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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:54 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:51 pm
Do you ever give your mother a rest and cook your self? IT?
Hitlers nomination was cancelled. Trumps wont be
And to your foot stamping rage Trump will likely be elected again. Thanks too anarchistic, lawless rioters. People like you can protest on here all you like. Slag him call him thivk but its a useless protest. Makes you happy I suppose in your little world.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:03 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:34 pm
What a load of cr@p. When did you meet him?

Jeez you lefty loones take the biscuit.
lefty ?
what is a loones ?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:28 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:34 pm
The fact is middle America live and breath middle America. They do not have a world view. America is so vast they really do not need one. Fox News gives them all they need to stay in touch with the rest. America is the land of the free, the home of the brave and everyone who wants to change it is these anarchist, socialist communists... the reds the enemy of freedom.

A guy I genuinely really liked was utterly convinced Tony Blair was a communist.... it was outside his world experience to have three words for snow... everything but Republican is communism.

It’s their education and life experience. Do not knock them... of course they vote Trump.
The education system bears some responsibility. When I was in Texas in the late 90’s a school board there made it policy to teach that US civilisation is the most advanced of any human society. That sort of thing kills critical thinking, but I’d say Fox bears the greatest responsibility. People who watch it know less about the world than those who don’t watch any news at all.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:30 pm

After hinting at it so many times this year already, another stride towards Dictatorship.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/ ... ds-florida

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Spijed » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:23 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:30 pm
After hinting at it so many times this year already, another stride towards Dictatorship.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/ ... ds-florida
And it's well known that if he wins he is going to try and change the constitution so that he can serve more than two terms.

Sadly, some really believe that America is still a democracy.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by PeterWilton » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:38 pm

I read today that he's accusing Biden of using performance enhancing drugs. Lol.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Spijed » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:40 pm

These people don't deserve any sympathy if the worst should happen:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 8229212160

Absolutely none whatsoever.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:17 am

Spijed wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:40 pm
These people don't deserve any sympathy if the worst should happen:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 8229212160

Absolutely none whatsoever.
funny thing is, the more rallies he holds, the more of his clan he will kill and the less chance he has.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:19 am

PeterWilton wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:38 pm
I read today that he's accusing Biden of using performance enhancing drugs. Lol.
2 days after Trump snotted drugs out of his nose (he is a known drug taker) - all he does is project and lie. Cannot wait till the ****** is gone

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:00 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:23 pm
And it's well known that if he wins he is going to try and change the constitution so that he can serve more than two terms.

Sadly, some really believe that America is still a democracy.
And just how is he going to do that?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Bullabill » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:21 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:38 pm
I read today that he's accusing Biden of using performance enhancing drugs. Lol.
Well, they ain't workin'.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by HahaYeah » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:01 pm

"And it's well known that if he wins he is going to try and change the constitution so that he can serve more than two terms."

'Well known' - among the gullible emo pink pussyhats. :lol:

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:05 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:00 pm
And just how is he going to do that?
I would normally be inclined to agree with you on this but given what he has got away with, how much his party blindly back him, the power they currently hold and how weak the likes of Pelosi are I wouldn't discount anything however unlikely it might seem.

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Re: Donald Trump

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:15 pm

If he manages to change the rules to allow himself two more terms we might finally find out if the people own guns incase they need to overthrow their own government when it goes rogue or if they just own guns for the sake of it.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:15 pm
If he manages to change the rules to allow himself two more terms we might finally find out if the people own guns incase they need to overthrow their own government when it goes rogue or if they just own guns for the sake of it.
And just how would he be able to do that?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:27 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:09 pm
And just how would he be able to do that?
I said If not when.

I don't know if he can/could but many Americans claim they need to own a gun incase their government goes rogue.

Changing the 2 term rule could well be seen as a President going rogue.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by PeterWilton » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:24 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:27 pm
I said If not when.

I don't know if he can/could but many Americans claim they need to own a gun incase their government goes rogue.

Changing the 2 term rule could well be seen as a President going rogue.

It's an amendment. Trump can't change it and neither can Congress. The states would need to convene and not enough of them would agree to change it.

Trump's talking about a commuting a coup when he says he wants more than 2 terms because when a president is elected it is to a fixed term, and that term have a specific expiry date and time. And when it expires he is no longer president. If he tries to remain president after that then we're talking about a coup d'etat.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:46 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:24 pm
It's an amendment. Trump can't change it and neither can Congress. The states would need to convene and not enough of them would agree to change it.

Trump's talking about a commuting a coup when he says he wants more than 2 terms because when a president is elected it is to a fixed term, and that term have a specific expiry date and time. And when it expires he is no longer president. If he tries to remain president after that then we're talking about a coup d'etat.
So my point still stands that we'd finally find out if the gun toting Yanks are all mouth or would March on Washington...
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:46 pm
So my point still stands that we'd finally find out if the gun toting Yanks are all mouth or would March on Washington...
This post is a great exemplification of why it is pointless debating American politics on a football message board.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:21 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:20 pm
This post is a great exemplification of why it is pointless debating American politics on a football message board.
Ahem...
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:24 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:20 pm
This post is a great exemplification of why it is pointless debating American politics on a football message board.
What's the issue?
Any gun owning American I've spoken with either online or face to face will invariably claim they need their guns for protection from an invasion or if their government /president goes rogue.

Now you can get annoyed by my comments as much as you like, but IF Trump somehow managed to change the rules then I'd expect to see millions of gun carrying Americans marching on Washington to depose him.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Spiral » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:45 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:24 pm
What's the issue?
Any gun owning American I've spoken with either online or face to face will invariably claim they need their guns for protection from an invasion or if their government /president goes rogue.

Now you can get annoyed by my comments as much as you like, but IF Trump somehow managed to change the rules then I'd expect to see millions of gun carrying Americans marching on Washington to depose him.
Very few people in the US are actually ideological about the constitution. It's often tendentiously interpreted to grant legitimacy to an individual's, or group's will; in the case of the 2nd amendment, the rights of gun fans to play with their toys.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:10 am

we are heading towards a civil war at an alarming rate. 2 cops shot in the head in Compton tonight and most people don't give a toss - place is ****** and it's self inflicted because nobody is ever held accountable - unless of course you spray "Trump is a Cvnt" on a statue then it's off to jail for 10 years

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:29 am

Quoted in a Nevada rally last night.

"We are going to win four more years in the White House and then after that we'll negotiate, right, because we’re probably, based on the way we were treated, we’re probably entitled to another four after that," he said.

Relaying the groundwork to tear up the constitution once more.
He's becoming more deluded and desperate.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:38 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:28 am
The education system bears some responsibility. When I was in Texas in the late 90’s a school board there made it policy to teach that US civilisation is the most advanced of any human society. That sort of thing kills critical thinking, but I’d say Fox bears the greatest responsibility. People who watch it know less about the world than those who don’t watch any news at all.
So Islamic civilisation is more advanced than European/American civilisation?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:39 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:29 am
Quoted in a Nevada rally last night.

"We are going to win four more years in the White House and then after that we'll negotiate, right, because we’re probably, based on the way we were treated, we’re probably entitled to another four after that," he said.

Relaying the groundwork to tear up the constitution once more.
He's becoming more deluded and desperate.
Trump can't half wind you up. Please tell me how he's going to give himself four more years.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Uwe Noble » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:44 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:24 pm
What's the issue?
Any gun owning American I've spoken with either online or face to face will invariably claim they need their guns for protection from an invasion or if their government /president goes rogue.

Now you can get annoyed by my comments as much as you like, but IF Trump somehow managed to change the rules then I'd expect to see millions of gun carrying Americans marching on Washington to depose him.
The point is that that you can't debate. You throw out outrageous statements like "Trump can change the rules" ( I presume you mean the " constitution") ignoring what has already been said about the virtual impossibility of doing so. Perhaps you should join Joe in his basement
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:38 am

Is that how Donnie got down to his bunker to escape the protesters?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:39 am

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:44 am
The point is that that you can't debate. You throw out outrageous statements like "Trump can change the rules" ( I presume you mean the " constitution") ignoring what has already been said about the virtual impossibility of doing so. Perhaps you should join Joe in his basement
I said IF, which part of IF did you fail to understand?

Accusing me of being unable to debate when you can't even read what I've written :lol:

Get in your own basement.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:43 am

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:38 am
So Islamic civilisation is more advanced than European/American civilisation?
At one point yes it was and that's common knowledge I thought.
It's not the case now the extremists are in charge.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:03 am

Uwe Noble wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:39 am
Trump can't half wind you up. Please tell me how he's going to give himself four more years.

Why?
Because he's delusional.
He needs to be because it's what protects himself from what he is from a world that doesn't really tolerate his sort freely ; a hopelessly narcissistic psychopath.
He's aware on the edges of his delusion, that things might not be looking good for him in a democratic election, even as he's trying to kid everyone else as well as himself, they're fake polls.
So he's getting more desperate & his delusions more dangerous.
He's creating chaos and civil unrest in increasing depths.
It's what he wants, and needs, to have a chance to cling to power.


If in some weird & awful way he did win a second term, he'd almost certainly start his own Reichstag Fire 2 or 3 years in and, the rest, as they say, is (in) history.
.....then he's that equally twisted daughter waiting to continue the the dynasty...

But, never happen, would it.....?
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:09 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:10 am
we are heading towards a civil war at an alarming rate. 2 cops shot in the head in Compton tonight and most people don't give a toss - place is ****** and it's self inflicted because nobody is ever held accountable - unless of course you spray "Trump is a Cvnt" on a statue then it's off to jail for 10 years
Compton has been that way for decades though, same with many other rough/poor mainly black neighbourhoods across the country.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Erasmus » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:09 am

I think it is possible to legally change the constitution to allow for more than two terms. I say this, because the constitution was changed to introduce the two term limit after Roosevelt died in office during his fourth term. Before that there was no limit on the number of presidential terms. I think that is right, and the reason it was introduced was to lessen to the possibility of a president dying in office, as Roosevelt did.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:16 am

Why do they keep mainly voting in crusty old white men then if they don't want them to die in office?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:36 am

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:50 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:16 am
Why do they keep mainly voting in crusty old white men then if they don't want them to die in office?
Because that's the hobson's choice the parties give the electorate. it's encouraging that Kamala Harris is on the Dem ticket, and if Biden wins there's every chance she'll be the front runner to get the Democratic nomination in 4 years, and of course Hillary Clinton stood in 2016.

What's more concerning to me is how the same few families always keep reappearing on the scene, the Clinton's, the Kennedy's, and now the Trump's.

And the common denominator in American politics is money, the sums that are spent on the campaigns alone are obscene, hence only the elite few have any realistic chance of sitting in the Oval Office.

Even supposed outsiders, such as Trump in 2016, and Bloomberg in 2020, have ploughed their own fortunes into the campaigns.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:53 am

It would be amusing if she did become president, could you imagine the howls of outrage over there :lol:
Especially as she wants tougher gun control laws, despite being a gun owner herself.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:04 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:53 am
It would be amusing if she did become president, could you imagine the howls of outrage over there :lol:
Especially as she wants tougher gun control laws, despite being a gun owner herself.

She really would trigger many on the right, although I doubt any president would manage to get tougher gun laws through the Congress, I suppose if the Dems got a sizeable majority in both houses, as well as the presidency it might happen, but the NRA still holds plenty of sway over there.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:44 pm

Gun control is one thing they need more of but right now what they need is better police control given how often they just decide to beat and kill people for sport.

I think Vegas Claret might be right about a civil war, or at least massive civil unrest. Especially if trump loses/dies.

America is heading for a nightmare scenario with their election too because with so many mail-in ballots it's quite likely that there'll be no result on the night. Coupled with trump going around and telling everyone to vote twice, and that if he loses the election is fraudulent then his defeat will lead to terrorism on a scale even larger than his victory did.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:01 pm

If Trump does win though then it will be the end of democracy in America, such as it was. He's spent 4 years hiring and firing people based on how loyal they will be to him but now he has his henchmen. Bill Barr being the most dangerous.

We're gonna see more extrajudicial killings celebrated on his twitter, more secret police kidnappings of dissenters. Basically what you're seeing in Belarus with their police just kidnapping people, that's gonna be common place since they've already tested that out this summer and saw that rather than recoil in disgust the right loved it.

I've never liked the idea from those who say every four years "if X wins then I'm moving to Canada/leaving the country" but if You're a leftist, or a Liberal, or someone who likes the freedom to protest your government, and trump wins then you should leave America, because like the socialists in 1930s Germany you are an enemy of the state.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:21 pm

American here, with my 2 cents of opinion...
While trump can claim more term limits, repealing an amendment to the constitution isnt easy and it wont happen.

Election night is going to be horrible. I think trump will declare himself the winner, regardless of what the vote is. God forbid its close and then the mail-in absentee ballots start getting counted and the results get dragged out for weeks.

I can see riots. I can see shootings. I keep thinking we have hit rock bottom but i think we still have a ways to go.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:38 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:21 pm
American here, with my 2 cents of opinion...
While trump can claim more term limits, repealing an amendment to the constitution isnt easy and it wont happen.

Election night is going to be horrible. I think trump will declare himself the winner, regardless of what the vote is. God forbid its close and then the mail-in absentee ballots start getting counted and the results get dragged out for weeks.

I can see riots. I can see shootings. I keep thinking we have hit rock bottom but i think we still have a ways to go.
You are correct on the constitution, and Trump won't get any amendments changed, and the Dems are likely to have control of at least one of the houses, so that idea is dead in the water, however what he'll probably try and do is claim that he's being thwarted by the Washington establishment again, it's a running theme when he doesn't get what he wants, and whether we like it or not it fires his base up.

Sadly that scenario is very likely, already Trump is questioning the legitimacy of the ballot, and the row is intensifying over mail-in ballots, despite what the current polls say, I do think it will be close, and I can see this rambling on for weeks, Florida 2000 was bad enough, but this has the potential to be 10X worse, all I'd say to anybody living in America is keep safe if you can, because this is going to get nasty I'm afraid.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:38 pm
You are correct on the constitution, and Trump won't get any amendments changed, and the Dems are likely to have control of at least one of the houses, so that idea is dead in the water, however what he'll probably try and do is claim that he's being thwarted by the Washington establishment again, it's a running theme when he doesn't get what he wants, and whether we like it or not it fires his base up.

Sadly that scenario is very likely, already Trump is questioning the legitimacy of the ballot, and the row is intensifying over mail-in ballots, despite what the current polls say, I do think it will be close, and I can see this rambling on for weeks, Florida 2000 was bad enough, but this has the potential to be 10X worse, all I'd say to anybody living in America is keep safe if you can, because this is going to get nasty I'm afraid.
He's encouraging his base to vote absentee AND then show up in person to vote, trying to expose "voter fraud". All will it take is one "case" of this happening and his base will go crazy.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm
He's encouraging his base to vote absentee AND then show up in person to vote, trying to expose "voter fraud". All will it take is one "case" of this happening and his base will go crazy.
Yes and it's precisely because of this that the electoral system will be overwhelmed, Oh! and I don't know what the laws are stateside, but if any British politician advocated such an act, they'd rightly be hauled over the coals, and I'm pretty sure that doing so is illegal this side of the pond, but because it's Trump people just shrug and get on with it, he's reducing the supposed beacon of democracy and freedom to an international pariah, mind you the UK government isn't faring much better in that department, so we can hardly preach.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:58 pm

I'm almost certain it's illegal in America to incite millions of people to commit felony voter fraud. But a lot of what trump does is illegal and his party does nothing to stop him.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:17 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:36 am
A moving memorial to commemorate the sad loss of life in the US from Coronavirus

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that's a picture from someone selling them in 2016

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:20 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:58 pm
I'm almost certain it's illegal in America to incite millions of people to commit felony voter fraud. But a lot of what trump does is illegal and his party does nothing to stop him.
it's Bill Barr that is the issue

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:20 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:17 pm
that's a picture from someone selling them in 2016
Actually the signs are being given away for free ;)

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:31 pm

Fair play to Trump for organising a fun run in aid of Coronavirus victims.......I give you the Nevada Covid 1k

https://twitter.com/i/status/1304932801649623040

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