England vs Pakistan 3rd test (Southampton)

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:55 pm

He is a remarkable athlete, not sure how he compares (age) with other test fast bowlers but few if any would have played as long as Sir James. When will be get the knighthood he deserves?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:03 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:46 pm
I doubt he will tour this winter and next season he will be 39 on July 30th. Even playing as a Test fast bowler beyond 35 is an achievement, will the ECB want to play someone who will be unlikely to Tour Oz in 2021 and be nearing 40 by the time the tour finishes at the end of January 2022?

Well the talk from the ECB at the start of this summer, was that they were going to give Archer and Wood a good run, to prepare for the Ashes tour in around 18 months, but that's been swiftly reversed, and in English conditions how can they justify leaving Anderson and Broad out, they've both been lethal this summer, and you can bet your bottom dollar touring teams will hate facing them in England.

I do agree it's unlikely Jimmy will tour this winter, mainly due to the venues England are visiting, but when he's bowling like this it'll take a brave man to drop him.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:47 pm

A wicket for Bess, so Jimmy can't take all 10 now, what a spoilsport.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:17 pm

Partial recovery from Pakistan 158-5 at tea, the captain closing in on a ton, he's batted really well in the situation, and at least Pakistan have shown some fight this afternoon, it looked like they might get rolled over easily, but they've fought back well in that session, Jimmy still waits for his 600.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:23 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:17 pm
Partial recovery from Pakistan 158-5 at tea, the captain closing in on a ton, he's batted really well in the situation, and at least Pakistan have shown some fight this afternoon, it looked like they might get rolled over easily, but they've fought back well in that session, Jimmy still waits for his 600.

How far off 600 is he?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:27 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:23 pm
How far off 600 is he?

On 597 needing three with hopefully another 15 Pakistan wickets to bowl at between now and Tuesday

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:23 pm
How far off 600 is he?

The Burnley Express needs another 3 to reach the milestone. But there's still another 15 available in this match alone. so he'll be hopeful of bagging a few more yet over the next couple of days.

Mind you he's off the pitch ATM, so he won't be bowling for a while. I guess he'll get the new ball later this evening, and that could provide England with some breakthroughs.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:14 pm

Great captains knock for Azhar Ali 103no

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:16 pm

100 for Azhar, 50 for Rizwan, this has been a very good partnership for Pakistan, and it's given them a slim chance of batting out a draw, 210-5 but the new ball is only 7 overs away, and that should be England's best hope of nipping a few out.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:43 pm

Woakes again claiming a crucial wicket, he's so underrated in English conditions 226-6, great catch from Jos down the legside, he's a different man now he's scoring runs, shows how confidence plays an integral part in this game, exactly what England needed before the new ball.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:16 pm

8 down now another for Broad.

What a catch from Buttler. Like a flying frog.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:17 pm

What a great catch by Buttler, his previous one wasn't bad either. His keeping has been very good this match, plus a big hundred. Should he still dropped though?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:23 pm

That should have been another wicket for Anderson. Burns dropped Azhar on 120.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:24 pm

And two balls later, Crawley drops one off Anderson.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:24 pm

Burns drops slip catch off Jimmy......would have useful for Jimmy in particular. As I type, Crawley drops a dolly in he slips off Jimmy.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:30 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:17 pm
What a great catch by Buttler, his previous one wasn't bad either. His keeping has been very good this match, plus a big hundred. Should he still dropped though?

No not now even with his innings in the 1st test I thought this would be his last series but he's played brilliantly this test match and think he's England's top run scorer in the series maybe 2nd behind Crawley
He'll be back next tour

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:33 pm

Cbt, my comment was tongue in cheek, bearing in mind some comments about Buttler on here recently.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:35 pm

Jimmy dropped again by Broad. ffs!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:35 pm

Now Broad drops a dolly off Anderson but we’ve got a run out.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:38 pm

On the subject of Buttler - just shows what confidence can do. Looks a different wicket keeper than the one we saw at Old Trafford.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:38 pm

The catching coach for England needs sacking.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:42 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:38 pm
The catching coach for England needs sacking.

All should have been taking but the last one from Broad was downright shocking.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:45 pm

If England go on to win and Jimmy gets to 600 it will be an interesting man of the match debate
Crawley,Anderson or Butler probably in that order though

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:57 pm

Thank God they held on to that one. Jimmy gets his five-fer and is two off 600. England enforce the follow on.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:10 pm

What a surprise they've gone off for bad light, Jimmy got his 5 for, but he's not a happy bunny is he. I assume they'll start at 10-30 tomorrow to make up the half hour today, that's what they promised before the game. The weather could yet come to Pakistan's aid if they can keep battling, the captain has shown the way, now he needs the rest of his troops to mimic him and score runs, it's still a good pitch to bat on, and there must be a question as to how much play we'll actually get in the last 2 days.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:14 pm

Eng are 10/11 to win
Draw 4/5

Showers are due, but I'd hope if we can get a few early wickets whenever play starts, it could see a collapse.

Only the weather can save Pakistan here.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Being totally selfish and hoping that Jimmy gets two wickets tomorrow and it can do what it wants then because Pakistan will not win so we win the series.
Having said that, it would be good to get a full day's play because Tuesday looks very dodgy!

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:19 pm

Could somebody enlighten me as to why the players were taken off the field with 30 minutes still to play because of bad light?

At the beginning of next month the two teams play each other in T20 matches that start at 6pm so the light will be equally as bad if not worse and will be dark by the end of the games. As today they will under floodlights.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:21 pm

tybfc wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:19 pm
Could somebody enlighten me as to why the players were taken off the field with 30 minutes still to play because of bad light?

At the beginning of next month the two teams play each other in T20 matches that start at 6pm so the light will be equally as bad if not worse and will be dark by the end of the games. As today they will under floodlights.

Different coloured balls and outfits

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:40 pm

That and silly tradition
Although they've finally realised that early starts are the way forward

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:02 am

It's not really a big issue, but I'm rather surprised that Pakistan are allowed to have a different opening partnership this morning with Azhar Ali having come out as an opener last night - albeit a ball wasn't bowled before they came off.

matttheclaret · Post by **matttheclaret** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:25 am

Another day, another dropped catch.

Almost laughable how bad we have got at catching. Can't get away with it on flat pitches against good sides.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:25 am

Already one gone down off Jimmy.

Buttler didn't get a glove anywhere near.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:26 am

And another catch goes down. 4 drops in 37 deliveries from Anderson.
I had just a small degree of sympathy last night since it was very dark, but absolutely no excuse for Buttler this morning. You can't have your keeper drop routine catches like that and expect to beat the top teams like Australia.
Edit; Matt beat me to it by being more succinct!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:44 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:02 am
It's not really a big issue, but I'm rather surprised that Pakistan are allowed to have a different opening partnership this morning with Azhar Ali having come out as an opener last night - albeit a ball wasn't bowled before they came off.

I wondered about that, apparently it only applies to the opening batsman, as until the umpires officially call play the innings hasn't commenced, hence why they could change the order this morning, if play had started and even a couple of balls delivered then he'd have had to have come out opening the innings this morning, I must admit that law was unknown to me until this morning when the TMS team mentioned it, but there's that many different laws in the cricketing manual, it's only when instances like this occur that you find out all the regulations.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:14 pm

1st wicket but it's Broad not Jimmy, Masood out LBW upheld on review. 49-1 England needed that it was starting to go flat.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:26 pm

Going to be a big struggle to win this now given the forecast tomorrow

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:28 pm

Jimmy taken off for now too i think

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Going to be a big struggle to win this now given the forecast tomorrow

True! but most of the interest will surround whether Jimmy can pick up these 2 wickets to reach his next milestone. Pakistan have played well since yesterday afternoon, and the pitch isn't offering much assistance, plus all the weather delays aren't helping England's cause, this just goes to show how vital nicking that 1st test was.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:07 pm

I think the hope that he can get these two wickets is the one real bit of interest now. Shame that the weather has spoiled these last two tests.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:03 pm

Jimmy back into the attack, but the light's closing in fast, so we may not get many more overs in today.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:07 pm

599 - one to go

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:12 pm

If he could get another wicket in his next 13 deliveries he’ll be the quickest ever to get to 600.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:16 pm

If Anderson gets another will he become the first Arsenal fan to take 600 test wickets?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:17 pm

It didn't take him long did it, one more to go, but I don't think they'll be playing for long tonight, the light is quickly darkening, just need to hope that they manage some play tomorrow afternoon, the morning sounds like a wash-out.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:23 pm

Can't Jimmy bowl spin?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:35 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:23 pm
Can't Jimmy bowl spin?

I think they'll come off soon anyway, even with the spinners bowling, they need to start play earlier in the mornings if possible, what's the point of adding time on at the end of the day when the light's going too be worse.

They're off bad light again, Jimmy will have to wait I'm afraid.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:57 pm

No chance of any play in the morning unless there’s a dramatic change to the forecast. A chance for later in the day.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:07 pm

What a bummer if after all of this he remains on 599 and 4 easy dropped catches.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:57 pm
No chance of any play in the morning unless there’s a dramatic change to the forecast. A chance for later in the day.

The rains forecast to disappear around lunchtime, however the problem will be how much surface water is on the outfield, and the bowler's run up's, that was a major issue in the 2nd test, hence why so much time was lost when the weather was set fair.

Hopefully they can get a few hours of play in, England aren't likely to push for victory, but at least Jimmy might reach his magic 600.

Who knows when England will next play a test match, and if they do will Jimmy even be selected. If he doesn't notch a wicket tomorrow, he could be left stewing on 599 throughout the whole winter, and reliving all those spilled catches in his sleep.

There's also 24 overs until the 2nd new ball, and you'd think that's England best chance of taking a wicket or two, the pitch has really flattened out, and the Pakistan batters have looked comfortable for the most part today.