The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

[Clarets4me]

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left." And he's still defended by people on here.
Seriously lads, your masks are slipping faster than Johnsons poll ratings.

The definition of stand by, in normal American use, is " to refrain from acting or intervening, when something bad happens or unfolds " ..... it is different to the British use, in which it means " stand-by, ready for action " ....

I would be abstaining if I were an American, as I've said before, it says something of the state of politics in a Country of 332,000,000 people, that the choice is between these two ....

[Long Time Lurker]

Michael Buffer should introduce them

Lets get reeeaaaaddddyyyy to fum fum fumble!

[Lancasterclaret]

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."

Explain that away boys

You are going to really struggle with it, but I fully expect you all to try to avoid accepting the reality that is right in front of you.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Queens has tough neighbourhoods but where Trump was brought up wasn't one of them.

I agree, Trump has always said Jamaica Estates was an oasis, ironically it is one filled with jews and migrants, so for all those calling Trump a fascist, it would be ironic that he grew up in such an environment. But they are only a few hundred yards away from less salubrious areas.

My point was that to make money like Trump’s dad did in Queens at that time, would have needed a streetwise character because it was rough in general and the mafia would have been dominant in Queens and very active in property development. That’s why I tend to dismiss his rough edges and weird personality and judge him entirely on actions, which as I posted above, have both successes and failures.

p.s. just to throw this one out there, as I head back to work, if it was Biden or Trump, I’d vote for Trump. Same if it was Hillary vs Trump. If it was Trump or Bill Clinton (who is younger than both of them) I’d vote for Bill Clinton. If it was Trump vs George W Bush, I’d vote for Trump (three main reasons for that sweep of opinion - antiwokeness, gravitas, and tough foreign policy while not being a warmonger). I appreciate that if I was American and able to vote I’d have to consider many more aspects, such as healthcare.

p.p.s. Edit 2. Just realised that all my “votes” have gone to people who were impeached. Must make me a bit anti establishment.

[AndrewJB]

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

Looks as though Trump will have to win some people over rather than catering to his base.

Here’s an article on Andy Ngo who was quoted above:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... fa-877914/

As it’s been pointed out here before, Rolling Stone magazine is a left leaning, but factually accurate reporter of news.

Right wing terrorism is seen as a far greater threat in virtually every western country, than left wing terrorism.

[KateR]

How sweet of you, to try to deflect Donalds ineptitude, Bullying, and downright refusal to condemn white supremacism as a tie.
How shameful of you!.........Do you have ANY decency?...

.....And before i'm accused of picking on Them, They, Men, Women etc etc.....Them, those etc started the thread!

well well look who came out to play, the man who goes on a rant about the President and does exactly what he is crying about, bully and lying, clearly for everyone to witness, I have a lot more decency than you, proven over thread after thread, you have a nice life now.

[GandalfsBeard]

Spot on mate. Biden has had 47 years in government and done nothing. I suppose these posters don't know about trump's platinum plan for the black community and if they do they've not praised it in anyway. I genuinely believe they're beyond help but people are waking up every single day. I bet none of them have checked out the YouTube channels I posted which are run by non white people mostly.

What drew you toward supporting Trump, Dom?

[RingoMcCartney]

We're not on Facebook or Stormfront now.

As long as at least one poster sees you as the poundshop Nick Griffin you actually are, then so be it.

Unless you get the thread deleted when things aren't going your way, which you have plenty of previous for.

You simply cant handle the truth. Which is , despite what Biden says, "antifa is an idea not an organisation". Antifa is a violent Marxist terrorist organisation.


The violent BLM-antifa activities on 26–27 Sept. in Portland resulted in dozens of arrests during the governor-declared city emergency. In downtown, rioters fired ball bearings from slingshots at cops & shut down the streets again. #PortlandRiots #antifa https://archive.is/FR7nE

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 5225812992

[RingoMcCartney]

Systematic vote rigging by Democrats uncovered -


https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesOKeefeI ... 0040219649



@IlhanOmar

connected cash-for-ballots harvesting scheme EXPOSED “Money is the king in everything”; harvester boasts harvesting HUNDREDS of 2020 absentee ballots ILLEGALLY! “Numbers do not lie...these here are all absentee ballots…my car is full…”

[RingoMcCartney]

Watch: A rioter at the BLM-antifa Portland riot throws a large Molotov cocktail at PortlandPolice

. #PortlandRiots #antifa

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 0938836993

"Antifa is just an idea not an organisation" Biden

[Spijed]

Systematic vote rigging by Democrats uncovered -


https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesOKeefeI ... 0040219649



@IlhanOmar

connected cash-for-ballots harvesting scheme EXPOSED “Money is the king in everything”; harvester boasts harvesting HUNDREDS of 2020 absentee ballots ILLEGALLY! “Numbers do not lie...these here are all absentee ballots…my car is full…”

If vote rigging is taking place on the Democratic side, how do you know it isn't taking place by the Republican party?

[DomBFC1882]

What drew you toward supporting Trump, Dom?

Many reasons, the fact he calls the media for what they are, the fact he isn't politically correct, the fact he calls corrupt politicians for what they are. The main reason of course is the fact he's a nationalist and not a globalist and puts his own country first.

[martin_p]

Many reasons, the fact he calls the media for what they are, the fact he isn't politically correct, the fact he calls corrupt politicians for what they are. The main reason of course is the fact he's a nationalist and not a globalist and puts his own country first.

Like how he pays more income tax in other countries than the States?

[DomBFC1882]

You are just in your little echo chamber listening to what fits your agenda.

Why don’t the clueless and ignorant supporters of Trump read Max Boot (military historian and foreign policy expert) David Brooks (NYT) Mona Charen (republican speechwriter) Ana Navarro (Republican strategist) Richard Painter (ethics lawyer) Jenifer Rubin (Washington Post) Bret Stephen’s (Pulitzer Prize winning writer) - the list of critics is almost endless.

I suspect the real reason is that it’s easier to watch someone calling themselves MAGA Hulk on YouTube than read an article.

No, the fact the people people being interviewed are just normal hard working people and speak from the heart. Echo chamber? Nonsense. We have to put up with lies daily from the mainstream media so unlike you I do get 2 alternate sides of the media.

[joey13]

So this messageboard is still ok with racists to post on it ,

[RingoMcCartney]

"Antifa is just an idea, not an organisation " Jo Biden


The #antifa mob in Portland cheer as one of their comrades hurls an incendiary device atPortlandPolice


https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 9143238667


BLM-antifa rioters set the PortlandPolice central precinct on fire. They’ve also broken out the windows high up by throwing large rocks. #PortlandRiots #antifa


https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 4577175554


This has been happening for months. Yet the whataboutery from the usual suspects on here obsessing about what the Proud boys may or may not do is hilarious. But you can do that from a leafy village in north Lancashire. Thousands of miles away from the terrorist bloodshed perpetrated by violent Marxists that you're clearly giving you tacit approval to , cant you!

[DomBFC1882]

Like how he pays more income tax in other countries than the States?

What about the Russian collusion he was accused of for years by the left only to be disproved? What about hunter bidens dodgy dealings with the Ukraine and receiving millions from having nothing. Honestly smh.

[martin_p]

No, the fact the people people being interviewed are just normal hard working people and speak from the heart. Echo chamber? Nonsense. We have to put up with lies daily from the mainstream media so unlike you I do get 2 alternate sides of the media.

You didn’t respond when I asked you what these lies were. Want to try again?

[Burnley Ace]

No, the fact the people people being interviewed are just normal hard working people and speak from the heart. Echo chamber? Nonsense. We have to put up with lies daily from the mainstream media so unlike you I do get 2 alternate sides of the media.

You aren’t getting an alternative side of the media you are just getting a box-pop of Trump supporters. Where is the critical analysis and fact based evidence?

[Swizzlestick]

"What about....what about....what about...."

[RingoMcCartney]

Antifa using derogatory anti white racist term towards policeman.


“You lil’ white cracker” BLM-antifa rioters gathered outside the Penumbra Kelly police building in SE Portland tonight after the debate. They shut down the roads again. #PortlandRiots #antifa

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 7801468928

[DomBFC1882]

You didn’t respond when I asked you what these lies were. Want to try again?

You want to try many of the questions I've asked earlier which none of you can answer?

[aggi]

Ringo really does get hung up on where people live (if they disagree with him).

[martin_p]

What about the Russian collusion he was accused of for years by the left only to be disproved?

I thought you were all about the truth? Nothing was ‘disproved’, in fact the Muller Report specifically said it did not exonerate Trump. There was insufficient evidence to prove anything, but that’s not the same as ‘disproved’ by a long way.

[exilecanada]

Late to the party in this thread, better late than never. I didn't intend to watch the entire debate, just catch a bit and get the highlights later. Well, only 3 minutes in and the orange lunatic is arguing with the moderator, this could be a lot of fun to watch! Sure enough, best TV show I've seen for some time, the action never stopped! What I got out of the debate was Biden didn't do himself any harm, showed some restraint, brought forward his plans, despite motor mouth interrupting. It must be difficult to restrain oneself when the orange lunatic is the opposition. As for Donnie, he was on top form, showing his true colours, had no intention of sticking to rules he agreed to, throwing out personal attacks at will. I only hope and pray the undecided voters finally realised what a nasty piece of work he really is. The moderator should have had more control over proceedings, I'm sure he was biting his tongue trying not to tell Donnie 'stfu you fuc**n idiot'.

[RingoMcCartney]

If vote rigging is taking place on the Democratic side, how do you know it isn't taking place by the Republican party?

I dont. If it was proven, I'd condemn it immediately.

Want to take the opportunity to condemn it when its been proven to be happening on a massive scale by democracy usurping so called "democrats"?

Yes or no. ?

[DomBFC1882]

You aren’t getting an alternative side of the media you are just getting a box-pop of Trump supporters. Where is the critical analysis and fact based evidence?

Fact based evidence of? You mean the fact he said he'd build a wall and has done? Or shall we try lower black unemployment which he's done. Or maybe bring troops back from overseas caused by the Democrats. Or maybe the platinum plan he's putting into place? How about celebrities like denzel washinhton, lil Wayne calling out BLM for the **** they are and denying white supremacy??

[martin_p]

You want to try many of the questions I've asked earlier which none of you can answer?

If you can point to a question you’ve specifically aimed at me (most of your replies to me are name calling) then I’ll happily answer it.

[DomBFC1882]

I thought you were all about the truth? Nothing was ‘disproved’, in fact the Muller Report specifically said it did not exonerate Trump. There was insufficient evidence to prove anything, but that’s not the same as ‘disproved’ by a long way.

And all you're doing about Trump's taxes is accuse sooooo???

[Burnley Ace]

What about the Russian collusion he was accused of for years by the left only to be disproved?

The Muleller investigation? That has led to 6 former members of Trumps team being prosecuted and the White House blocking the full report from being published, the investigation that was unable to exonerate Trump from obstructing Justice?

You arent coming up with very good examples!!

[DomBFC1882]

If you can point to a question you’ve specifically aimed at me (most of your replies to me are name calling) then I’ll happily answer it.

Name calling? I haven't called you one name

[martin_p]

Leftie loons that's what you are and you only got called that after stereotyping everyone right wing for years

[DomBFC1882]

Name calling? I haven't called you one name

That's a quite ironic statement from the left btw

[martin_p]

And all you're doing about Trump's taxes is accuse sooooo???

Well no, his tax information is out there now. It’s a fact that in some of the years covered he paid more income tax in foreign countries than the States.

[PeterWilton]

How about bidens refusal to condemn the far left thugs ANTIFA and BLM? People defending their property is not white supremacy. Also trump has millions of black supporters so that arguments also flawed. How about Joe Bidens racism "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"? TRUMP 2020

Lol. "Far left thugs". "Joe Biden's racism"

This guy would have called MLK a "far left thug" back in the day.

Here's a fact for you. Only 7% of antifa and BLM protests this summer contained violence. Now I know you guys just love to take very small minorities of people and paint entire demographics with the same brush, but numbers don't lie.

And yes, you've got us there about Joe Biden's racism. That one time he said something racist by accident was indeed bad and he apologised. The thing is though, because he's not actually a racist he gets the benefit of the doubt. Most decent people understand how he slipped up, because most decent people understand that systemic racism exists and that black and ethnic minority kids are more likely to grow up poor because of it.

Trump's racism is deliberate though, and no doubt that's why you prefer him.

[martin_p]

That's a quite ironic statement from the left btw

Ok, I’ve provided an example of your name calling, find one where I do the same to you.

[DomBFC1882]

That's hardly an insult. No different to people on here calling me right wing and racist.

[PeterWilton]

Oh no. Dom's still going. I thought I was just responding to one very bad post but now I see there are many.

Poor Dom.

[PeterWilton]

That's hardly an insult. No different to people on here calling me right wing and racist.

*Ahem* Not names. *Ahem*

[martin_p]

That's hardly an insult. No different to people on here calling me right wing and racist.

So calling me a ‘loon’ is not an insult. Ok, at least we know where you set your standards.

And remember you claimed you hadn’t called me any names! I thought you were about the truth Dom!

[MT03ALG]

Trump is desperate to remain as President to keep himself out of jail.....

[PeterWilton]

Name one single ‘big win’. In 4 years.

He got a couple of miles of new wall built. The left said it couldn't be done, but he did it. What a hero.

I mean, I think it fell over but it was still built.

[DomBFC1882]

So calling me a ‘loon’ is not an insult. Ok, at least we know where you set your standards.

Same as Hilary Clinton's calling millions of Americans "deplorables" yet I bet you still supported her 4 years ago

[Burnley Ace]

Fact based evidence of? You mean the fact he said he'd build a wall and has done? Or shall we try lower black unemployment which he's done. Or maybe bring troops back from overseas caused by the Democrats. Or maybe the platinum plan he's putting into place? How about celebrities like denzel washinhton, lil Wayne calling out BLM for the **** they are and denying white supremacy??

Has he built a wall or is Steve Bannion been charged with Fraud?
Black unemployment is now at 16.3% (June 2020), the highest level since 2011
Bringing troops back or abandoning commitments the US had made after invading Iraq and Afghanistan?
The platinum plan - https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin ... 9e5a7e3af8
Some nice pre election razzmatazz- tax breaks for rich investors and making lynching a hate crime!!

[martin_p]

Same as Hilary Clinton's calling millions of Americans "deplorables" yet I bet you still supported her 4 years ago

What about.... what about.....

This isn’t about Hilary Clinton Dom, it’s about you.

So anyway, those mainstream media lies you were going to point me to.

[Spijed]

I dont. If it was proven, I'd condemn it immediately.

Want to take the opportunity to condemn it when its been proven to be happening on a massive scale by democracy usurping so called "democrats"?

Yes or no. ?

Massive scale by who?

That video proves nothing btw, apart from the fact that someone can easily make a video and have a few envelopes (piled up). Until there is real evidence of thousands of votes being piled up in boxes then no, there isn't massive fraud on the Democratic side.

[Lancasterclaret]

Important

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1 ... 0364149761

Not important

where people live

[martin_p]

Massive scale by who?

That video proves nothing btw, apart from the fact that someone can easily make a video and have a few envelopes (piled up). Until there is real evidence of thousands of votes being piled up in boxes then no, there isn't massive fraud on the Democratic side.

I like the bit where in interpreter (unbiased no doubt) talks over the actual words and the volume is set so no one can hear and translate what’s actually being said. He could be reciting his shopping list for all I know.

[DomBFC1882]

What about.... what about.....

This isn’t about Hilary Clinton Dom, it’s about you.

So anyway, those mainstream media lies you were going to point me to.

Its not about me at all, its about Trump v the Democrats. Quite happy to accept it as an insult when the "right" say it but when the left say it you blatantly refuse to acknowledge it let alone say its wrong.

[PeterWilton]

Spot on mate. Its a terrorist organisation funded by George Soros. These lefties are beyond help and the fact they keep losing is fantastic and shows that the silent majority is real

The Jews again, eh? It's always the Jews' fault with you lot.

Next you'll be telling us about The Great Replacement, and cultural Marxist.

I hope the moderators don't lock this thread because we need to be allowed to call out antisemitism like this. Otherwise it will fester, like an infection. We need to make sure these people know they're not welcome among us, and why.