Might well be but dyche has the last word
Speaking of rigg has he been here for almost 2 years and the only player we have signed is Brownhill
Might well be but dyche has the last word
This is just no longer the case in this day and age. If they're good enough to improve our first team they'll cost more in either transfer fee or wages than we are willing to pay.
Utter sh-ite - as usual.BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:19 pmYep and I forgot about Drinkwater as well - a hell of a lot of money gone from the club's coffers to players bank accounts that have contributed sweet fa on the pitch where it matters - you could also add Vydra to the list maybe as well and obviously Gibson.
Board have sat back and thought we can't carry on like this and I agree.
This is part of the problem. MG coming out with that comment and SD saying money isn’t a problem.
I’m not sure SD has said that money isn’t a problem but happy to be stood corrected.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:17 pmThis is part of the problem. MG coming out with that comment and SD saying money isn’t a problem.
In current times I would lean towards MG’s view. God knows when this virus will be beaten and just by surviving we could come out far stronger as some might not survive.
I know its the lowest and that's why we need investment from elsewhere and it cant come soon enough but we have made too many mistakes because of the routes Dyche chose to go down - ageing has beens and big money and shopping in the championship - there is more to football that the English leagues you knowTVC15 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:03 pmUtter sh-ite - as usual.
Our net spend over Dyche’s tenure is up there with the lowest of any club in this league.
No club with a sustained period in this league survives without making expensive mistakes - and we have made fewer expensive mistakes than most.
The board have not thought “we can’t carry on like this at all” - pure fabrication from you...and the only thing you are agreeing with is your own bullish-it.
Garlick has explained why we are in a more difficult financial situation than we were pre Covid but either you choose to ignore that or don’t understand it - based on some of your comments when the accounts came out I’m sure it’s both.
So what do you think about our investment in under 23s, 5 new signings? Is this nothing to do with the manager?BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:37 amI know its the lowest and that's why we need investment from elsewhere and it cant come soon enough but we have made too many mistakes because of the routes Dyche chose to go down - ageing has beens and big money and from the championship - there is more to football that the English leagues you know
The under 23s have their own budget.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:48 amSo what do you think about our investment in under 23s, 5 new signings? Is this nothing to do with the manager?
I would say more to do with other peoples verdicts who then speak to Dycheboatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:48 amSo what do you think about our investment in under 23s, 5 new signings? Is this nothing to do with the manager?
Yes, but if a player is available who is good enough to improve our first team then they're also good enough to improve the first team of teams that are willing to pay more than we are (like Villa/Palace/Sheff Utd etc), pricing us out of a potential signing.
Too many excusesTall Paul wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:43 amYes, but if a player is available who is good enough to improve our first team then they're also good enough to improve the first team of teams that are willing to pay more than we are (like Villa/Palace/Sheff Utd etc), pricing us out of a potential signing.
With the rise of data analysis there's almost perfect information on the transfer market making it almost impossible to pick up talented players from unknown leagues and traditional scouting is pretty much obsolete.
Too many excusesTall Paul wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:43 amYes, but if a player is available who is good enough to improve our first team then they're also good enough to improve the first team of teams that are willing to pay more than we are (like Villa/Palace/Sheff Utd etc), pricing us out of a potential signing.
With the rise of data analysis there's almost perfect information on the transfer market making it almost impossible to pick up talented players from unknown leagues and traditional scouting is pretty much obsolete.
He doesn't normally post that much, but it seems pretty clear. We don't have much of a budget and it looks like the 2-3 players is a pipe dream, with 1 player max coming in, and even then it would be a bargain and 4th-5th choice purchase.jedi_master wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:21 pmNixon:
Garlick not wanting to over spend. Rigg looking all over for targets. Dyche a bit grumpy about lack of cash and targets. So nothing going through too easily right now.
This is unique. Money isn’t there. Can’t spend what you don’t have. That’s reality. Garlick doesn’t want the thing to go bust. Can’t blame him for that.
There’s some money to spend. Been bidding for people. But all been low. Need to be realistic overall here. These are tough times for football.
Maybe utilising the loan market wouldnt go a miss if we don't have the funds availableFactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmHe doesn't normally post that much, but it seems pretty clear. We don't have much of a budget and it looks like the 2-3 players is a pipe dream, with 1 player max coming in, and even then it would be a bargain and 4th-5th choice purchase.
It's looking that way. Like posted above, our first choice 11 is a top 10 side with the way we play. But that's relying on the likes of JBG not getting injured - and it's 80% likely he will get injured.Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:33 pmMaybe utilising the loan market wouldnt go a miss if we don't have the funds available
I actually think that shopping in the Championship would now be a little bit easier than previously given the situation with COVID. Championship clubs are feeling the pinch just like we are. Example being the two Derby full backs who went to Sheff Utd for less than £15m combined when Derby were reportedly asking for that figure for just one of them (Bogle) around 12 months ago.
Jbg did the right thing by staying and having a full pre season with us . Brady on the other hand I suppose that's his decision. If there's no money available or limited then the loan market looks the best place or free agentsFactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:38 pmIt's looking that way. Like posted above, our first choice 11 is a top 10 side with the way we play. But that's relying on the likes of JBG not getting injured - and it's 80% likely he will get injured.
Even 2-3 loans for people would work, but would a club loan a player out who might not even play? Possibly a team who wouldn't have played them anyway, and loaning them to us saves them some ££s as we'll be paying the wage. So possibly.
I'd still be amazed if we don't bring in 3-4 players.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmHe doesn't normally post that much, but it seems pretty clear. We don't have much of a budget and it looks like the 2-3 players is a pipe dream, with 1 player max coming in, and even then it would be a bargain and 4th-5th choice purchase.
Everybody fit, and we wouldn't be desperate for anybody. Barnes, Brady, Cork, JBG all staying fit we'd be ok and be able to have a decent bench too.Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 pmJbg did the right thing by staying and having a full pre season with us . Brady on the other hand I suppose that's his decision. If there's no money available or limited then the loan market looks the best place or free agents
Time to drop the Factual, Frank. That is speculation with a negative slant.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmHe doesn't normally post that much, but it seems pretty clear. We don't have much of a budget and it looks like the 2-3 players is a pipe dream, with 1 player max coming in, and even then it would be a bargain and 4th-5th choice purchase.
I'd be amazed if we do. I can see somebody coming in towards the end of the window, but I really cannot see 3-4 players. 2 an absolute maximum, and one of those will probably be a loan.
Welcome to Uptheclarets.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:44 pmTime to drop the Factual, Frank. That is speculation with a negative slant.
Trustworthy sources suggest it was actually half that (or less) for the pair...Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:40 pmI actually think that shopping in the Championship would now be a little bit easier than previously given the situation with COVID. Championship clubs are feeling the pinch just like we are. Example being the two Derby full backs who went to Sheff Utd for less than £15m combined when Derby were reportedly asking for that figure for just one of them (Bogle) around 12 months ago.
I think it's a lot more to do with waiting to see who is left and then going for somebody. I think we're waiting for other clubs to do their business which gives us less competition and more chance of getting someone for less than if we went for them now.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 pmHas anyone considered this? As we haven't yet sold anyone, our lack of incoming players may simply be because we don't yet know how much money we have available. There's no point in bringing in 2 or 3 very ordinary players, (With money we already have.) if we end up selling Tarky (Or someone else.) and that gives us the chance to bring in 2 or 3 very decent ones instead.
It really could be as simple as that.
Add to that that players are always looking for the best deal for themselves and they too will leave it late in the hope of better offers. That's why there is always a last minute flurry of deals.
So you seriously believe that Burnley don't have target players and that we just collect the dreggs when other are finished? I think that's so far from reality that it makes me wonder if what you said was a serious post.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:57 pmI think it's a lot more to do with waiting to see who is left and then going for somebody. I think we're waiting for other clubs to do their business which gives us less competition and more chance of getting someone for less than if we went for them now.
That would be taking a huge gamble on avoiding injuries and suspensions across the full season.
Not too sure about that. Admittedly we did well in those final games of the season with what we had available to us. But 38 games is a totally different scenario and it would be folly not to add to what we already have. Hard to understand anyone connected with the club, from directors to supporters, would genuinely believe anything else.
It's a huge gamble paying 15 million for a player, who might not make the grade, might sustain a serious injury on his debut, might decide he doesn't like warming the bench.Row Z wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:25 pmThat would be taking a huge gamble on avoiding injuries and suspensions across the full season.
We never have a good cup run, so wouldn't be worried about fixture pile up, but Dyche's consistency in his team selection and the lack of break since the final games of last season surely increases the risk of losing players to injury.
In my opinion we would be foolish not to strengthen when there does appear to be value out there.
Which is my point further up, which brain cell had a pop at. We could very well be waiting for other clubs to do their business.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:04 pmLots of players will be available cheaply on deadline day, especially if there's no confirmed date for fans returning full time.
I'm not suggesting a £15m signing, and I doubt there are many that would be expecting us to go out and spend that when we need multiple signings.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:52 pmIt's a huge gamble paying 15 million for a player, who might not make the grade, might sustain a serious injury on his debut, might decide he doesn't like warming the bench.