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ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by TommyJohnson » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:56 pm

Your not fit enough to lace Chris Waddles boots

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:02 pm

The only salvation that season was that we avoided relegation, but it wasn't a good season in anyone's book, and it can't have surprised anybody that Waddle's stay at TM was brief. Also I'm pretty sure he's not managed since, and this tells you everything you need to know, sometimes great players don't always become great managers, and this is certainly the case with Waddle.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:06 pm

As bad as we were, I seem to remember the last few weeks of that season being pretty exciting? Some big wins at home and the last minute win at Deepdale?

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:09 pm

I don't think Waddle could come to terms with the fact that the players at his disposal weren't as good as he was.

Also, anyone who thought Mark Winstanley was good enough on the ball to play wing-back had no future as a manager.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:09 pm

The optimism at the start of the season soon faded.

He really was dreadful. As I said on the other thread, thank goodness for Little and Payton.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by HahaYeah » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:13 pm

Incredible cringe when at the press conference FT introduced Waddle as Chris Hoddle then tried to pass it off as a joke. :oops:

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:15 pm

Always comes across as a decent bloke and was an absolutely brilliant footballer, but getting a team with Cooke, Payton, Little and Weller in it relegated to the 4th Division would have been some achievement.

Mentioned it before but someone I know who was on the books at Huddersfield at the time told me about the petty training ground bust up between Payton and Jackson which led to him being 'swapped' the next week. As much good luck as a masterstroke.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Rowls » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:16 pm

Plenty more cringe moments on the pitch as the season unfolded and collapsed before our very eyes.

From memory I think we failed to score for the first 5 games and it was October before we even took the lead in a league game.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:17 pm

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:09 pm
I don't think Waddle could come to terms with the fact that the players at his disposal weren't as good as he was.

Jimmy Mac used to say that he couldn't manage because of that.

It was an awful season but the style of football was good and things improved as we went on with 28 points won from the last 19 games. We were looking a decent side at the end and who knows what would have happened had he stayed. But the proof is in the pudding, he never went into football management again although I'm told he proved to be an excellent academy coach at Sheffield Wednesday.

Always came across as quite shy to me which is probably not what you need from a football manager. He was certainly a lot quieter than the one who followed him.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:06 pm
As bad as we were, I seem to remember the last few weeks of that season being pretty exciting? Some big wins at home and the last minute win at Deepdale?
Neil Moore with a last minute header if i remember correctly. Think we were all stood on the terrace opposite to where the Tom Finney stand is now.

Didn't Cooke get over 20 goals this season too? Whatever it was, remember it being a very good return for someone in a relegation threatened team
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:32 pm

when he played himself for us, his ability shone through. So easy on the ball. A great footballer.
just a pity the managerial side was not his strong point.
It was like watching someone playing against amateurs, his class stood out a mile.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:41 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:26 pm
Neil Moore with a last minute header if i remember correctly. Think we were all stood on the terrace opposite to where the Tom Finney stand is now.

Didn't Cooke get over 20 goals this season too? Whatever it was, remember it being a very good return for someone in a relegation threatened team
Cooke kept us up almost single-handed that season, and he delivered a crucial brace when it mattered in the Plymouth game, it was a bizarre season because after Xmas we did start performing far better, but we were still lucky to avoid the drop.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:51 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:16 pm
Plenty more cringe moments on the pitch as the season unfolded and collapsed before our very eyes.

From memory I think we failed to score for the first 5 games and it was October before we even took the lead in a league game.
We failed to find the net in our first 6 games, then we took the lead at York but ended up losing 3-1, we finally got our first win at home to Carlisle on the 11 October, before finishing the season strongly to just keep our heads above water.

An interesting aside I noticed glancing through the results, we drew 2-2 with Bournemouth in October that season, the scorers included Waddle for us, and a certain Howe for Bournemouth, that'll be a good quiz question in years to come. ;)
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:54 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:51 pm
We failed to find the net in our first 6 games, then we took the lead at York but ended up losing 3-1, we finally got our first win at home to Carlisle on the 11 October, before finishing the season strongly to just keep our heads above water.

An interesting aside I noticed glancing through the results, we drew 2-2 with Bournemouth in October that season, the scorers included Waddle for us, and a certain Howe for Bournemouth, that'll be a good quiz question in years to come. ;)
Waddle's only goal for Burnley, Howe's first goal for Bournemouth and Mike Dean's first Burnley game as a referee.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:54 pm
Waddle's only goal for Burnley, Howe's first goal for Bournemouth and Mike Dean's first Burnley game as a referee.
Yes Waddle played 36 games that season, i didn't realise he'd played that much, perhaps that was part of the problem, player/managers rarely work in the modern game, I didn't know it was Eddie's first goal for Bournemouth, but then he was only 19 at the time, blimey has Mike Dean been reffing for that long.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:05 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:41 pm
Cooke kept us up almost single-handed that season, and he delivered a crucial brace when it mattered in the Plymouth game, it was a bizarre season because after Xmas we did start performing far better, but we were still lucky to avoid the drop.
No way did Cooke keep us up anywhere near close to single-handedly

Little - excellent once he got into the team
Matthew & Weller were excellent

and then those four successive Saturdays when we beat Grimsby, Northampton, Bristol City and Fulham with Payton getting the winner each time.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:05 pm


Little - excellent once he got into the team
Matthew & Weller were excellent

Shame for Weller, didn't he suffer a serious injury at some point? I thought he could have gone on to a higher level. Matthew as well. I thought he was better than some gave him credit for.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:10 pm

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Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:08 pm
Shame for Weller, didn't he suffer a serious injury at some point? I thought he could have gone on to a higher level. Matthew as well. I thought he was better than some gave him credit for.
Waddle thought a lot about Weller and he told me at some function that he should be playing in the Premier League and that he would do. What we didn't know is that Paul was seriously struggling at the end of that season with his bowel problem. Looking back now it is miraculous that he was even playing at all. He missed virtually the whole of the next season and hardly played in the following season. I thought him and Matthew were key players for us in the second half of that season. Weller was a very good player.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:05 pm
No way did Cooke keep us up anywhere near close to single-handedly

Little - excellent once he got into the team
Matthew & Weller were excellent

and then those four successive Saturdays when we beat Grimsby, Northampton, Bristol City and Fulham with Payton getting the winner each time.
Fair enough, but it's safe to say Andy Cooke played a major role in our survival fight, it's bizarre that we had him and Payts, who were arguably amongst the top strikers in the division, and yet we still nearly went down, we had the basis of a decent side, but we were solely lacking in some positions, i guess that was the problem, if you're relying on the same few individuals to produce week in week out, you're going to struggle sometimes as we did.

It was vital that we did stay up that season, as ever since it's been an upward curve, albeit with the odd blip, if we'd have gone back down to the 4th tier, the recovery would have been all the tougher, look at the 80's as prove of that, we took 7 years just to escape the bottom tier, and it's not impossible we could have been marooned among the dead men for several seasons again. Thankfully that proved not to be the outcome, and the rest is history as they say.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:10 pm
Waddle thought a lot about Weller and he told me at some function that he should be playing in the Premier League and that he would do. What we didn't know is that Paul was seriously struggling at the end of that season with his bowel problem. Looking back now it is miraculous that he was even playing at all. He missed virtually the whole of the next season and hardly played in the following season. I thought him and Matthew were key players for us in the second half of that season. Weller was a very good player.
Ah! Didn't know about the bowel problem. Yes. I really rated him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Rowls » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:31 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:23 pm
... we were solely lacking in some positions, i guess that was the problem, ...
That's not the opinion of the management team who followed.

Rarely have I heard such disdain expressed for a lack of professionalism as I heard from a member of the team that replaced Waddle. It was a castigating of top-to-bottom failures that amounted to gross negligence and disregard for any semblance of professionalism.

The club, from a footballing perspective, were a shambles when Waddle departed. The players weren't even fit.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:45 pm

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The club, from a footballing perspective, were a shambles when Waddle departed. The players weren't even fit.
And then the chairman was negligent in not getting contract offers out when he should and several players were able to walk out on frees and did so.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:45 pm
And then the chairman was negligent in not getting contract offers out when he should and several players were able to walk out on frees and did so.
Damien Matthew being one I'd guess.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:53 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:52 pm
Damien Matthew being one I'd guess.
Matthew, Hoyland, Harrison & Vinnicombe

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:10 pm
Waddle thought a lot about Weller and he told me at some function that he should be playing in the Premier League and that he would do. What we didn't know is that Paul was seriously struggling at the end of that season with his bowel problem. Looking back now it is miraculous that he was even playing at all. He missed virtually the whole of the next season and hardly played in the following season. I thought him and Matthew were key players for us in the second half of that season. Weller was a very good player.
When Weller made his debut for us did we also have another youth player paired with him as full back? They might have made their debuts together. Can't remember his name

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:21 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:16 pm
When Weller made his debut for us did we also have another youth player paired with him as full back? They might have made their debuts together. Can't remember his name
My initial thought was 'Smudge' but they both made their debut's before Waddle. I am sure Weller played full-back behind Smith on the left on at least one occasion.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Weller played right back in 2000/01 under Stan but can't recall him playing full back before that.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:41 pm

Only other one I can think of is Wayne Dowell?!

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:59 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:41 pm
Only other one I can think of is Wayne Dowell?!
Did Chris Brass ever play right back? Apart from him Dowell is the only other young player i can think of. Maybe I'm just totally misrembering. Or as you said he played with Smith

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Post by BenWickes » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:08 pm

I could throw John Borland in there. I just have it in my head Weller played full back behind Smith because I remember saying to my Dad 'Why the hell is Weller playing full back?'. However, plausible I am totally misremembering too.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:22 pm
Weller played right back in 2000/01 under Stan but can't recall him playing full back before that.
Wing-back, perhaps on occasions?

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Post by fidelcastro » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:11 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:59 pm
Did Chris Brass ever play right back? Apart from him Dowell is the only other young player i can think of. Maybe I'm just totally misrembering. Or as you said he played with Smith
Brass was a right-back, wasn't he?

Although I seem to remember him winning our player of the season one year, when he played on the right of a back three.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by groove » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:20 pm

I think Brass was a right back. I remember him being on the same side of the pitch as us in the Pavilion end at Deepdale I'm the game mentioned earlier in the thread. Kurt Nogan was playing for Preston and got dog's abuse all game from our end.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by k90bfc » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:28 pm

Remember coming out the Miners,dancing in the street,ANDY COOKE,ANDY ANDY COOKE,WHEN HE GETS THE BALL HE SCORES A GOAL,ANDY ANDY COOKE !

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:58 pm

k90bfc wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:28 pm
Remember coming out the Miners,dancing in the street,ANDY COOKE,ANDY ANDY COOKE,WHEN HE GETS THE BALL HE SCORES A GOAL,ANDY ANDY COOKE !
That chant worked a lot better with Andy Cole didn’t it!

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Grumps » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:54 pm
Waddle's only goal for Burnley, Howe's first goal for Bournemouth and Mike Dean's first Burnley game as a referee.
Dean's had more to do with Burnley's success since then than either of the other two :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:09 pm

Grumps wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:02 pm
Dean's had more to do with Burnley's success since then than either of the other two :lol: :lol: :lol:
Probably :D

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Fretters » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:02 am

Another rabbit Waddle pulled out of the hat that year was Gerry Creaney on loan. Was it something like 10 goals in 12 games?

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by bfcjg » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:09 am

Stan claimed he advised Waddle to play Little, one of the strangest decisions ever when Waddle dropped him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:13 pm

It was Andy Cooke who clinched our final game win v Argyle .Waddle wasn't even encouraging the team .In his head he had already left

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:16 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:09 am
Stan claimed he advised Waddle to play Little, one of the strangest decisions ever when Waddle dropped him.
Waddle never dropped him. He hadn't been in the side in the previous season and he only got sub appearances until January of the Waddle season when he got in the side. Strangely, no one dropped and left out Little more than Stan.
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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:17 pm

Fretters wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:02 am
Another rabbit Waddle pulled out of the hat that year was Gerry Creaney on loan. Was it something like 10 goals in 12 games?
And unfortunately he did too well for us so City recalled him just when we thought we might be able to keep him for the full season.

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Re: ARTICLE: Chris Waddle – July 1997 to May 1998

Post by bfcjg » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:16 pm
Waddle never dropped him. He hadn't been in the side in the previous season and he only got sub appearances until January of the Waddle season when he got in the side. Strangely, no one dropped and left out Little more than Stan.
Thanks Tony, surprising how time clouds your memory, I thought I had read in Stans autobiography that he advised him.

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