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Kevin long
If Ben Mee not fit for next game Jimmy Dunne must play
Kev is 30, there can be no improvement to come
Dunne deserves a chance
Kev is 30, there can be no improvement to come
Dunne deserves a chance
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Re: Kevin long
Ok to fill in for the odd game here and there but not starting a number of matches. The fact he is is down to our p*ss poor recruitment. His display today was not good enough like most of the team.
Re: Kevin long
He looked like a fish out of water tonight
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Re: Kevin long
He's had decent games for us in the past but we have conceded identical goals in all our league games. The back 4 have been all over the place, Taylor has started the season very poorly too.
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Re: Kevin long
I thought Jimmy was hard-dunne-by TBH.
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Re: Kevin long
Or at least put Tarky at right centre back.
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Re: Kevin long
A good player, but nowhere near good enough for a PL defence and when you see the look on his face during games, he actually knows it!
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Re: Kevin long
The number of times I see on this board a post that says Long never lets us down - he's as slow as a cart horse, can't turn and is so easily brushed off the ball. I'd have Dunne and Thomas ahead of him to be honest.
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Re: Kevin long
Not keen on the threads targeting individuals, all were poor tonight, I don’t think it’s really necessary to start threads on individuals performances
Edit: probably just me being soft because I’ve not had a beer for once on a Saturday
Edit: probably just me being soft because I’ve not had a beer for once on a Saturday
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Re: Kevin long
Usually does okay for the first few game when he comes into the side, but give him an extended run in the side and he shows that he's nowhere near the standard required.
Unfortunately he's carried on from where he left off after the Brighton game.
Unfortunately he's carried on from where he left off after the Brighton game.
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Re: Kevin long
Lacking in confidence at out of his depth as the first two goals proved
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Re: Kevin long
That's an interesting observation. He does look worried/relieved at times.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 pmA good player, but nowhere near good enough for a PL defence and when you see the look on his face during games, he actually knows it!
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Re: Kevin long
He's League One standard. Fine here as fourth choice (in that he barely needs to play) anything more than that though is too much for him. Nowhere near good enough to be playing regularly at this level
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Re: Kevin long
League 1 at best.
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Re: Kevin long
ok what have you done with Claret Tony ?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 pmThe number of times I see on this board a post that says Long never lets us down - he's as slow as a cart horse, can't turn and is so easily brushed off the ball. I'd have Dunne and Thomas ahead of him to be honest.
If you are knocking a player it must be bad !!!!!
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Re: Kevin long
Long is a great squad man. He knows he’s not good enough to be anything other than a fill in, and doesn’t kick up a fuss about that.
The issue is when we sadly have to rely on him longer term. He was very poor tonight, not alone in that but it did stick out I’m sorry to say.
Dunne has done nothing wrong either so far and Bobby Thomas looked absolutely exceptional in the Cup - but the reality is we need a chuffing centre back. It’s been obvious all summer, it’s more obvious now than ever. If Mee isn’t imminently back it’s a real problem.
The issue is when we sadly have to rely on him longer term. He was very poor tonight, not alone in that but it did stick out I’m sorry to say.
Dunne has done nothing wrong either so far and Bobby Thomas looked absolutely exceptional in the Cup - but the reality is we need a chuffing centre back. It’s been obvious all summer, it’s more obvious now than ever. If Mee isn’t imminently back it’s a real problem.
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Re: Kevin long
He looks to me like a guy who can't believe he's being paid all that money and been given that job and that level of responsibility because in his heart he knows he really doesn't warrant it, especially when he looks at the players around him. It's like the young guy who was running the nuclear reactor rest at Chernobyl. Responsibility thrust upon him from above way beyond his capabilities and we know how that game ended don't we??
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Re: Kevin long
Long has had more good games than bad but Tarks is not the same player on the left and Dunne should come in, if only to get him back to RCB
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Re: Kevin long
I said it after the cup games, Dunne wins EVERYTHING in the air - we should use him in the same way we used Crouch, throw him up top if we are chasing the game - he'll win far more in the air than Vydra will !!
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Re: Kevin long
Over the last few games i'd like to see the stats that suggest KL has deserved to be selected ahead of JD.
Jimmy Dunne has looked really focused and up for it.
But SD tends to go for experience.
Jimmy Dunne has looked really focused and up for it.
But SD tends to go for experience.
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Re: Kevin long
And this, is down to the board, unequivocally. It is on them.jedi_master wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:32 pmLong is a great squad man. He knows he’s not good enough to be anything other than a fill in, and doesn’t kick up a fuss about that.
The issue is when we sadly have to rely on him longer term. He was very poor tonight, not alone in that but it did stick out I’m sorry to say.
Dunne has done nothing wrong either so far and Bobby Thomas looked absolutely exceptional in the Cup - but the reality is we need a chuffing centre back. It’s been obvious all summer, it’s more obvious now than ever. If Mee isn’t imminently back it’s a real problem.
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Re: Kevin long
100% Play your best player in their preferred position. Not the other way
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Re: Kevin long
He and 12 others looked lost and useless tonight.
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Re: Kevin long
Sooner Ben Mee is back and Cork the better.
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Re: Kevin long
Not so much knocking him but he's been in the team now for the last nine league games since Ben Mee was injured and we can't afford that. Our record overall with him in the team is anything but good over the years.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:31 pmok what have you done with Claret Tony ?
If you are knocking a player it must be bad !!!!!
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Re: Kevin long
It's ridiculous that we haven't signed Gibson's replacement.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:34 pmLong has had more good games than bad but Tarks is not the same player on the left and Dunne should come in, if only to get him back to RCB
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Re: Kevin long
don't disagree !!! As it is, and as you have stated for quite a while, something is very wrong at the club and that tonight reminded me of watching us under LawsClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:35 pmNot so much knocking him but he's been in the team now for the last nine league games since Ben Mee was injured and we can't afford that. Our record overall with him in the team is anything but good over the years.
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Re: Kevin long
Dreadful. Lightweight, bullied, poor distribution, makes our best player play out of position, as above looks like he’s amazed nothing bad has happened after every attack, heads it straight up instead of away, moves like quo from the Northampton 5 goal win in 91-92 and has that stupid flick of his hair on his forehead.
That being said for the odd game he’s a body for backup. Nothing more. He’s had enough chances to prove he can do it. I’d NEVER play him again in front of a promising kid.
Number maker upper only
That being said for the odd game he’s a body for backup. Nothing more. He’s had enough chances to prove he can do it. I’d NEVER play him again in front of a promising kid.
Number maker upper only
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Re: Kevin long
My feelings exactly. A good player and would walk into any Championship team imo, but at the level we are at you simply can't play him week in week out and expect to win too many games.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:35 pmNot so much knocking him but he's been in the team now for the last nine league games since Ben Mee was injured and we can't afford that. Our record overall with him in the team is anything but good over the years.
Re: Kevin long
What the very same ones who gave dyche 15 million for gibsonStevie Morgan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:34 pmAnd this, is down to the board, unequivocally. It is on them.
Re: Kevin long
He may be 30, but he shows a clear lack of experience. He has spent his career on our bench, when he could’ve forged one in the Championship (or even higher) easily if he’d wanted out. I respect his commitment, but he never has been, and never will be the answer.
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Re: Kevin long
Exactly. If he was 4th or 5th choice at this level, 100 minutes a season, fine. 1000 minutes - we will really struggle. 2000 minutes - we are down.
A side of our stature should have 2 backups at CB costing £5m-£10m. That we don’t have one (or have one who refuses to play) is jointly down to the manager and chairman. The chairman wouldn’t have baulked at a couple of £5m signings over the last couple of years. Had to be Dyche who decided his priorities were elsewhere. It is frustrating because it was so obvious and avoidable.
Re: Kevin long
He should be playing for Blackpool, not Burnley.
It was just about acceptable to have him as 4th choice in the championship, for him to be playing regular games for us in this league is frightening.
He is a terrible defender, he cannot actually defend very well.
He makes far too many errors and poor choices, there cannot be too many games we win when he is in the side.
Thankfully Sean knows he should be 4th choice at best, and touch wood get the funds to bring in a new 3rd choice CB.
It was just about acceptable to have him as 4th choice in the championship, for him to be playing regular games for us in this league is frightening.
He is a terrible defender, he cannot actually defend very well.
He makes far too many errors and poor choices, there cannot be too many games we win when he is in the side.
Thankfully Sean knows he should be 4th choice at best, and touch wood get the funds to bring in a new 3rd choice CB.
Re: Kevin long
Let's not this become all about Kevin Long, we have a manager who appears to be picking a team and playing a system that is pretty much making a point to the hierarchy.
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Re: Kevin long
I'm loving the Quow referenceRed Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:37 pmDreadful. Lightweight, bullied, poor distribution, makes our best player play out of position, as above looks like he’s amazed nothing bad has happened after every attack, heads it straight up instead of away, moves like quo from the Northampton 5 goal win in 91-92 and has that stupid flick of his hair on his forehead.
That being said for the odd game he’s a body for backup. Nothing more. He’s had enough chances to prove he can do it. I’d NEVER play him again in front of a promising kid.
Number maker upper only
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Re: Kevin long
8 wins from 37 games in the Premier League (stat is probably worse when only starts are counted, but I can’t find that).ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:35 pmNot so much knocking him but he's been in the team now for the last nine league games since Ben Mee was injured and we can't afford that. Our record overall with him in the team is anything but good over the years.
The biggest disappointment of my football life was turning up in Athens and seeing Long (and Gibson) starting. Sadly, and I’m not knocking him either, that means we’ll be up against it at this level.
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Re: Kevin long
Which Championship teams would he "walk into"?Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:38 pmMy feelings exactly. A good player and would walk into any Championship team imo, but at the level we are at you simply can't play him week in week out and expect to win too many games.
Might get games with some of those at the bottom, but wouldn't be a regular starter.
Re: Kevin long
No me neither, I didn’t see lack of effort from any player tonight, they all put in a shift, it just didn’t work out.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:28 pmNot keen on the threads targeting individuals, all were poor tonight, I don’t think it’s really necessary to start threads on individuals performances
Edit: probably just me being soft because I’ve not had a beer for once on a Saturday
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Re: Kevin long
Targeting of players has a long history on this board. See Hendrick.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 pmThe number of times I see on this board a post that says Long never lets us down - he's as slow as a cart horse, can't turn and is so easily brushed off the ball. I'd have Dunne and Thomas ahead of him to be honest.
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Re: Kevin long
We just have to pray neither Mee or Tarkowski get injured again this season.
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Re: Kevin long
I’d just add that it isn’t guaranteed yet that Tarky won’t be gone in 2 days.
We need at least one CB now. If Tarky goes, we need two.
We rely totally on our defensive solidity. Without that we will ship many goals and won’t score enough at the other end. In short, we’re gone if that happens.
We need at least one CB now. If Tarky goes, we need two.
We rely totally on our defensive solidity. Without that we will ship many goals and won’t score enough at the other end. In short, we’re gone if that happens.
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Re: Kevin long
I was once in holiday years ago and got chatting to a lad at the bar who was an ex pro at Northampton. He remembered that game and played in it. Said Quow was a great lad but limited footballer and he was their PFA rep. I said I’d never seen Mike Conroy outpace anyone and he absolutely rinsed him
Also said The Turf was v intimidating to come and play at
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You mean “always goes for experience” even if it’s to the detriment of the team. Dunne should be starting instead of Long. Infact the only thing Long is experienced at is avoiding playing football, largely, for 10 years. Bizarre career and incredibly fortunate to have had as much opportunity in the PL as he’s had.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:34 pmOver the last few games i'd like to see the stats that suggest KL has deserved to be selected ahead of JD.
Jimmy Dunne has looked really focused and up for it.
But SD tends to go for experience.
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Re: Kevin long
My feelings precisely. Surely it is better to give Dunne time next to Tarkowski..help him learn. Learn from a very experienced quality pro. Playing Long serves no purpose and leaves Dunne thinking when his chance will be and pondering his future with us.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 pmThe number of times I see on this board a post that says Long never lets us down - he's as slow as a cart horse, can't turn and is so easily brushed off the ball. I'd have Dunne and Thomas ahead of him to be honest.
I am sure Long is out of contract at the end of this season? Surely this is the time to let him go?
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Re: Kevin long
Said this on the lineup thread. He's OK as a bit part replacement but if it's the future we're looking to, we need to give Dunne all the gametime he can get!Down_Rover wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:20 pmIf Ben Mee not fit for next game Jimmy Dunne must play
Kev is 30, there can be no improvement to come
Dunne deserves a chance
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You could put it that way.SkiptonClaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:55 pmYou mean “always goes for experience” even if it’s to the detriment of the team. Dunne should be starting instead of Long. Infact the only thing Long is experienced at is avoiding playing football, largely, for 10 years. Bizarre career and incredibly fortunate to have had as much opportunity in the PL as he’s had.
I mean his tendency is to go for seasoned players. I think he is averse to trying young players unless forced.
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On a miserable night that's a nice storyRed Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:54 pmI was once in holiday years ago and got chatting to a lad at the bar who was an ex pro at Northampton. He remembered that game and played in it. Said Quow was a great lad but limited footballer and he was their PFA rep. I said I’d never seen Mike Conroy outpace anyone and he absolutely rinsed him
Also said The Turf was v intimidating to come and play at
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Re: Kevin long
Id fancy my chances against him and I only ever played pendle charity league
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