I know mate, nothing wrong with healthy debate. I think the VAR has a more complex system than what we see on tv. For example, they’ve got to make sure that the line is taken vertically down from the furthest point on the players body, which means that the lines on the ground often don’t look to line up with the players bodies.Goodclaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:50 pmOk, maybe then. If that's the case it's pointless showing us anything on tv.
Not having a go Riley as I usually go with the offsides as they should be black and white. This just looked wrong.
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Which part of him is in advance of the defenders foot there?
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Once the lines are confirmed they are made thicker so they can be seen more easily on TV.
The offside lines are drawn against the parts of the body of attacking and defending players that can be used to score goals. (These parts of the body are the same for all players, no matter their playing position)
The lines can also take into account parts of the body off the ground, such as a player’s shoulder, which is shown as a 3D vertical line.
The positioning of the crosshair is manual, with a line one-pixel wide, so that the exact position of the offside line and the relevant body part can be accurately identified by the VAR.
Mane must have had his pixels offside - as nothing else is
The offside lines are drawn against the parts of the body of attacking and defending players that can be used to score goals. (These parts of the body are the same for all players, no matter their playing position)
The lines can also take into account parts of the body off the ground, such as a player’s shoulder, which is shown as a 3D vertical line.
The positioning of the crosshair is manual, with a line one-pixel wide, so that the exact position of the offside line and the relevant body part can be accurately identified by the VAR.
Mane must have had his pixels offside - as nothing else is
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I don’t think it’s a case of evidence being withheld. I just read that the VAR’s technology is more complex than the fat lines we see drawn on our screens.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:52 pmNot heard about evidence being withheld from the tv viewing public. What would be the reason behind that?
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Possibly his shoulder? Like I say, we only see the lines on the ground.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:54 pmWhich part of him is in advance of the defenders foot there?
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I suppose we just have to trust the technology thenRileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:54 pmI know mate, nothing wrong with healthy debate. I think the VAR has a more complex system than what we see on tv. For example, they’ve got to make sure that the line is taken vertically down from the furthest point on the players body, which means that the lines on the ground often don’t look to line up with the players bodies.
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Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like it at all and I don’t trust the technology as we know that the margin of error is too large to correctly call decisions as tight as that. But every offside decision is now measured with the same tool and same margin of error, so as crap as it is, it’s consistent.
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Because punching someone is violent conduct and a bad tackle is serious foul play.Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:51 pmWhy wasn’t he given a red? Not watching it live.
Surely the game continues and if he’d punched him it’d be a red so why not for the tackle
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Doesn't the AVAR deal with offsides?huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:27 pmThat is the worstofficiated match I’ve ever witnessed.
David Coote should never be on VAR again. The lines for both the VVD incident and Hendersons goal were shocking. Mane in particular the line was taken from his elbow.
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Was today's game the first draw this season?
Also, Chelsea 1-0 Southampton
Also, Chelsea 1-0 Southampton
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Chelsea drew at West Brom, Leeds against City as well.
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Chelsea beating Soton 2-0, Werner gets his second.
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And Spurs v Newcastle.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:30 pmChelsea drew at West Brom, Leeds against City as well.
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If you refer back to the photo on page 1 the line is clearly going down from Mane’s elbow, a part of your body you can’t score with. Slide it back to his shoulder or arse, that he can score with, and he is onside.
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Southampton pull one back. 2-1.
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That image doesn’t even show the line going up to the shoulder. That line to me looks like it’s shown indicatively to let the viewer know that the part of the body judged to be offside is off the ground.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:44 pmIf you refer back to the photo on page 1 the line is clearly going down from Mane’s elbow, a part of your body you can’t score with. Slide it back to his shoulder or arse, that he can score with, and he is onside.
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i thought he clearly handled the ball!.........anyone else?
they didn't review it.
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Pretty much, because the definition of serious foul play includes challenging for the ball, so if the ball is dead, it can't be serious foul play. Whether the incident constitutes violent conduct or not is a different question.Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:39 pmSo serious foul play is null and void if they’re offside when you smash them?
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Now 2-2
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Some crazy scores so far this season.
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3-2 Chelsea.
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Forest score against Woversin 90th minute, winning 0-1. Woohoo!!
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Southampton level. 3-3.
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Chelsea 3 Soton 3, plenty of goals in PL again.
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Oldham go 1-2 up against Bolton in 95th minute.....shame.
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Fair to say that any keeper with just a few clean sheets is likely to win the golden glove this season!
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Rovers get beat by late Forest goal. Why do I feel happy about that?
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A high scoring season does not suit us.
Something is going on, maybe the lack of crowds mean team are more relaxed defensively. All I know is cleans sheet help us to 3 points and if our defense declines as is what seems to be the trend that's one of our most powerful asset neutralized.
Something is going on, maybe the lack of crowds mean team are more relaxed defensively. All I know is cleans sheet help us to 3 points and if our defense declines as is what seems to be the trend that's one of our most powerful asset neutralized.
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Probably why Sheff United are struggling.
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It's in the DNA, mate.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:54 pmRovers get beat by late Forest goal. Why do I feel happy about that?
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Great day for Scholes. Salford lose their first game. Tactical masterclass getting rid of Grezza
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Good to see Rovers and Bolton get beat
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Excellent finish by Sterling.
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Someone recently posted that we should sign Joe Lolley from Forest. For one very definite reason today I’m pleased we didn’t.
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Good, I want City to bear Arsenal . City always look good going forward, great movement, inter-passing and loads of skill.
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Arsenal look a much better side on the ball than previous seasons, but they're always going to struggle against the big boys with that defence.
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**** manager, only got the job for obvious reasons.
Always made me laugh how Scholes was paid well for being a player and so kept his mouth shut. He retires; realises he's not earning the stupid amounts he was being paid; realises he has no other talent whatsoever; so then starts shouting off and making the headlines.
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The PL is becoming a total joke.
I've all but had enough of it
I've all but had enough of it
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Blatant pen.
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Laughable decisions from the officials in the studio.
They really are awful in general.
They really are awful in general.
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You've not had a very good day ? Hope you ok Tony.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:56 pmNot particularly I’m afraid. I’ve not had a very good day at all today.
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How many tactical fouls do City commit a game.
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What you really need is some points on the board.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:52 pmOne or two health issues, nothing serious but causing me some problems, and one or two other family matters. Nothing that I should get too concerned about really. Thanks for asking, I appreciate it.
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Liverpool have asked the Premier League to investigate the BAR decisions from today’s game
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... at-everton
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... at-everton