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Is this still a true statement ??

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:38 am

We are due to start our 6th premiership season within the last 7 years and the 3 promoted clubs Leeds, West Brom and Fulham would still have the financial clout over us ? even the clout to take our better players ?

Not sure about last one Tarks, Popey and McNeill ?

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:51 am

Not sure about financial clout. Potentially a bigger draw given they are all big city clubs. Fulham aside, larger fan bases. Financially they are probably just less risk averse.

No point moaning about that though - we can still be successful, as we’ve proven, and we’ll become a more attractive proposition the more successful we become.

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Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:56 am

Surely were better off than all 3

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Post by claret2018 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:57 am

Fulham definitely, the appeal of living in London can’t be underestimated
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Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:59 am

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:57 am
Fulham definitely, the appeal of living in London can’t be underestimated
I’d rather live on the moon than live in London.
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:00 am

BurnleyFC wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:59 am
I’d rather live on the moon than live in London.
Tim will be after you now.
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Post by ChrisG » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:02 am

Always makes me chuckle when folk insinuate that clubs in cities are a bigger draw as 'why would they want to live in Burnley'.

It's almost as if all our players have it written in their contract that they have to live up Stoops.

The bigger fan base thing I get, and they probably will get better wages, but I reckon that 90% if not all of the squad live in the Manchester area.
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Post by claretandy » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:14 am

s6t9a2f3f wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:38 am
We are due to start our 6th premiership season within the last 7 years and the 3 promoted clubs Leeds, West Brom and Fulham would still have the financial clout over us ? even the clout to take our better players ?

Not sure about last one Tarks, Popey and McNeill ?
The only teams taking our best players are top 6 sides.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:18 am

Fulham have the money, as do Leeds.
Dunno about WBA.

The current advantage we have are our manager, duration in the PL and stability.

Yes I know Leeds' manager is highly regarded by people Inc Pep, but he's still got a job on his hands to keep Leeds in the PL just like any other manager.

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Post by dibraidio » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:25 am

They may have the advantage of offering bigger wages and higher transfer fees because they have richer/less prudent owners but I think Sean has said many times, we don't need to sell so as a club teams like Leeds would have to pay a pretty penny for any of our better players.

I can't see a first team regular wanting to go any play for a newly promoted club with the exception of a keeper who wants first team footy. :D

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Post by claret2018 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:27 am

ChrisG wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:02 am
Always makes me chuckle when folk insinuate that clubs in cities are a bigger draw as 'why would they want to live in Burnley'.

It's almost as if all our players have it written in their contract that they have to live up Stoops.

The bigger fan base thing I get, and they probably will get better wages, but I reckon that 90% if not all of the squad live in the Manchester area.
I get this, but the draw of London will be a factor for young men with a lot of money. I know where I'd choose.

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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:28 am

This might be true for our immediate future, but with time comes the sale and then avalanche investment followed by sustainable income model.

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Post by BertiesBeehole » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:48 am

Definitely False

It’s the Premier League
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Post by BenWickes » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:28 am
This might be true for our immediate future, but with time comes the sale and then avalanche investment followed by sustainable income model.
I assume you're referring to our impending takeover/investment which you seem sure is going ahead?

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Post by Spijed » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:26 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:27 am
I get this, but the draw of London will be a factor for young men with a lot of money. I know where I'd choose.
That's not true otherwise Man City would never be able to persuade the best young talent to join them over Arsenal or Spurs.

I doubt London has any draw when Liverpool, Man U. or Man City are interested.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:34 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:26 pm
That's not true otherwise Man City would never be able to persuade the best young talent to join them over Arsenal or Spurs.

I doubt London has any draw when Liverpool, Man U. or Man City are interested.
A number of our players live in Cheshire if I recall, after reading about the minibus they come together in with Ashley Barnes etc.

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Post by claret2018 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:44 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:26 pm
That's not true otherwise Man City would never be able to persuade the best young talent to join them over Arsenal or Spurs.

I doubt London has any draw when Liverpool, Man U. or Man City are interested.
Of course, but we aren't a big team that 99.9% of players would jump at the chance to join. Man city can throw the cheque-book at players to persuade them to sign, as can Utd, and Liverpool are the PL champions.

If I was 21, and was offered £35k a week at either Fulham or Burnley, I'd choose Fulham in a heartbeat. And I support Burnley.
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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:56 pm

I am reasonably sure that London clubs don't have players living in Tower Hamlets or Liverpool/Everton do not have players living in Toxteth or Man City/Utd do not have players living on Moss Side. Equally I am also fairly sure that when players arrive in Burnley they don't believe that they will be living on Stoops estate.
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Post by firstclaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:56 pm

More strip clubs in London

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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:21 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm
I assume you're referring to our impending takeover/investment which you seem sure is going ahead?
I am referring to it. I am sure there’s news coming in the near future that will cheer even the most ardent Royston Vasey turfites.
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Post by Zlatan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:23 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:44 pm
Of course, but we aren't a big team that 99.9% of players would jump at the chance to join. Man city can throw the cheque-book at players to persuade them to sign, as can Utd, and Liverpool are the PL champions.

If I was 21, and was offered £35k a week at either Fulham or Burnley, I'd choose Fulham in a heartbeat. And I support Burnley.
then you'd be mad

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:01 pm

s6t9a2f3f wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:38 am
We are due to start our 6th premiership season within the last 7 years and the 3 promoted clubs Leeds, West Brom and Fulham would still have the financial clout over us ? even the clout to take our better players ?

Not sure about last one Tarks, Popey and McNeill ?
Depends what you mean by financial clout -

Do I expect them to/be able to spend more on transfers than us = yes
Can they afford a significant uplift in the wage bill = yes
Can they afford an uplift in amortisation = yes
Is this because they are starting from a lower base = yes
Are they owned by billionaires = yes Leeds and Fulham (not sure about West Brom
Do they run a similar financial model to Burnley = No

Fulham and maybe Leeds (if their minor shareholders dig deep - they are facing promotion costs in excess of £50m) could spend big enough to meet our valuations of Tarks. Pope and McNeil

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Post by BenWickes » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:42 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:21 pm
... will cheer even the most ardent Royston Vasey turfites.
Oh we have a few of them :lol:
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Post by Paul Waine » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:50 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:56 pm
I am reasonably sure that London clubs don't have players living in Tower Hamlets or Liverpool/Everton do not have players living in Toxteth or Man City/Utd do not have players living on Moss Side. Equally I am also fairly sure that when players arrive in Burnley they don't believe that they will be living on Stoops estate.
I used to live on Princess Road in Moss Side, 40+ years ago, now. I always had to move my car when City were playing at Maine Road. :(

I met my wife when we had our "house warming" party. :) :D :D

When we moved out they knocked the house down so they could build the dual carriage way. I think it's just a grassy knoll, now. ;)

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Post by ChrisG » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:07 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:50 pm
I used to live on Princess Road in Moss Side, 40+ years ago, now. I always had to move my car when City were playing at Maine Road. :(

I met my wife when we had our "house warming" party. :) :D :D

When we moved out they knocked the house down so they could build the dual carriage way. I think it's just a grassy knoll, now. ;)
Drive past that almost daily, well, I used to back in the days of actually going into the office.

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Post by dougcollins » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:11 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:56 pm
I am reasonably sure that London clubs don't have players living in Tower Hamlets or Liverpool/Everton do not have players living in Toxteth or Man City/Utd do not have players living on Moss Side. Equally I am also fairly sure that when players arrive in Burnley they don't believe that they will be living on Stoops estate.


Unless they want to.

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:40 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:34 pm
A number of our players live in Cheshire if I recall, after reading about the minibus they come together in with Ashley Barnes etc.
It's nice over there and easy to get into Manchester......the wives/Girlfriends like to spend money!
Bowden and Altrincham etc....can't blame them really, Burnley and surrounds have very little appeal.

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Post by tim_noone » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:00 am
Tim will be after you now.
Yes.... just logged on and saw "that" Silly post.

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Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:17 pm

I'd be surprised if we can't compete with West Brom in the market, Fulham and Leeds will spend, but that doesn't guarantee success as history shows.

If McNeil, Pope or Tarks do move on they'll certainly be aiming for bigger fish than those teams that's for sure.

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Post by tim_noone » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:19 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:17 pm
I'd be surprised if we can't compete with West Brom in the market, Fulham and Leeds will spend, but that doesn't guarantee success as history shows.

If McNeil, Pope or Tarks do move on they'll certainly be aiming for bigger fish than those teams that's for sure.
Leeds are massive.

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Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:25 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:19 pm
Leeds are massive.
In their own minds yes, we'll see how massive they are in a few weeks.

And if they're so massive how come they've been squatting in the lower leagues for 16 years?

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Post by tim_noone » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:25 pm
In their own minds yes, we'll see how massive they are in a few weeks.

And if they're so massive how come they've been squatting in the lower leagues for 16 years?
Tongue in cheek.... though I feel Fulham or/and Leeds would gain more investment than Burnley. And they seem to have unearthed a Nugget in Biesla? Who could attract some world class players possibly?

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Post by Tribesmen » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:40 am

Do any of the first team player live in Burnley ?

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:45 am

Tribesmen wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:40 am
Do any of the first team player live in Burnley ?
Jay Rodriguez ...maybe the nearest. Possibly?

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Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:49 am

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:19 pm
Leeds are massive.
Absolutely, legends in their own lunchtime!
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Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:11 am

It's true that this year the 3 promoted clubs come up with a high degree of spending power (which isn't always the case) but what you have to take into account is that yes, they could probably shell out the cash to pay for one of our "jewels" and yes, in terms of living in or around London say, that lure may be great, but ultimately many clubs have come up with a big budget and spent big and no way does that give them an automatic right not to be fighting relegation come Christmas. Because frequently they are. Players know this and if our jewels want the best chance of playing PL football for the coming seasons, then they are better staying put. That will count for an awful lot.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:15 am

I’ve heard our staff start out in Manchester / Cheshire but end up buying places in Barley, Pendleton, and the like. Any truth?

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Post by Erasmus » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:03 am

West Brom also have a billionaire Chinese owner. I'm not sure how much he is willing to give them though.

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Post by claret2018 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:29 am

tim_noone wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:45 am
Jay Rodriguez ...maybe the nearest. Possibly?
Waddington

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:23 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:29 am
Waddington
Would that be Avenue?
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Post by superdimitri » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:43 pm

I bet Ozil wished he lived outside of London after his political fiasco.

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Post by bobinho » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:49 am

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:44 pm
Of course, but we aren't a big team that 99.9% of players would jump at the chance to join. Man city can throw the cheque-book at players to persuade them to sign, as can Utd, and Liverpool are the PL champions.

If I was 21, and was offered £35k a week at either Fulham or Burnley, I'd choose Fulham in a heartbeat. And I support Burnley.
No, you don’t.

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Post by bobinho » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:52 am

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Tongue in cheek.... though I feel Fulham or/and Leeds would gain more investment than Burnley. And they seem to have unearthed a Nugget in Biesla? Who could attract some world class players possibly?
World class players demand world class wages and world class transfer fees/signing on fees.

Let’s hope leeds havent learned a damn thing...

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Post by BenWickes » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:22 am

You'd think Fulham learned from their previous relegation season. They certainly have a wealthy owner and a more savvy manager than last time. WBA I am not so sure they're going to splash too much in the current crisis and they're not a so called 'fashionable' club. Leeds are certainly more likely to do a Villa. Big club, fans will almost expect/demand big signings. They have a wealthy owner but he isn't that wealthy in the big scheme of things. They certainly don't have the capability to start splashing huge transfer fees on world class players. They have already intimated they want to bring in some ageing players who used to be world class but big name signings may just paper over the cracks and temporarily appease fans. I think the pressure/demand for instant success will be on Leeds. No doubt their fans think they're back where they belong and will be almost expecting to waltz through the PL like they did the Championship. If they chop and change that squad too much and get off to a bad start I can see it all unravelling before their eyes. I have a funny feeling Leeds fans expectations will meet reality and they'll struggle.

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