Eddie gone

[Dinks]

Dyche could take us down and I'd blame the board for not investing. If Dyche leaves I'd blame the board. I'd support the club Dyche went to. I will follow him .

Stalker alert i really think someone should warn Dyche about this very troubled individual,thats a very worrying post.

[tiger76]

To be fair his record suggests that he would have got us promoted and then kept us in the Premier League but we would have conceded more goals !!

Possibly he could have, but Eddie never seemed settled at Burnley, and it wasn't exactly a great shock when he returned to his Bournemouth roots, sometimes managerial appointments don't work out for whatever reason, and that was the case with EH and Burnley.

Ultimately both clubs benefited from the decision, Bournemouth got promoted to the top flight under EH, and Burnley got SD and did the same, so it was a win/win for all concerned.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I wish him well in his career.

A leeds supporting relation of mine, is hoping that if Leeds need a new manager next year, they will get him. I have told them that they would have to move the club down south for this to be likely.

I used to enjoy the attacking side of his game but as others have alluded to, I couldn't stand knowing that we needed 2 goals to be in a game given the defensive frailties of his teams.

Given also what I have read about him destroying our youth set up, I think that is why there are people that have found him not to their taste.

Why would they have to move the club?

Are we completely ignoring the fact his mum had died and his wife was struggling with a newborn when he left here?

I'm going to wager life is different for him now so moving away from Bournemouth may not be such of an issue.

[TVC15]

Possibly he could have, but Eddie never seemed settled at Burnley, and it wasn't exactly a great shock when he returned to his Bournemouth roots, sometimes managerial appointments don't work out for whatever reason, and that was the case with EH and Burnley.

Ultimately both clubs benefited from the decision, Bournemouth got promoted to the top flight under EH, and Burnley got SD and did the same, so it was a win/win for all concerned.

Yep you are right there - think it was a case of wrong place at wrong time with what was happening with his family.
It’s a bit simplistic (and incorrect) to say he only did so well at Bournemouth and got them promoted because of the amount of money he got.
The big rise in their total wage bill has only really happened in the last 2 or 3 years. Prior to that when you look at their total wage bill in 2016 or 2017 they were similar to us at the bottom end of the table

[Mala591]

Dyche could take us down and I'd blame the board for not investing. If Dyche leaves I'd blame the board. I'd support the club Dyche went to. I will follow him .

A new world religion in the making?

Dycheism

[Stayingup]

For those who complain about the style of football under Sean Dyche this is a salutary esson. Be thankful for our superb manager who knows how to compete in the tough EPL

[Bosscat]

For those who complain about the style of football under Sean Dyche this is a salutary esson. Be thankful for our superb manager who knows how to compete in the tough EPL

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 8#p1336961

[Papabendi]

the people dissing eddie on here must have very high benchmarks for success in their lives.

[clarethomer]

Why would they have to move the club?

Are we completely ignoring the fact his mum had died and his wife was struggling with a newborn when he left here?

I'm going to wager life is different for him now so moving away from Bournemouth may not be such of an issue.

I'm not completely ignoring anything, I simply referenced that his time here was cut short because he was finding it difficult to live in the north so if that was anything to go by, then he may find Eddie not keen to come back again.

You make a good point in that time may have changed for him and his family.I don't know if his children now are established in the area and his wife needs the same support network. I would accept his mum's illness isn't the same issue.

It was only a tongue in cheek comment to them. I wasn't actually professing to know the inner workings and understanding of Eddie's life and situation today. I would have thought they would have kept their manager on promotion but apparently the inner workings of Leeds wouldn't necessarily mean this from what I was told.

[FactualFrank]

A new world religion in the making?

Dycheism

[Giftonsnoidea]

Can’t defend to save his life but would make a very good scout for someone esp with attack minded players

[dsr]

Dyche could take us down and I'd blame the board for not investing. If Dyche leaves I'd blame the board. I'd support the club Dyche went to. I will follow him .

See you.

[Giftonsnoidea]

And Michael Oliver's "watch not working" ...or whatever the issue was.

Crazy how VAR didn’t just say it’s over the line!

[bodge]

My thoughts are very much with Skipton Claret at this difficult time.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Crazy how VAR didn’t just say it’s over the line!

VAR isn't for goals, Hawkeye is

However the final decision is technically for the match day officials so it was human error not to give the goal.

[Giftonsnoidea]

VAR isn't for goals, Hawkeye is

However the final decision is technically for the match day officials so it was human error not to give the goal.

I know but surely any human can tell it was over the line if they saw the pictures

[Jakubclaret]

Yep you are right there - think it was a case of wrong place at wrong time with what was happening with his family.
It’s a bit simplistic (and incorrect) to say he only did so well at Bournemouth and got them promoted because of the amount of money he got.
The big rise in their total wage bill has only really happened in the last 2 or 3 years. Prior to that when you look at their total wage bill in 2016 or 2017 they were similar to us at the bottom end of the table

By that analysis it must also be as equally fair to state that without any money to spend it’s also impossible to know how well the team would have progressed with him at the helm, it’s probably more of a accurate way to judge EH.

[TVC15]

By that analysis it must also be as equally fair to state that without any money to spend it’s also impossible to know how well the team would have progressed with him at the helm, it’s probably more of a accurate way to judge EH.

You’ve lost me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I know but surely any human can tell it was over the line if they saw the pictures

Match officials didn't in real time, they made an error.

Fans want less tech, or some do and they're now complaining because a human failed...

[mdd2]

Personally I do not think Eddie would have done anything at our club as his success at Bmouth in this league and the Championship came from getting plenty to spend. He was unable to get us or Bmouth to defend EVER. We were heading to the bottom of the Championship under him and may have struggled to get to the magic 50 points-we had 11 from 10 games when he left and Sean's 33 games gave us 44 points.Also his personal situation in the autumn of 2012 would not have been conducive to success on the field of play and he was clearly happier back on the south coast where he was able to steer Bmouth to promotion into the Championship and then into the Premier league all within less than 3 full seasons. Many managers given that kind of money would not have done what Eddie Howe did-I think he could be very successful if he had a good defensive coach-not sure what Jason brings to the "table"

[Jakubclaret]

You’ve lost me.

Now why doesn’t that surprise me, basically you was saying EH achievements didn’t necessarily boil down to money spent (which I agree) by that reckoning it’s also fair to say had EH found himself in a position with relatively very little to spend it’s also impossible to say how well EH would have got on.

[Giftonsnoidea]

-not sure what Jason brings to the "table"

Great tan, muscles and a high five when someone scores, I did notice a lack of moisturiser on Eddies face recently, someone’s been reading this board !

[Devils_Advocate]

Personally I do not think Eddie would have done anything at our club as his success at Bmouth in this league and the Championship came from getting plenty to spend. He was unable to get us or Bmouth to defend EVER. We were heading to the bottom of the Championship under him and may have struggled to get to the magic 50 points-we had 11 from 10 games when he left and Sean's 33 games gave us 44 points.Also his personal situation in the autumn of 2012 would not have been conducive to success on the field of play and he was clearly happier back on the south coast where he was able to steer Bmouth to promotion into the Championship and then into the Premier league all within less than 3 full seasons. Many managers given that kind of money would not have done what Eddie Howe did-I think he could be very successful if he had a good defensive coach-not sure what Jason brings to the "table"

Id be interested to see the Bournemouth wage bill for 14/15 and how much their team cost in transfer fees compared to the wage bill and transfer costs of Burnley's title winning season in 15/16

Might be wrong but I would bet there wouldnt be too much difference between the two

[Royboyclaret]

Id be interested to see the Bournemouth wage bill for 14/15 and how much their team cost in transfer fees compared to the wage bill and transfer costs of Burnley's title winning season in 15/16

Might be wrong but I would bet there wouldnt be too much difference between the two

In terms of comparable Wage bills, Bournemouth's championship of '14/'15 was £29.6m compared to our £39.2m (£27.1m basic Wage bill plus £12.1m incentive bonuses) for our Championship win in '15/'16.

[Royboyclaret]

To emphasise the dramatic financial movement at Bournemouth in recent times, their Wage bill in League One in 2012 was £4.4m and the equivalent figure for 2019 was £112.5m.

Burnley figures for the same years were £17.1m and £86.6m.

[mdd2]

To emphasise the dramatic financial movement at Bournemouth in recent times, their Wage in League One in 2012 was £4.4m and the equivalent figure for 2019 was £112.5m.

Burnley figures for the same years were £17.1m and £86.6m.

And that was year three of parachute payments for us (season 12-13)

[Ashingtonclaret46]

We played 71 games in the Championship under Eddie and averaged 1.37 points per game
We played 21 games in the Championship under Brian Laws and averaged 1.48 points per game.

When Eddie took over we played 21 games and averaged 1.52 points per game.
His only full season we averaged 1.35 points per game and then, before he left, we had played 10 games and averaged 1.1points per game.
His problems off the field before he left must have been horrible to deal with and his mind could not have been on the job he had to do.
There are few things worse than being a fair distance away when a parent is dying.

[claretblue]

Bournemouth had to pay £4.75m to the Football League in July 2018 to settle a Financial Fair Play dispute arising from their promotion to the Premier League in 2014-15.

They had originally been expected to be fined £7.6m after accruing a loss of £38.3m as they won the Championship.

The EFL settled on the lower figure saying the club "did not make any deliberate attempt to infringe the rules or to deceive".

[Papabendi]

There's a simple test for Eddie Howe's time at Burnley which some people want to deny - if it was the total mess people think, we wouldn't have been in the Premier League within a season and a half. As good as Dyche is / was, he wouldn't have been able to achieve it without the base of players he inherited, not to mention equally and just as importantly the players Eddie got shut of who really needed to move on. There was an ugly culture at the club and also a drinking one.

Howe came in at a transitional time for the club and it's not his fault he followed the disaster that was Brian Laws. Unsurprisingly, results were not an overnight success. Nor is it his fault that a young age and still very raw, the board wanted him. The board would presumably have considered they were recruiting a manager in his early 30s with one club on his CV.

I couldn't stand the mood hoover Cotterill, but the same applies in terms of the base left behind too.

Just a shame some people can't be even handed.

[mdd2]

There are few things worse than being a fair distance away when a parent is dying.

More so for Eddie as it was a quick and unexpected illness I believe

[cricketfieldclarets]

Fair question, but there isn’t another club run like ours. We went down because we weren’t good enough, and the board of directors share that blame. I’m sure they are all smart enough to know that keeping the purse strings fairly tight contributed to us dropping back.

When was the last time a manager survived 1 relegation? Sure there will be one other than SD, so let’s just say from the PL....?

Brian laws.

Owen Coyle.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Why would they have to move the club?

Are we completely ignoring the fact his mum had died and his wife was struggling with a newborn when he left here?

I'm going to wager life is different for him now so moving away from Bournemouth may not be such of an issue.

No. No. No. he was paid good money to manage the mighty clarets. So life outside that doesn’t matter.

[cricketfieldclarets]

In terms of comparable Wage bills, Bournemouth's championship of '14/'15 was £29.6m compared to our £39.2m (£27.1m basic Wage bill plus £12.1m incentive bonuses) for our Championship win in '15/'16.

Don’t let those facts get in the way of bullshit peddled on here about Howe.

[TVC15]

Now why doesn’t that surprise me, basically you was saying EH achievements didn’t necessarily boil down to money spent (which I agree) by that reckoning it’s also fair to say had EH found himself in a position with relatively very little to spend it’s also impossible to say how well EH would have got on.

Ok weirdo - back off.
I never said that - I was saying they had similar wage budgets and the evidence suggests that given Howe got Bournemouth promoted he could have done the same with Burnley given more time.

Mind you your track record on evidence is a bit dodgy. You would probably believe Howe could win the Champions League with Crewe as there is NO evidence to suggest he can’t !

[TVC15]

In terms of comparable Wage bills, Bournemouth's championship of '14/'15 was £29.6m compared to our £39.2m (£27.1m basic Wage bill plus £12.1m incentive bonuses) for our Championship win in '15/'16.

Yes that was the period I was referring to - from memory we had very similar budgets to each other in 16/17.

It was a couple of years ago I think when Bournemouth saw a 40% plus rise in their wage bill one year. Last accounts the total wages were quite a bit over £100m and we know they gave Callum Wilson a £100k per week new contract last summer. The contract they gave Defoe was also new territory for them - I read they matched his existing contract with Sunderland which I know matched his Toronto contract - so that was £90k a week over 4 years at a Bournemouth at the back end of his career and he hardly played for them. That was a crazy deal.

[jrgbfc]

There's a simple test for Eddie Howe's time at Burnley which some people want to deny - if it was the total mess people think, we wouldn't have been in the Premier League within a season and a half. As good as Dyche is / was, he wouldn't have been able to achieve it without the base of players he inherited, not to mention equally and just as importantly the players Eddie got shut of who really needed to move on. There was an ugly culture at the club and also a drinking one.

Howe came in at a transitional time for the club and it's not his fault he followed the disaster that was Brian Laws. Unsurprisingly, results were not an overnight success. Nor is it his fault that a young age and still very raw, the board wanted him. The board would presumably have considered they were recruiting a manager in his early 30s with one club on his CV.

I couldn't stand the mood hoover Cotterill, but the same applies in terms of the base left behind too.

Just a shame some people can't be even handed.

Yeah he inherited a bit of a mess from Laws. Reading Clark Carlisle's book it was clear what a disaster things had become, with a lot of the senior players taking the **** basically.
Howe cleared out a lot of deadwood and bad attitudes as well as bringing in the likes of Ings, Trippier, Mee, Vokes and Shackell, laying the foundation for our first promotion under Dyche.

[Bfcboyo]

I'm genuinely shocked at some of the replies to my message . If Sean's reading this I'd expect him to want to leave with Hendrix now.

[Bfcboyo]

Both Celtic bound Sean and Jeff with all these disloyal supporters.

[Bfcboyo]

I'm sorry. This post genuinely makes my blood boil. I started supporting the club as a wee boy under the tenure of Bob Lord, John Jackson (granted that passed me by), Teasdale. I remember the darkest days and still went on and supported the lads.
Where we are at now is squarely down to Barry Kilby and Mike Garlick (JB too). We wouldn't be where we are but for them. Enjoy it while we can. It won't last forever and neither will SD's tenure. I'll support this club whatever is thrown our way. To suggest you'd support another club because a manager leaves is beyond belief after all the board has achieved on a modest budget.

I threw pies at teasdale.

Trump that.

Why are you so bothered me Jeff and Sean are off to Glasgow.

[Aclaret]

I'm genuinely shocked at some of the replies to my message . If Sean's reading this I'd expect him to want to leave with Hendrix now.

For the last time ITS HENDRICKSS

[Bfcboyo]

And the winner for Idiotic post of the year goes to....

Why not do the right thing and do an Eddie ..... and go now then boyo, you know you want to....

Come on don't be like that come with us we all float down here.

[Bfcboyo]

A new world religion in the making?

Dycheism

Are you in or what?

[Stayingup]

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 8#p1336961

Its a test. I often do this

I often get 8 and 9 on the Chase as well!!! Haha

Ok what was Eddies net spend what is SD's?

I suppose Chester will know but is he in lockdown?

[Jakubclaret]

Ok weirdo - back off.
I never said that - I was saying they had similar wage budgets and the evidence suggests that given Howe got Bournemouth promoted he could have done the same with Burnley given more time.

Mind you your track record on evidence is a bit dodgy. You would probably believe Howe could win the Champions League with Crewe as there is NO evidence to suggest he can’t !

That's a far fetched assumption I was actually agreeing with you to a certain degree, you seem blinkered regarding football & opposing opinions, my evidence is backed up by fact or strong supporting ideals, Howe ultimately failed despite other historical periods of success, no evidence suggests EH could have replicated SD acheivements, 2 peas different pod.

[TVC15]

That's a far fetched assumption I was actually agreeing with you to a certain degree, you seem blinkered regarding football & opposing opinions, my evidence is backed up by fact or strong supporting ideals, Howe ultimately failed despite other historical periods of success, no evidence suggests EH could have replicated SD acheivements, 2 peas different pod.

All managers ultimately fail.
Howe was the longest serving manager in the Premier League and the most successful manager in the history of Bournemouth.
I still ain’t got a clue what you are banging on about.
What evidence are you talking about ? Evidence of what ?

You really are a strange man.

[Jakubclaret]

All managers ultimately fail.
Howe was the longest serving manager in the Premier League and the most successful manager in the history of Bournemouth.
I still ain’t got a clue what you are banging on about.
What evidence are you talking about ? Evidence of what ?

You really are a strange man.

All managers ultimately fail? I'm not sure Alex Ferguson or other managers I can name agree with that bizarre statement. I'm not disputing Howes achievements whatsoever, I'm actually questioning would EH have been so successful without any money promoting his managerial career. Why are you so defensive when engaging & countering other posts & exploring alternative viewpoints???.

[TVC15]

All managers ultimately fail? I'm not sure Alex Ferguson or other managers I can name agree with that bizarre statement. I'm not disputing Howes achievements whatsoever, I'm actually questioning would EH have been so successful without any money promoting his managerial career. Why are you so defensive when engaging & countering other posts & exploring alternative viewpoints???.

Who said he had no money ?
Read the thread and the facts and figures already posted. The point being made was that the budgets and transfer spend between Burnley and Bournemouth was not that different a few years ago when Howe was having success. It’s only in the last couple of years that their wage bill has increased significantly.
Howe has already proven he can be successful on low budgets as when he took over Bournemouth and they were on the brink of getting relegated to the non league and he took them through the divisions.
You are questioning whether he would be successful “without any money promoting his managerial career” when that’s exactly what he was.

Like on so many threads you post on you make so little sense.

[Jakubclaret]

Who said he had no money ?
Read the thread and the facts and figures already posted. The point being made was that the budgets and transfer spend between Burnley and Bournemouth was not that different a few years ago when Howe was having success. It’s only in the last couple of years that their wage bill has increased significantly.
Howe has already proven he can be successful on low budgets as when he took over Bournemouth and they were on the brink of getting relegated to the non league and he took them through the divisions.
You are questioning whether he would be successful “without any money promoting his managerial career” when that’s exactly what he was.

Like on so many threads you post on you make so little sense.

Unlike you I'm exploring both scenarios & seeing things for what there are or to be more precise for what there were as past tense, it's only possible to judge EH career leading to the exit based on facts, & ultimately last season finishing at goodison park. How you define success without any financial assistance is debatable, yes he was more successful than some but not entirely not enough to save his job anyhowe pardon the pun. I'd also like to know how you perceive that all managers fail ultimately?

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Eddie's net spend on transfers since he went there in 2012 is £181 million and Sean's net spend in that same period is £60.71 million.
Figures provided just for comparison but interesting nonetheless.

[randomclaret2]

It was also mentioned on the radio today that the nett spend at Bournemouth over the last few seasons puts them in the top 20 biggest spenders in World football