1 bedroom unusable...

If the match day facilities were top notch, you could forgive them for not spending, but the fact is it's a dump , and when dyche toddles off, we go down and start pleading poverty again, still the fans will be wading through water, standing in ****, and unable to wash their hands.

But it's ok Mike's chairs a comfy one, the free prawn butties are great so fcuk the rest of the fans, they arent needed anyway..

[MACCA]

Maybe because its a formula that's taken us from the 4th division to the premier league under many different managers.

I'll not bite, that's laughable bait.

[scouseclaret]

Allegedly in The S*n. Shithole of a 'news'paper

Ha! Wouldn’t be like them to add a little “embellishment”!

[JohnMac]

If the match day facilities were top notch, you could forgive them for not spending, but the fact is it's a dump , and when dyche toddles off, we go down and start pleading poverty again, still the fans will be wading through water, standing in ****, and unable to wash their hands.

But it's ok Mike's chairs a comfy one, the free prawn butties are great so fcuk the rest of the fans, they arent needed anyway..

I've sussed it now, you turned rouge after getting your new Adidas soaked in that bloody great puddle and spent £15 on the phone reporting it

[No Ney Never]

I'll not bite, that's laughable bait.

Ah go on, if you don't I'm going in the garden coz the Stoke Brentford game isn't entertaining.