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Ryan Fraser

Post by nyclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Being reported to have been offered a contract at Palace worth 50k a week. You’d think that would be within our range? Especially on a free as well. Would he be a good answer to our right midfield problems?

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:21 pm

Seem to recall some story about Arsenal showing interest during last season which had turned his head away from the plight of Bournemouth
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 pm

He actually went public around January and admitted he’d been so brassed off at not getting a move that he hadn’t been playing for the team. Cracking attitude that.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 pm
He actually went public around January and admitted he’d been so brassed off at not getting a move that he hadn’t been playing for the team. Cracking attitude that.
And for that reason we dont want Fraser anywhere near our club!

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:48 pm

We can't be having honesty in football.

He should of lied.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 pm
He actually went public around January and admitted he’d been so brassed off at not getting a move that he hadn’t been playing for the team. Cracking attitude that.
Danny Ings?

Oh sorry, he didn’t go public with it. ;)

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:33 pm

In fairness if you had to pick bones regarding player attitudes, you would be left with a very narrow selection especially factoring the finances in.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:34 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:49 pm
Danny Ings?

Oh sorry, he didn’t go public with it. ;)
Not for me. He had a strop at Sunderland when he had found out he wasn’t getting an early move to Liverpool but other than that it’s hard to find a reason to criticise him.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by bodge » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:37 pm

Fraser was heavily linked to Everton originally.

Zaha will undoubtedly be sold this Summer so no doubt he's in the frame as a replacement.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:44 pm

bodge wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:37 pm
Fraser was heavily linked to Everton originally.

Zaha will undoubtedly be sold this Summer so no doubt he's in the frame as a replacement.
Think there are trying for eze from QPR but I can see west ham possibly doing a deal with hugill as a makeweight, seems to be a popular rumour.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by littlemissclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 pm

And what a dreadful day that was at Sunderland!

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by the_fat_shearer » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 pm
He actually went public around January and admitted he’d been so brassed off at not getting a move that he hadn’t been playing for the team. Cracking attitude that.
You could see it in our game away at theirs. He was incredibly poor and so sub-par in comparison with what we've seen previously from him.

After seeing how little he tried for them this season I wouldn't want him at my club no matter which club I supported.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by NewClaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:09 pm

the_fat_shearer wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:58 pm
You could see it in our game away at theirs. He was incredibly poor and so sub-par in comparison with what we've seen previously from him.

After seeing how little he tried for them this season I wouldn't want him at my club no matter which club I supported.
This.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:09 pm

It is certainly the opinion of a lot of Bournmouth fans that he did not perform and really upset the apple cart when he didn't get away.
He just added to their problems.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:13 pm

Wee Fraser hasnt been the same since Tarkowski flattened him 😉
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Jenny55 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:13 pm

Sean wouldn’t touch him, even though he clearly has talent. This lad is not a team player as demonstrated before he left the Cherries.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by bobinho » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:39 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:48 pm
We can't be having honesty in football.

He should of lied.
No. He should've honoured his contract and respected his fellow professionals, his team mates. Fair enough he's been honest... but he's let everyone down, not least himself. There will be a time he reflects and accepts that.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by warksclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:45 pm

I think he has faded badly in the last 8-10 months and might now struggle to join a top club

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:49 pm

The point I was making CT (not aimed at you btw) was the fickle nature of some fans (whodathunkit).

Danny Ings throws a strop at not getting his move and is widely judged as being a great player for BFC. Tarkowski refused to train, as I recall, to agitate for his move to Burnley. Joey fell out with Rangers to a spectacular level.

Fraser does the same for Bournemouth and it’s a ‘wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole‘ mentality.

Tevez is the greatest similar example - One minute video’d on the golf course, agitating for a move and disowned by his club. The next a citeh hero when he comes back to win them the title. Hilarious.

Back to the subject - If Dyche wanted him, I’d be delighted to have him as a BFC player.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Targetman » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:02 pm

I had a 20 minute conversation with him 2-3 years ago in a Glasgow hotel. He said he could never play for Dyche because he didn't like his style of football.

I did though get the impression that he would play for anyone if the money was right.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Targetman » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:03 pm

I had a 20 minute conversation with him 2-3 years ago in a Glasgow hotel. He said he could never play for Dyche because he didn't like his style of football.

I did though get the impression that he would play for anyone if the money was right.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Targetman » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:03 pm

Dont know why that came up twice?

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:17 pm

Target man, I know a girl who said that......

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:51 pm

He's an unreliable player is Fraser. Great when he turns up, but that's not too regular.

Don't know about him not wanting Dyche, I doubt Dyche would be wanting him.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by dsr » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:48 pm
We can't be having honesty in football.

He should of lied.
I'm not sure that taking the money while not doing the job really counts as honest.
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by NewClaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:09 pm
It is certainly the opinion of a lot of Bournmouth fans that he did not perform and really upset the apple cart when he didn't get away.
He just added to their problems.
Entirely justifies our approach with Gibson.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:28 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm
Entirely justifies our approach with Gibson.
You could add Drinkwater into the mixer, so that's 2 within a relatively short space of time, granted Drinkwater being a loan was easier to offload, it comes in 3s due another bad apple to be fair.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by superdimitri » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:07 am

Wouldn't want him. Disgraceful doing what he did to Bournemouth.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:37 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:13 pm
Wee Fraser hasnt been the same since Tarkowski flattened him 😉
That was brutal though!

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:29 am

Flatters to deceive. He had one season of success at Bournemouth then got injured.
When he recovered he looked off the pace and clearly the way he treated Eddie isnt what we need in any of our signings.Interesting comparison with Drinky re attitude by a previous poster.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by BenWickes » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:35 am

Attitude aside, which has been at best unprofessional; at worst disgraceful. He's predominantly left sided and certainly no better than Taylor or McNeil. So no idea why we'd be interested when we have more pressing areas of the field that need improving.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:25 am

Liverpool and Arsenal were early mentions for being interested, then it was tied on he was going to Everton. Now it seems he has the choice of Palace or Fulham.

Be nice to think his attitude has played a part in this as well as amusing if he ends up on less money than he would have got at Bournemouth

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by dsr » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:17 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:25 am
Liverpool and Arsenal were early mentions for being interested, then it was tied on he was going to Everton. Now it seems he has the choice of Palace or Fulham.

Be nice to think his attitude has played a part in this as well as amusing if he ends up on less money than he would have got at Bournemouth
And, according to Bournemouth fans, he's been offered less by Palace than he was offered by Bournemouth 2 years ago.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:20 am

dsr wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:17 am
And, according to Bournemouth fans, he's been offered less by Palace than he was offered by Bournemouth 2 years ago.
Has he ? Good

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:37 am

90% of footballers (yes, i'm being kind) have no affiliation to any football club and are always looking for a bigger career move. It's very common that footballers don't want to play in games when it could scupper their move.
Even the tough as old boots Dean Marney and Arfield didn't want to go on the pitch for 10 minutes to say good bye to the fans when leaving.

I wouldn't get wound up about it.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:53 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:28 am
You could add Drinkwater into the mixer, so that's 2 within a relatively short space of time, granted Drinkwater being a loan was easier to offload, it comes in 3s due another bad apple to be fair.
Only way clubs begin to regain some control over player and agent power is if they form some moral codes not to sign players that act unprofessionally or run down contracts.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by mdd2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:21 am

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:53 am
Only way clubs begin to regain some control over player and agent power is if they form some moral codes not to sign players that act unprofessionally or run down contracts.
And that will be when Nelson climbs down from his column
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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:30 am

Darthlaw wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:49 pm
The point I was making CT (not aimed at you btw) was the fickle nature of some fans (whodathunkit).

Danny Ings throws a strop at not getting his move and is widely judged as being a great player for BFC. Tarkowski refused to train, as I recall, to agitate for his move to Burnley. Joey fell out with Rangers to a spectacular level.

Fraser does the same for Bournemouth and it’s a ‘wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole‘ mentality.

Tevez is the greatest similar example - One minute video’d on the golf course, agitating for a move and disowned by his club. The next a citeh hero when he comes back to win them the title. Hilarious.

Back to the subject - If Dyche wanted him, I’d be delighted to have him as a BFC player.
Not aware of Tarkowski ever refusing to train although he didn't play against us because of the problems he was having getting his move, a move that Brentford had promised him so he could get back to the NW closer to his mum. Ings had one bad day at Sunderland and I think the problem at Rangers was more them not being able to deal with Joey.

Fraser came out and said he'd not been playing for the team for the previous six months - something very different.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:53 am
Only way clubs begin to regain some control over player and agent power is if they form some moral codes not to sign players that act unprofessionally or run down contracts.
I understand what you are saying but most of the time things usually start off sweet & then turn sour & sometimes with no warning or indication what will happen, some clubs wanting a bargain would chance signing a loose cannon anyway hoping the gamble pays off.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by Firthy » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:32 am

And another post about a player we won't be signing !

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:34 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:21 am
And that will be when Nelson climbs down from his column
I didn’t say it will ever happen, but I won’t have any sympathy for clubs until they do try to wrestle back some control. With all the various PL meetings they hold, votes they have, etc, you would imagine it’s possible.

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Re: Ryan Fraser

Post by TommyJohnson » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:49 am

Would be a perfect signing for us. Just what we need and would fit in perfect with the lads.

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