ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:53 pm

Presuming if the takeover talks are still ongoing and not looking like they will be completed anytime soon there is zero chance of us making any signings by Monday?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Spiral » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:57 pm

Let's all just take a minute to appreciate the sheer poetic beauty of the 1000th post on this thread being one asking if we're signing anyone!!!
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:43 pm
I believe you are totally wrong in that assumption
I could well be, it’s my opinion not a factual accuracy. It’s difficult to have a public opinion on a private matter.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:04 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:57 pm
Just a thought but, this thread is a bit like the "imminent" transfers thread.
One or two people who claim to be "in the know" making various statements which never pan out of course. Fast forward a week and they are back making new statements and some people on here take it as gospel - again.
I really find it hard to believe that anyone who was actually in the know would bother putting it on here, whether it be takeover related or transfer related.
All good fun I suppose though.

PS I know for a FACT that the takeover will be completed by Christmas and we will get 4 top signings in the next window and 6 in the one after that.
I think that there’s been more than enough given and validated to give credit to the information some posters have passed on.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:08 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:57 pm
If you think that it makes a blind bit of difference what division we are in when, as you believe, we move to a franchise model, you're kidding yourself.

I always thought when Phil Gartside was pushing for the drawbridge to be pulled up a decade or more ago that it was very bold of him to assume that Bolton would amongst the chosen few. There is absolutely no chance that a club the size of ours will be included in the elite ahead of clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Derby and Forest. Even Sunderland or Portsmouth from League One could probably put together a better business case - for that is what it will depend on, not what division you happen to be in when the music stops.

I personally don't believe we will move to a franchise model any time soon - it is totally alien to British (and even European) sporting culture. I've no doubt that "Project Big Picture" would greatly improve the chances of it happening though, which is why it needs to be opposed.
I think whoever is at the top table will remain at the top table regardless of the stature of the sleeping giants in the abyss.

Much like we band behind Lancashire in cricket when we support various local teams. Or when you look at the Super 15 rugby model and how that breaks down into regional and local teams.

I agree that franchise football is a while off, but it also there on the horizon, and needs to be factored into the planning.

Lancashire is a very large county, and currently we sit atop the pile.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:43 pm

"I think whoever is at the top table will remain at the top table regardless of the stature of the sleeping giants in the abyss."

Why do you think this?

The only way we'd get a "franchise" is if we agreed to merge with Blackburn (yeah, right!) and possibly one of two other localish clubs and call ourselves Northern Nomads or something equally stupid and Americanised. Is that really the future you want?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by lrac » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:21 pm

I have a feeling this will all blow over

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:42 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:43 pm
"I think whoever is at the top table will remain at the top table regardless of the stature of the sleeping giants in the abyss."

Why do you think this?

The only way we'd get a "franchise" is if we agreed to merge with Blackburn (yeah, right!) and possibly one of two other localish clubs and call ourselves Northern Nomads or something equally stupid and Americanised. Is that really the future you want?
Why would we merge?

We would simply be the biggest club in Lancashire and overtime we would grow and the supporting base would culturally shift to being Burnley fans....

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:48 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:42 pm
Why would we merge?

We would simply be the biggest club in Lancashire and overtime we would grow and the supporting base would culturally shift to being Burnley fans....
I have always thought that the Burnley franchise (if that is what was to happen to the League) would end up in Ireland

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by aggi » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Spiral wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:57 pm
Let's all just take a minute to appreciate the sheer poetic beauty of the 1000th post on this thread being one asking if we're signing anyone!!!
Unfortunately that was the 1,001st post.

Although the 1,000th post was a reasonable microcosm of the thread as well

I believe you are totally wrong in that assumption
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:55 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:42 pm
Why would we merge?

We would simply be the biggest club in Lancashire and overtime we would grow and the supporting base would culturally shift to being Burnley fans....
Like most of what you’ve written on this thread, DJW, this is pure fantasy.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by mill hill claret » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:55 pm
Like most of what you’ve written on this thread, DJW, this is pure fantasy.
To be fair ...he did mention the takeover before it even came out into the press / media so you've got to give him that

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Spiral » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:19 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:54 pm
Unfortunately that was the 1,001st post.

Although the 1,000th post was a reasonable microcosm of the thread as well

I believe you are totally wrong in that assumption
Aah damn, I've misread the replies number as the no. of posts, but #1000 makes it even better!

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Nonayforever » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:19 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:33 pm

The media picking up on the ‘plans’ for the league can only further highlight the need to be at the top table at the moment. We’ve a premier league club, with a premier league vote, that’s for sale when the demand and desire has skyrocketed.
That is quite an interesting statement.
If an alliance between Man Utd & Liverpool, ie ALK, were to buy a vote for £100 million, that is short change in the overall future picture of the money to be earned from a PL being run in the way they envisage.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:44 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:55 pm
Like most of what you’ve written on this thread, DJW, this is pure fantasy.
I believe there have been talks with ALK and I’m not sure whether things have ended or are still progressing. However I have been told that a certain poster on this board who claims to know things doesn’t have clue.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:45 pm

mill hill claret wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 pm
To be fair ...he did mention the takeover before it even came out into the press / media so you've got to give him that
Given the first inkling of it was in 2018 that’s no big deal. We did issue a prospectus if you recall in the search for new investment.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:44 pm
I believe there have been talks with ALK and I’m not sure whether things have ended or are still progressing. However I have been told that a certain poster on this board who claims to know things doesn’t have clue.
This is marlonspants’ ‘huge news’ all over again.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same bloke.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Targetman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:18 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:57 pm
Just a thought but, this thread is a bit like the "imminent" transfers thread.
One or two people who claim to be "in the know" making various statements which never pan out of course. Fast forward a week and they are back making new statements and some people on here take it as gospel - again.
I really find it hard to believe that anyone who was actually in the know would bother putting it on here, whether it be takeover related or transfer related.
All good fun I suppose though.

PS I know for a FACT that the takeover will be completed by Christmas and we will get 4 top signings in the next window and 6 in the one after that.
Completely agree Captain.

If you are in the know because your close friend or relative works for the club/is close to the player/the players agent/is a journalist or something similar, then why would you betray their confidence and post their secret on this forum?

Then if it turns out that what you have said on here is absolutely incorrect no one will remember that it was you who said it!

So then you can continue to post more rubbish whenever you want just so that people will think you are "in the know"!

I'm looking forward to these 10 top signings Capt. 😁

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:44 pm
I believe there have been talks with ALK and I’m not sure whether things have ended or are still progressing. However I have been told that a certain poster on this board who claims to know things doesn’t have clue.
The fact that ALK exists and that there have been talks is public knowledge - I started this thread when a friend of mine told me it had appeared on Reuter’s. the following 20 pages has been a mixture of speculation and, frankly, utter ********.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by mill hill claret » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:45 pm
Given the first inkling of it was in 2018 that’s no big deal. We did issue a prospectus if you recall in the search for new investment.
2018 was 2 years ago ...this bloke said 2 months ago something was going on ...he was bang on

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by mill hill claret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:02 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:45 pm
Given the first inkling of it was in 2018 that’s no big deal. We did issue a prospectus if you recall in the search for new investment.
2018 was 2 years ago ...this bloke said 2 months ago something was going on ...he was bang on

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:59 am

mill hill claret wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:50 pm
2018 was 2 years ago ...this bloke said 2 months ago something was going on ...he was bang on
Been going on a lot longer than two months

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by mill hill claret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:18 am

How much longer ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:26 am

I think they should dissolve their current company and form a new one called AFK Capital.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Foshiznik » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:44 am

Everyone is concerned about this due to the fact that ALK Capital will want to make money from it. The club needs to be successful to be profitable. Why would it not be a better picture financially and potentially competitively?

The only concern I have is the lack of adoration for our club and the loss of any identity we have with supporters owning the club.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:30 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:59 am
Been going on a lot longer than two months
So you’ve asked someone about me, and they’ve told you I know nothing?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:33 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:55 pm
Like most of what you’ve written on this thread, DJW, this is pure fantasy.
I’m unsure what your claiming is fantasy?

I’ve been consistent throughout with the takeover.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:43 am

Where to start?

Your assertion that buying Burnley Football Club is in some way a conduit to investment opportunities in the Northern Powerhouse - itself little mote than a marketing campaign?

Wild speculation about a “devolved North” or “Devolved Lancashire”?

Burnley being part of a franchised Premier League - even, at one point, part of an “elite European structure”?

I’m not sure what would be worse - that your proximity to/involvement with the people behind this bid is pure fantasy, or that you are in some way involved and the people behind it actually believe this stuff!

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:16 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:30 am
So you’ve asked someone about me, and they’ve told you I know nothing?
Interestingly he didn't name anyone, but you're assuming it's you.
There has been more than one person claiming to be in the know.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:44 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:16 am
Interestingly he didn't name anyone, but you're assuming it's you.
There has been more than one person claiming to be in the know.
I was enquiring, seems I was taking some stick from a few and put two and two together! 🤦🏻

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:56 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:43 am
Where to start?

Your assertion that buying Burnley Football Club is in some way a conduit to investment opportunities in the Northern Powerhouse - itself little mote than a marketing campaign?

Wild speculation about a “devolved North” or “Devolved Lancashire”?

Burnley being part of a franchised Premier League - even, at one point, part of an “elite European structure”?

I’m not sure what would be worse - that your proximity to/involvement with the people behind this bid is pure fantasy, or that you are in some way involved and the people behind it actually believe this stuff!
I don’t see how you can’t see that an acquisition of BFC wouldn’t be a front for wider business activity across the North. Even the owners of Man City, with their wealth, use it as a front to enable them to access the Manchester business infrastructure and community’s. If you look closely you can see the lines being drawn financially between Leeds and Manchester.

A devolved North is widely accepted as inevitable in local and national government. The Northern powerhouse is already in situ and is growing. There’s loads online to keep you busy reading about it.

A devolved Lancashire, imo will happen, it’s being discussed at both local and national level. Not full Independence ala Scotland, but certainly a breakaway of some sort.

You can see Burnham already peacocking, as he has been for months. You can’t move on Twitter without a king in the north comment or meme.

We can agree, disagree, or agree to disagree.

I’ve never said it was my deal, I given what I knew and was told. There’s a hundred moving parts in these deals, brokers, legal, advisors, vendors, acquisition teams and so on. Everyone knows a part of the picture.

I spoke last year, as did others about the club being prepared for sale. Yes, we openly sought investment 36 odd months ago, but it was clear that financially we shut up shop, to prep for a takeover at the end of last year.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:10 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:44 am
I was enquiring, seems I was taking some stick from a few and put two and two together! 🤦🏻
When is McNeil leaving again, Daniel?

:lol:
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:21 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:10 am
When is McNeil leaving again, Daniel?

:lol:
’Dwight’s gone’

Maybe Danieljwatercloset meant that Dwight’s gone and signed a new contract.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Turfytop » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:27 am

Looks like it’s get at Daniel day today, you carry on posting mate, Ignore em, plenty of us interested in what you have to say
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:31 am

Turfytop wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:27 am
Looks like it’s get at Daniel day today, you carry on posting mate, Ignore em, plenty of us interested in what you have to say
Not at all. But when someone states as fact that McNeill has left then you’ve got to question the credibility of the other things they post.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:37 am

Turfytop wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:27 am
Looks like it’s get at Daniel day today, you carry on posting mate, Ignore em, plenty of us interested in what you have to say
Lickspittle.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:38 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:10 am
When is McNeil leaving again, Daniel?

:lol:
I apologised as promised! 😂😂😂😂

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Grumps » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:40 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:31 am
Not at all. But when someone states as fact that McNeill has left then you’ve got to question the credibility of the other things they post.
If we took that attitude with every poster who got 'facts' wrong... It would be a very quiet board.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:40 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:38 am
I apologised as promised! 😂😂😂😂
I must've missed that.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:42 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:31 am
Not at all. But when someone states as fact that McNeill has left then you’ve got to question the credibility of the other things they post.
I think, that I was clear throughout that the transfers and takeover are two different things and that I was passing on transfers as a third party.

Jesus wept! 😂
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:42 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:40 am
I must've missed that.
It was on a thread! Bang after the window shut! 😂

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:43 am

Bullshit that only a mother could love!

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:50 am

Grumps wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:40 am
If we took that attitude with every poster who got 'facts' wrong... It would be a very quiet board.
There’s getting facts wrong and there’s posting from a self-appointed position of ‘in the know’ and making claims that are basically lies. For example; ‘Dwight’s gone’.

DJW may well have a ‘source’, but so far that source hasn’t proven very trustworthy as I don’t think a single one of his claims have come to pass. I think it’s perfectly fair for people to then question these ‘in the know’ claims.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:55 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:42 am
I think, that I was clear throughout that the transfers and takeover are two different things and that I was passing on transfers as a third party.

Jesus wept! 😂
So you’re not passing on information about the takeover as a third party?

If you hear some gossip from someone it’s best not to pass it off as fact, otherwise you need to accept that when it’s proven incorrect it will be called out as BS.

Tarkowski to Leicester being another, it was all done and dusted but waiting for a makeweight player to come in the opposite direction wasn’t it?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:09 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:30 am
So you’ve asked someone about me, and they’ve told you I know nothing?
No

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Archer » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:10 am

The problem with inside information is that things often change. If people waited and leaked it later it would be more accurate but less fun on here. A lot of interesting contributions and interpretations on the takeover from 1 or 2 posters, hopefully they continue.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:15 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:42 am
I think, that I was clear throughout that the transfers and takeover are two different things and that I was passing on transfers as a third party.

Jesus wept! 😂
No need to blaspheme !

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Top Claret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:21 am

If we are to be taken over the sooner the better, if not I wish the interested party would walk away, then our board can seek other means of investment.

At the moment the club is in limbo which is having a determental effect on our future as a premier league club

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Grumps » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:34 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:50 am
There’s getting facts wrong and there’s posting from a self-appointed position of ‘in the know’ and making claims that are basically lies. For example; ‘Dwight’s gone’.

DJW may well have a ‘source’, but so far that source hasn’t proven very trustworthy as I don’t think a single one of his claims have come to pass. I think it’s perfectly fair for people to then question these ‘in the know’ claims.
I don't disagree, but there are plenty of other, prominent posters done exactly the same at one point or another, on a range of subjects

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:38 am

Grumps wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:34 am
I don't disagree, but there are plenty of other, prominent posters done exactly the same at one point or another, on a range of subjects
How do you become a prominent poster?
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