ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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From ALK’s perspective, will they not want this done prior to the transfer window closing to attempt to help Dyche?
Their investment and time spent getting this deal to the point it is at would be wasted if we’re looking in trouble next season, were my thoughts?
Their investment and time spent getting this deal to the point it is at would be wasted if we’re looking in trouble next season, were my thoughts?
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That’s an interesting aspect. I wonder how many players might be willing to sign up to their details being used, for the chance of an opportunity arising.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:18 pmTheir are already legal cases going on around GDPR and players not being paid for the data that has been collated and used on them (there is a belief it is in a similar context to image rights)
It could though make it easier for players to view information held about them and potentially remove elements that were less positive - perhaps?
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I may then be faced with the dilemma of what to do with my 0.0275% share!
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There are over 600 in this country signed up for a class action type case on it at the moment, they see it as a genuine source of incomeDCWat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:37 pmThat’s an interesting aspect. I wonder how many players might be willing to sign up to their details being used, for the chance of an opportunity arising.
It could though make it easier for players to view information held about them and potentially remove elements that were less positive - perhaps?
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Oh definitely, but that initial half hour.......Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:34 pmThat initial 24 hours from when it occurred probably did more to improve the image/standing of the club around the world than much of our time in the Premier League, particularly our captain.
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yep seems so, cheersClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pmMixed feelings I would say. I'm a fan of almost 60 years (article ready next month) but I can see the problems we have without investment. It's all about getting the right investment. I do think though that it is now obvious to everyone that all is not well at the club.
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I wonder if this is VERY close to happening and the reason for the interest in Harry Wilson is because money is being released for transfers to help “grease the wheels”...
I find it very interesting that this news goes public (and it’s now on Sky Sports News’ ticker tape) and on the same day so does interest in a signing that would be our “marquee” signing for the summer!
I find it very interesting that this news goes public (and it’s now on Sky Sports News’ ticker tape) and on the same day so does interest in a signing that would be our “marquee” signing for the summer!
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It would make sense. Possibly leaked early to push it through the final stages. I didn't expect this to come out for a couple more days yet.jedi_master wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:36 pmFrom ALK’s perspective, will they not want this done prior to the transfer window closing to attempt to help Dyche?
Their investment and time spent getting this deal to the point it is at would be wasted if we’re looking in trouble next season, were my thoughts?
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Have you got a link to it, not something I'd heard about.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:43 pmThere are over 600 in this country signed up for a class action type case on it at the moment, they see it as a genuine source of income
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how would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
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agree!ZizkovClaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:21 pmWe need investment to maintain our current level, nevermind move onwards.
I can see how, with our newly minted Cat 1 Academy, we would be looked at as an ideal breeding ground for the development of talent they can identify. We have a track record in McNeil of taking undervalued players and turning them into one of the top young EPL talents.
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I've been amazed at some of your posts CT, youve always been very much a glass half full.... not that you aren't now, but you have been fairly consistent over a good period that things are not good.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pmMixed feelings I would say. I'm a fan of almost 60 years (article ready next month) but I can see the problems we have without investment. It's all about getting the right investment. I do think though that it is now obvious to everyone that all is not well at the club.
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There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pmhow would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
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Sheffield United connection...https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesta ... 6563%3famp
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I was referring to ALK but he isn't going anywherePaul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pmI've just looked at the time. In 10 mins or so we may know if Jarmes Tarkowski is back in the team tonight.
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taken from their website
Specializing in acquisition and operations of modern sports, media, and entertainment assets, and related technologies, ALK Capital combines its diverse expertise, experience, and creativity with its investor network to drive growth and maximize business potential while building sustainable companies and value.
Specializing in acquisition and operations of modern sports, media, and entertainment assets, and related technologies, ALK Capital combines its diverse expertise, experience, and creativity with its investor network to drive growth and maximize business potential while building sustainable companies and value.
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I apologise.Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:20 pmI should rise above it, I should be the bigger person, and I shouldn’t bask in the disappointment of those who belittle, BUT now it’s in the media.....
I’ll start taking apologies....
It isn’t quite the Egyptian multi billionaire that I was hoping for, though, so I’m not sure how I’d feel if this lot took over.
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Hi BW, yes, I know your reference was to ALK. There was also mention of "marquee signing." To me and I suspect many others, retaining JT will be one or our marquee signings. Proof, of course, is on the team sheet.
Well done on your scoop, btw. Let's hope this all works out for everyone.
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Stan's blind man on the galloping horse can see things aren't good though. People picked up on Sean's references to money, contracts and the like when we resumed without Hendrick, Lennon & Hart, but if you go back some twelve months and his comments it has been clear there were problems.
I will always be glass half full, more than half full, but you can't disguise the fact that all is not well right now.
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This is very much it. They will be putting a lot of finance into the club but It's a case of the bigger picture financially. They are prepared, short term to take a hit on the club short term because it's viable and sustainable and investing in the NW seems to be very popular. Lots of potential.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pmThere's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
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I wonder if they'll lend my £100 for a new tyre?
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I think we've all got to like "investing in the NW" - even those of us, like me, who have been away from the region for several decades.BenWickes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:59 pmThis is very much it. They will be putting a lot of finance into the club but It's a case of the bigger picture financially. They are prepared, short term to take a hit on the club short term because it's viable and sustainable and investing in the NW seems to be very popular. Lots of potential.
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Corner shop mentality in my opinion. To maintain what we have we need investment.
Not keen on Private Equity firms though who are often short term opportunists. This firm does seem to know the market though.
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Oh very much. Tarkowski staying is a fillip and a very nice one too. I don't regard it as a scoop. I can understand the cautious reading eyes. It's natural and normal. Just portraying as has DJW what is going on without jeopardising trust.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pmHi BW, yes, I know your reference was to ALK. There was also mention of "marquee signing." To me and I suspect many others, retaining JT will be one or our marquee signings. Proof, of course, is on the team sheet.
Well done on your scoop, btw. Let's hope this all works out for everyone.
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Plead poverty since about April (losing £50m etc from Garlick) and with a manager saying he has to sell to buy, has no budget and no sign of any incomings bar a cheap (but decent) buy from Brighton.
We then get told we’re about to be taken over by an American consortium and almost at the same time that we’re in talks to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool for a likely club record fee.
I think someone else has said this, but putting two and two together this is surely intrinsically linked? It would be an almost impossible transfer for us to contemplate before this takeover news if you take the Chairman and Manager at their word before today.
If that is the case it certainly does show they’re going to back Dyche...
We then get told we’re about to be taken over by an American consortium and almost at the same time that we’re in talks to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool for a likely club record fee.
I think someone else has said this, but putting two and two together this is surely intrinsically linked? It would be an almost impossible transfer for us to contemplate before this takeover news if you take the Chairman and Manager at their word before today.
If that is the case it certainly does show they’re going to back Dyche...
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As they are in it for the money, why us, as we won't generate the same revenues as the majority of other Prem clubs?
Aside from the Sky TV money what else is there in it for them?
The majority of that money goes on wages, signings and bonuses so there isn't too much left over.
Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.
Aside from the Sky TV money what else is there in it for them?
The majority of that money goes on wages, signings and bonuses so there isn't too much left over.
Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.
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This is excellent news. I know for absolute certain that there was also a Chinese investor that got a long way down the line with an approach then seems to have gone cold over recent weeks
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Right now this whelms me.
1. We need the money just to stand still
2. We probably can’t raise the money elsewhere
3. We may lose our identity
4. They could be con men who think buying a PL Club is a guaranteed cash generator, just like property usually is
5. How will they up the value of the club? It won’t be just in Burnley, it is too small. Ribble Valley Rangers and try to mop up disillusioned fans in Blackburn, Preston and beyond. They could move Turf Moor to a retail park near Altham or Chorley
6. Nobody knows anything here. Every report says exactly the same, an organised and fairly sterile statement
This could be very exciting or it may not happen
We are all guessing right now
1. We need the money just to stand still
2. We probably can’t raise the money elsewhere
3. We may lose our identity
4. They could be con men who think buying a PL Club is a guaranteed cash generator, just like property usually is
5. How will they up the value of the club? It won’t be just in Burnley, it is too small. Ribble Valley Rangers and try to mop up disillusioned fans in Blackburn, Preston and beyond. They could move Turf Moor to a retail park near Altham or Chorley
6. Nobody knows anything here. Every report says exactly the same, an organised and fairly sterile statement
This could be very exciting or it may not happen
We are all guessing right now
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what does that mean PaulPaul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pmThere's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
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was on the MMT Thread
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:33 pmI posted yesterday an opinion article about personal player data and GDPR - it transpires that his is an area that a growing group of players are looking to fight for as Betting companies in particular are exploiting such data for their own significant gains - a "class-action" type legal case is building fronted by current and former English players - from SportsProMedia.com
Report: Premier League stars suing betting companies over use of personal data
‘More than 400’ UK-based soccer players signed up to Project Red Card.
Posted: July 29 2020 - By: Sam Carp
- EFL, National League and Scottish Premiership players also involved in lawsuit
- Successful claim could be worth ‘hundreds of millions of pounds’
- Project being spearheaded by Russell Slade’s Global Sports Data and Technology Group
Top-flight Premier League stars are among a group of UK-based soccer players seeking ‘hundreds of millions of pounds’ for the use of their personal statistics, according to the Athletic.
The subscription-based digital sports outlet says ‘more than 400’ current and former players plan to take legal action against companies such as computer game manufacturers and betting firms who have used their performance and tracking data without consent or compensation.
The players hope to recover six years’ worth of lost income, the Athletic said, adding that individual settlements could be worth as much as ‘tens of thousands of pounds’ if the claim is successful, although payments will vary depending on what level the player competed at and the amount of exposure they received.
Players from the English Football League (EFL), which oversees the three divisions below the Premier League, the semi-professional National League and the Scottish Premiership have also reportedly signed up to Project Red Card, which is being spearheaded by a company called Global Sports Data and Technology Group.
Co-founded by Russell Slade, who has managed several clubs in the EFL, and technology expert Jason Dunlop, Global Sports Data and Technology Group says it is ‘helping sport to understand and benefit from’ the incomes associated with data.
Speaking to the BBC, Slade said: "Players need to be signing [consent] if their data is going to travel.
“One or two clubs are seeing it now, we want to help them get this right. Obviously data in clubs is there for players to improve but they should be signing their consent for it to be used.
“We have found that the accuracy of data is staggering, most players on board have wrong data stored.”
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:01 pmThe Football Today Podcast explains Project Red Card and what it means for the future of data in football.
https://www.footballtodaypodcast.com/po ... balls-data
EDIT - This is a fascinating listen - Football Today is probably the best Football Podcast out there - never heard a poor one yet, let alone a bad one
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I've seen a few people say this but I do struggle to see the link somewhat. I can't imagine the North-west, or the "Northern Powerhouse", will be turning down investment if you don't own a local football club.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pmThere's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
It may give them a little more of a local reputation (although that can easily flip, football fans are very fickle) but it doesn't seem like it's worth the hundreds of millions it could potentially cost.
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Could certainly see "Come and see what our projects are, and by the way, we're playing Man City on Saturday if you want to stay for that?"
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What’s all this investment in the North West that everyone keeps going on about?
Apart from Manchester and Liverpool I don’t see much else at all.
Apart from Manchester and Liverpool I don’t see much else at all.
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that will have an awful lot to do with the changes in Chinese State policy, like the TV deal
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I would rather we stayed independent.
I know we need investment, and someone needs to think outside the box how we raise it, but the perils of the wrong people taking over are frightening.
An individual with mega bucks to spare is OK, but an investment company, that you presume wants to make money........
It didn't make sense for Newcastle, it makes no more sense for us.
I know we need investment, and someone needs to think outside the box how we raise it, but the perils of the wrong people taking over are frightening.
An individual with mega bucks to spare is OK, but an investment company, that you presume wants to make money........
It didn't make sense for Newcastle, it makes no more sense for us.
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By us winning the Champions League, silly.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pmhow would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
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Colburn - my immediate reaction to what you have said - not judging just a different perspectiveColburn_Claret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:43 pmI would rather we stayed independent.
I know we need investment, and someone needs to think outside the box how we raise it, but the perils of the wrong people taking over are frightening.
An individual with mega bucks to spare is OK, but an investment company, that you presume wants to make money........
It didn't make sense for Newcastle, it makes no more sense for us.
- most clubs who have got into some kind of financial mess are owned by An individual with mega bucks to spare
- an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly
- Newcastle bid was about the wider investment, if failed because there was no separation between state and club in the proposed ownership structure, that required the state to make guarantees to make obligations it was not prepared too.
- there is an awful lot of logic to the bid as we currently understand it, both from vertical integration and what is happening in the area re the power change in local and central government
And yes I would rather we stay independent but that is becoming virtually impossible - if things get as bad as they could within the game we could be down to a closed shop of just 2 leagues
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Some of you are not taking into account this has gone above and beyond due diligence. There will be a point when there'll be expected a return on investment but they are prepared to look long term.
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Agree with all that. Most notably, this is nothing like the Newcastle takeover attempt.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:54 pmColburn - my immediate reaction to what you have said - not judging just a different perspective
- most clubs who have got into some kind of financial mess are owned by An individual with mega bucks to spare
- an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly
- Newcastle bid was about the wider investment, if failed because there was no separation between state and club in the proposed ownership structure, that required the state to make guarantees to make obligations it was not prepared too.
- there is an awful lot of logic to the bid as we currently understand it, both from vertical integration and what is happening in the area re the power change in local and central government
And yes I would rather we stay independent but that is becoming virtually impossible - if things get as bad as they could within the game we could be down to a closed shop of just 2 leagues
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well what if they go the talked about Brentford/moneyball route - buy a player for 4 million and sell him for 30 ?Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:12 pmAs they are in it for the money, why us, as we won't generate the same revenues as the majority of other Prem clubs?
Aside from the Sky TV money what else is there in it for them?
The majority of that money goes on wages, signings and bonuses so there isn't too much left over.
Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.
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"an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly"
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So, considering this is now public, and a couple of days sooner than expected, how quickly might we expect this to progress further?
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I'd guess there'd be an announcement by Friday. Which is when I initially expected it.
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