West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

[IanMcL]

Home games - it's costing me more, simple as that.

Away games - accept that I am saving a lot of money by not going.

I'm better off financially because I can't go to away games but if I watch the home games on PPV then I'm very much worse off and it is very much a lesser experience.

I understand the point you are making, however, perhaps the reality is that you (and I) both now benefit from an extremely beneficial price for watching Prem Football. Not only that, it is the team which gets our passions rising.

I just give thanks for the Directors(owners) of BFC, who offer such prices, when they could ask more.

By comparison, I have just read that Arsenal are going to screen their matches at the Emirates. 368 people can watch. Price £49.

Up the Clarets!!!!

[NewClaret]

Personally, I'm absolutely in favour of this and PPV. It should have been set up for the first game of the season.

For me it is significantly cheaper than going to the turf as I pay for two kids also. Not to mention the beers are cheaper from my fridge and I end up buying the kids something to eat/drink too. I go to fewer away games, but you can't even begin to compare the price for an adult + 2 kids when you factor in travel.

Season ticket refunds aside, I think this is a very fair compromise. I have no issues paying £15 to watch a game and will do so over an illegal stream (which I've used reluctantly for years due to absence of anything else). Particularly if the stream is good quality, I can watch it without foreign commentary and I can watch it on the TV (not iPad).

I'm sick of paying my Sky subscription just to watch us play City/United/Liverpool/Spurs, half the time I'm there anyway. I may cancel it now and just pay as I go.

As for the future, I think Sky/BT should all be awarded all games. You should then be able to pay for a variety of packages - all games, just your team - home, just your team - away, a selection (with the other broadcaster showing the opposite) or simply PPV. I'd most likely just go PPV because I very rarely get time/am inclined to watch anyone else other than Burnley.

[CFS]

I would buy a ST to watch online anyday.

[DCWat]

Personally, I'm absolutely in favour of this and PPV. It should have been set up for the first game of the season.

For me it is significantly cheaper than going to the turf as I pay for two kids also. Not to mention the beers are cheaper from my fridge and I end up buying the kids something to eat/drink too. I go to fewer away games, but you can't even begin to compare the price for an adult + 2 kids when you factor in travel.

Season ticket refunds aside, I think this is a very fair compromise. I have no issues paying £15 to watch a game and will do so over an illegal stream (which I've used reluctantly for years due to absence of anything else). Particularly if the stream is good quality, I can watch it without foreign commentary and I can watch it on the TV (not iPad).

I'm sick of paying my Sky subscription just to watch us play City/United/Liverpool/Spurs, half the time I'm there anyway. I may cancel it now and just pay as I go.

As for the future, I think Sky/BT should all be awarded all games. You should then be able to pay for a variety of packages - all games, just your team - home, just your team - away, a selection (with the other broadcaster showing the opposite) or simply PPV. I'd most likely just go PPV because I very rarely get time/am inclined to watch anyone else other than Burnley.

That would be fine as long as the monies taken were distributed fairly. Otherwise the gulf in the league will grow further.

I don’t mind the new PPV option, though there should be some balance to ensure that fans of all clubs are expected to pay a similar amount (if they wish to pay to watch their team). In the same way that teams are guaranteed to be on x times, the same approach should be taken for the PPV option.

Saying the above, I’m going to try out IPTV for the first time in a number of years. I’ll be amazed if I find one that is genuinely 1080p as everyone claims but we will see.

[Leisure]

I think when fans are eventually allowed back some clubs will get a real shock. Think Burnley, hard hit by furlough etc, low income area, fans furious with the club for not signing players and refunding ticket money, will have got out of the habit of going to the game, we might be in the championship, season ticket sales will plummet

I fully agree with this even with us still being in the PL and I think it will hit us badly, especially compared with the big clubs, which have waiting lists for ST's.

[bodge]

Does anyone know if the £14.95 will be split equally between the two clubs or will the home team get a greater share ?

[Leisure]

Just checked this out.

I live on my own so I'd be paying to watch it alone. To pay for the Chelsea home game will cost me £14.95. If I was able to go with my season ticket it would cost me £13.79 and that's in the most expensive seats.

But if you normally bought a Twix on the Turf you're quids in!

[NewClaret]

Hopefully monies are pooled across the PL teams and distributed evenly?

[Leisure]

It will be interesting to see the next round of 'free' live games.

Don't be at all surprised if the likes of Liverpool V United that Sky fawn over, happens to appear as a PPV game with Burnley V Brighton taking the Super Sunday Slot.

I'll hazard a guess that we end up with more live games than normal this year.

Interesting comment.

[NewClaret]

That would be fine as long as the monies taken were distributed fairly. Otherwise the gulf in the league will grow further.

I don’t mind the new PPV option, though there should be some balance to ensure that fans of all clubs are expected to pay a similar amount (if they wish to pay to watch their team). In the same way that teams are guaranteed to be on x times, the same approach should be taken for the PPV option.

Saying the above, I’m going to try out IPTV for the first time in a number of years. I’ll be amazed if I find one that is genuinely 1080p as everyone claims but we will see.

Yes, that goes without saying. If the deal here is that we only collect what sell while Man U et al cream it in, that’s different. My proposal is all money in a pot and distributed evenly.

Re: IPTV, do you basically mean one of those dodgy boxes?

[Billy Balfour]

Can I just point out again that it is not Sky and not BT Sport - this is the clubs who have done this and they will be claiming the money raised from those who pay to view.

Thanks for that. If that's the case, then I believe its been set too high. A tenner would be fairer for most folks, especially here in the north west, where many have been hit hard with redundancies and many more are about to see their wages reduced by a third.

[clarethomer]

Yes, that goes without saying. If the deal here is that we only collect what sell while Man U et al cream it in, that’s different. My proposal is all money in a pot and distributed evenly.

Re: IPTV, do you basically mean one of those dodgy boxes?

How much do you think Man Utd are losing per game they dont have fans in the ground?

How much does that compare to Burnley?

The broadcasting rights on the TV deal are shared equally and that has not changed.

All this is replacing is the clubs building their match day revenues outside of this deal. Will Man Utd earn more than Burnley? Undoubtedly but they would earn more than Burnley if the game was live and fans in the ground.

If the PPV revenues are shared, will there be winners/losers? I can't see that from the sense is that I can see all clubs potentially being able to earn more on PPV than gate receipts as we can only charge for 21k max on our home game - we could be getting 'viewing figures far greater than this' which we would be sharing.

Clearly the devil is in the detail but if the deal was for example - home team gets a higher % then we could still earn more money.

Nothing has changed other than we have probably given access to increase our 'stadium capacity' through this.

[Targetman]

If you feel that strongly about it make a stand and don't pay it, simple. It's not compulsory.

Will you be paying?

[ashtonlongsider]

I've not got a particular problem with PPV for games not schedule by the broadcasters. I'd imagine in the long run this is the way we're heading anyway in the long run. However the tariff is much too high. On a personal note after last weeks debacle at Newcastle I certainly won't be paying any extra for the WBA or Chelsea games. It was enough to warrant calling in the Samaritans.
I've never normally got anything good to say about Leicester, however I must applaud them for being the only club to vote against the PPV. I raise my hat to you Foxes.

[NewClaret]

How much do you think Man Utd are losing per game they dont have fans in the ground?

How much does that compare to Burnley?

The broadcasting rights on the TV deal are shared equally and that has not changed.

All this is replacing is the clubs building their match day revenues outside of this deal. Will Man Utd earn more than Burnley? Undoubtedly but they would earn more than Burnley if the game was live and fans in the ground.

If the PPV revenues are shared, will there be winners/losers? I can't see that from the sense is that I can see all clubs potentially being able to earn more on PPV than gate receipts as we can only charge for 21k max on our home game - we could be getting 'viewing figures far greater than this' which we would be sharing.

Clearly the devil is in the detail but if the deal was for example - home team gets a higher % then we could still earn more money.

Nothing has changed other than we have probably given access to increase our 'stadium capacity' through this.

Fair point. I’ve had a few beers & it’s been a long week so can’t think about this too hard.

My comment was more about the model I was proposing in my post for future post-covid:

- All games sold to BT/Sky (vs current model that they buy different games)
- Subscribers to their services should be anole to buy different packages e.g. all games, favourite team home, favourite team away, favourite team home & away, a selection, or none of the above and PPV.
- All money from all packages then pooled and distributed evenly throughout season.

In my view, the additional TV income used to lower ticket prices. A maximum ticket price for each match home and away - £10 adults. And one match should be shown on terrestrial TV each week (club shown an even number of times).

Accept that in the short term the PPV system is more support for clubs suffering lower match day income and it may only be fair to allow each club to collect their Matchday revenue.

[clarethomer]

Ha ha.. Im feeling the long week too!

You may find the way we watch football will make your thoughts become closer to reality than it could ever before be imagined.

All I have seen since march is - this will be over in 3 weeks, then we will be back before season ends, then the season will be extended and we will get in to see games by then. When all of that happened, we should be in by October. Every decision that has been made in terms of fans and the game has been purposefully short term.

The statement made by the league and the acceptance of refunding for the whole season and not just for games being missed on a monthly basis, tells me there is no confidence of getting fans back into the ground in the short term. Now the government are saying 6 months of turbulance. Thats March/April time - just as the season is about to close.

The world has truly changed so whilst your suggestion wouldn't work in normal times, I can certainly see that the direction could be this if we haven't found a longer term solution for this. i.e. herd immunity, or a vaccine. Without either of these, the balance of the economy and protecting the NHS is going to force the powers that be to re-think the way people watch football imo

[Dinks]

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Spot on...no one should have to pay that,greed at its finest!

[SGr]

Again, when refunds are available and all profits are going to clubs, I don’t see an alternative to this if we aren’t going to be allowed to attend normally this season.

I’d like to think the part time accountants on here who have been explaining away our lack of transfers will be in support...

[DCWat]

Yes, that goes without saying. If the deal here is that we only collect what sell while Man U et al cream it in, that’s different. My proposal is all money in a pot and distributed evenly.

Re: IPTV, do you basically mean one of those dodgy boxes?

Yes - on a firestick or similar. I need to find an IPTV that’s decent and understand what the hell to do

[theboydonegood]

The other options. Whilst protecting the income stream was to not show them at all

[Zlatan]

To compare watching football live in the ground versus on TV is a mistake IMO. It is comparable to watching the latest blockbuster film in an iMax theatre versus watching at home on your HD TV, the overall quality of the “product” is just not the same.

I buy a season ticket which means for me personally (ignoring the cost of my kids tickets) it costs about £20/game to watch, in addition to this I have travel costs of about £45/game and then incidentals like food which could be about £20/game. That’s a total of about £85/game for me to go - and win lose or draw - it’s worth it for the match day experience.

With Covid and being unable to have that match day experience anymore I’ve lost my love for the game, and I’ve even struggled to be bothered to watch the free to view games mainly because it’s a heavily diluted form of what I like, and it doesn’t do football any justice at all. I won’t be paying £14.95 to watch any games, not a chance. I may have considered a price of about £5/game perhaps, but only after receiving my refund for my season ticket.

I think the clubs have missed a trick here by not arranging a discount for season ticket holders, or arranging for the cost to come out of the ST refund for the season. Another poster above raised the important point that what should happen is all the income from this should be pooled and distributed evenly between the clubs - which would have been fair. Of course if they are money grabbing they’d be ensuring Man Utd; City and Liverpool etc would be all PPV and Burnley and Fulham etc were on standard subscription channels to maximise income... so I suppose it’s not as bad as it seems.

I’ll probably look for an illegal stream if I choose to watch us, which I probably won’t.

[aggi]

It doesn't cost you more to watch Burnley though than it did before lockdown if you were paying adult prices. No arguing against that and as a Burnley fan, that is the only comparison you should be making in this.

The issue there is you're directly equating watching on TV to watching at the ground. They're very different things.

[Quickenthetempo]

Yes - on a firestick or similar. I need to find an IPTV that’s decent and understand what the hell to do

Are you on Facebook?

[Devils_Advocate]

Yes - on a firestick or similar. I need to find an IPTV that’s decent and understand what the hell to do

IPTV isn't a firestick or a box but is just the delivery of television content over the internet. I subscribe to an IPTV service and I can watch it on my TV via an android box or firestick but equally I can watch it through an App straight onto my Smart TV or watch it on my phone, IPad and laptop.

I think best bet for you is to just use the free links posted on here cos by time you've sussed out IPTV we'll be back playing in the Championship

[FCBurnley]

UK football fans are being royally screwed by Sky etc. Here in USA we pay $4.99 per MONTH for live coverage of ALL Premier League games.

[clarethomer]

The issue there is you're directly equating watching on TV to watching at the ground. They're very different things.

Which is why I think £15 is fair when it costs me £23 to watch it in the ground? If I decided to go to west brom my £15 is fair when that would have probably cost closer to £30.

[DCWat]

Are you on Facebook?

Yes

[Goobs]

UK football fans are being royally screwed by Sky etc. Here in USA we pay $4.99 per MONTH for live coverage of ALL Premier League games.

Just pop your address (and bank details) on here and those with a VPN can sign up for an American TV account

We'll all pay you back

[DCWat]

IPTV isn't a firestick or a box but is just the delivery of television content over the internet. I subscribe to an IPTV service and I can watch it on my TV via an android box or firestick but equally I can watch it through an App straight onto my Smart TV or watch it on my phone, IPad and laptop.

I think best bet for you is to just use the free links posted on here cos by time you've sussed out IPTV we'll be back playing in the Championship

I know it’s not the firestick - I’ve a smart TV so if I can do it on that, even better.

[ClaretTony]

But if you normally bought a Twix on the Turf you're quids in!

I don’t and I wouldn’t buy any of the overpriced food and drink on the Turf

[ClaretTony]

UK football fans are being royally screwed by Sky etc. Here in USA we pay $4.99 per MONTH for live coverage of ALL Premier League games.

Not Sky. It’s the clubs.

[FCBurnley]

Not Sky. It’s the clubs.

Whoever it is you are being ripped off

[FCBurnley]

Just pop your address (and bank details) on here and those with a VPN can sign up for an American TV account

We'll all pay you back

I am sure some smart tech guy will be able to supply the US stream to UK viewers.

[Quickenthetempo]

Yes

If you want the service you can friend request me and I will add you to a group.

[Rodleydave]

Annoying at first and then I think petrol from Leeds and a programme is £15, so paying the extra breaks even so will no doubt stump up. For anyone travelling longer distances it’s a reasonable price to watch games.

[DCWat]

If you want the service you can friend request me and I will add you to a group.

Great stuff, thank you - what name am I looking for?

[Quickenthetempo]

Great stuff, thank you - what name am I looking for?

Let me know when you have it so I can delete

[Zlatan]

**** *******
Let me know when you have it so I can delete

It’s out there now

[Quickenthetempo]

It’s out there now

Funny man. Now delete please

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Annoying at first and then I think petrol from Leeds and a programme is £15, so paying the extra breaks even so will no doubt stump up. For anyone travelling longer distances it’s a reasonable price to watch games.

Compared to the hundred odd quid it would cost me and the 6-7 hours of driving...its a bargain price.

[Quickenthetempo]

Great stuff, thank you - what name am I looking for?

Have you got it?

[Zlatan]

Funny man. Now delete please

Unless you’ve missed it, you’re the one with your real name on a post not me... I didn’t leave your name in my quote.

[Quickenthetempo]

Unless you’ve missed it, you’re the one with your real name on a post not me... I didn’t leave your name in my quote.

It was in your quote at first. I presumed you did it to be funny and not an arse?

Either way it's gone.

[Zlatan]

It was in your quote at first. I presumed you did it to be funny and not an arse?

Either way it's gone.

I was trying for humour and then realised within 5 seconds it was wrong so I changed it, apologies

[DCWat]

Have you got it?

Sorry QTT just signed back in, drop me an email at *************** and I’ll pick up from there. Much appreciated.

[Sproggy]

There is nothing to compare between a proper match day, the build up, the travel to the Turf, meeting your mates, catching up over a few beers, the anticipation of the walk to the ground, the atmosphere on Harry Potts Way, the walk up the stairs to your seat, the noise inside the ground, the crowd reaction to the players during the game, the players rising to the crowd, the feeling of being part of it when we score.and the feeling of joy when we win or disappointment when we lose vs. watching the players play these full contact training games in empty stadia with fake crowd noise. £14.95 my arse.

[Paulclaret]

It's not so much the £14.95 that annoys me, it's the ridiculous times the games are being played. I would happily pay to watch the game at 3pm on a Saturday (or similar time). I'm certainly not going to pay to watch the game at 5.30 on a Monday or 8pm on a Saturday night for that matter. These times are set to suit the TV companies so they can show them around the world without clashing with their existing live games.

[Grumps]

I don’t and I wouldn’t buy any of the overpriced food and drink on the Turf

I wouldn't pay, but if I did I would save a fortune on actually attending. You have to remember many of us don't live in Burnley, so when you factor in travelling costs, ticket prices, food and drink, paying 15 quid would save me around £50 a game.

[RammyClaret61]

These times are set to suit the TV companies so they can show them around the world without clashing with their existing live games.

Actually because of time differences, that’s irrelevant. This game for us in now 3:30 on a Tuesday morning.
All the weekend 3pm games are live, they’re each on their own channel, you can choose which game to watch.
For us here in Australia. Channel one is the worse to be on. There they have “goal rush” so every time there is a goal in another game, they show it, therefore you miss a lot of your game.

[NewClaret]

Yes - on a firestick or similar. I need to find an IPTV that’s decent and understand what the hell to do

I really don’t understand what a “firestick” is but I don’t fancy putting one in to my TV!!