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I don't see a single thing wrong with what he said - it's called ambition, too many people lack it
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Is the last comment a pop at Gomez, who has today been injured in England training?
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No issues with Tarky.
He’s given his all to the cause for a number of years.
But at some point, and it would appear we’re quickly coming to that point, where even the grafters have had enough of grafting.
Where’s the incentive for players like Tarkowski?
The last 2/3/4 transfer windows have shown that this isn’t a progressive club.
Edit- our complete and utter failure to strengthen this window, or do any business that indicates some sort of coherent strategy, has done irreparable damage.
He’s given his all to the cause for a number of years.
But at some point, and it would appear we’re quickly coming to that point, where even the grafters have had enough of grafting.
Where’s the incentive for players like Tarkowski?
The last 2/3/4 transfer windows have shown that this isn’t a progressive club.
Edit- our complete and utter failure to strengthen this window, or do any business that indicates some sort of coherent strategy, has done irreparable damage.
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Clear that he was in the Dyche/Garlick battle ground during the last window. It's blatantly obvious that Southgate has decided he wants him playing elsewhere if he's going to select him for England, I remain mystified there can be any sensible reason for him not getting in during last season when he was in such outstanding form. If he does his best for us for the rest of the time he's here, then he will certainly leave with my blessing.
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Yeah, I agree the interview is unnecessary. It's not like other clubs won't know his contact situation. I'm sure his agent is already talking to people anyway.
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Not at all. But there is more money to be made in advertising with the 'bigger clubs'
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Must be difficult for someone who works hard on the pitch and gives his all for the Club to know there are players out there like Carroll, Drinkwater, Wilshere who do little to nothing and get paid possibly twice as much because of where they are/were employed.
Football finance at this level is beyond Burnley and has been ever since promotion, even this supposed takeover will likely see us still at the bottom of the pile unable to compete with the wages DEMANDED by players.
Football finance at this level is beyond Burnley and has been ever since promotion, even this supposed takeover will likely see us still at the bottom of the pile unable to compete with the wages DEMANDED by players.
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You are seriously suggesting that Southgate is not picking him for England just because he plays for Burnley ?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:54 pmClear that he was in the Dyche/Garlick battle ground during the last window. It's blatantly obvious that Southgate has decided he wants him playing elsewhere if he's going to select him for England, I remain mystified there can be any sensible reason for him not getting in during last season when he was in such outstanding form. If he does his best for us for the rest of the time he's here, then he will certainly leave with my blessing.
Unbelievable
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Somehow doubt tarks is the only one with moving on their mind that are employed at burnley!
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“In terms of playing, nothing changes,” said Tarkowski. “My desire to want to be at my best for me and for the team never changes. I’ve got relationships at Burnley that I will want to keep for the rest of my life, so for me to just down tools and say, ‘this is it’, it wouldn’t be right and I wouldn’t want to. I want to perform for Burnley, they have given me a great opportunity to play in the Premier League, something which I’ve loved over the last four years.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:31 pmYou live in fantasy land
He has just said to national press “There is nothing I have heard or has been put to me that makes me think there is a scenario in which I would sign a new contract at Burnley”
Drama queen
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Why do you think a lot of fans still want him in to play ?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:14 pmI can’t understand how any fan would want a player that just told the national press he doesn’t want to be at the club in the team.
Because in the back of his mind he knows if he gets a serious injury his dream of moving to a so called champions league squad will disappear
Even an unhappy Tarks who is committed to leaving is a lot better than Long or Dunne - and that’s nothing against those 2 players but it’s not even close.
Whether he has getting injured in the back of his mind or not he would still be a far better option. It’s a debatable point anyway as if you play football how Tarks plays and in his position and try and hold back in challenges etc you are just as likely to get injured.
I don’t know why the club would turn down £35m given this situation but as usually the case with all this stuff we might not be party to all the detail and it’s easy to make incorrect assumptions about any offers or the situation internally....but on the face of things it’s hard to understand why we turned down big offers in the situation we seem to be in.
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Can't disagree with any of that, been fantastic for us and as he alludes to....he has all the power now.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:54 pmClear that he was in the Dyche/Garlick battle ground during the last window. It's blatantly obvious that Southgate has decided he wants him playing elsewhere if he's going to select him for England, I remain mystified there can be any sensible reason for him not getting in during last season when he was in such outstanding form. If he does his best for us for the rest of the time he's here, then he will certainly leave with my blessing.
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Maybe we turned down offers because we had little or no confidence in getting a suitable replacement in
But don't worry - Newcastleclaret93 has full faith in Long or Dunne being more than capable
But don't worry - Newcastleclaret93 has full faith in Long or Dunne being more than capable
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No, I think the player said that himself in the interview, all CT has done is give his opinion on it, which I agree with.
When Tarkowski leaves us it is with my blessing, as he has been a man mountain in the centre of our defence for some years now - he is ambitious and I cant fault him for wanting to play at the highest level.
We have time to get the right deal for him in January, and unless we can bring in a suitable replacement we shouldn't fear too much with Jimmy Dunne as a longer term replacement, and Thompson (is that right?) also showing great promise. Either alongside captain fantastic will be good.
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I think it may be more because of how we play as opposed to it being because it is Burnley.
Our style is very different than it would be with some other clubs and it perhaps makes it more difficult to see how a player might fit into the national side.
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I feel a bit for Tarks. Since he's been at Burnley he's seen players like Gray and Keane earn an upward move and how the club has basically let them move on as soon as interest materialised. All of a sudden he does the same (and is a much better player than either for my money) and yet two summers on the bounce the club haven't budged on offers for him. Can imagine him seeing Leicester sat at the top of the league thinking that could be him and instead he's stuck in what feels like a pretty negative situation at Burnley one point off the bottom. Add into that Southgate's seeming decision that the way Burnley defend is a reason not to pick players for his squad and it's quite a tough situation to be in.
The interview is unfortunate and poorly-timed but it is what it is. It doesn't change much other than letting us fans know where his head is at but for me, unless it starts to show on the field I don't think it's too much of an issue. Casts even more doubt on the toe injury but I'll never know the truth behind that so can't let myself worry about it.
I just pray to God we don't sell him until we've lined up a proper replacement.
The interview is unfortunate and poorly-timed but it is what it is. It doesn't change much other than letting us fans know where his head is at but for me, unless it starts to show on the field I don't think it's too much of an issue. Casts even more doubt on the toe injury but I'll never know the truth behind that so can't let myself worry about it.
I just pray to God we don't sell him until we've lined up a proper replacement.
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For me, a player is picked on his own merits and playing for Burnley certainly doesn't seem to have done Pope any harm
In the same way, good performances by Tarks when up against top teams (for little Burnley) should give him good publicity not negative
In the interview it was suggested that JT thought it was a stumbling block but he wasn't quoted exactly as saying that
Unlike CT who sees it as "blatantly obvious"
In the same way, good performances by Tarks when up against top teams (for little Burnley) should give him good publicity not negative
In the interview it was suggested that JT thought it was a stumbling block but he wasn't quoted exactly as saying that
Unlike CT who sees it as "blatantly obvious"
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I do - I think he's opted not to select him because he plays for a team that doesn't defend in the way he wants England to defend. So yes, you might find it unbelievable but I don't and I suspect Tarky doesn't either.
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I’m amazed anyone is surprised by this , based on his departure from Brentford and the offers from both West Ham and Leicester.
It also obviously he’ll be gone in January with his replacement already lined up , Phil Jones .
It also obviously he’ll be gone in January with his replacement already lined up , Phil Jones .
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Very bad timing but nothing surprises me any more with what is happening at our club. Looks like he will be going in January.
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How ungrateful,Burnley FC turned him into an England international.....get shut of him in January.
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Surely Pope wouldn’t be picked if this was the case , Tarkowskis age and previous performance has had more influence on Southgate imoClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:37 pmI do - I think he's opted not to select him because he plays for a team that doesn't defend in the way he wants England to defend. So yes, you might find it unbelievable but I don't and I suspect Tarky doesn't either.
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Like I said previously this interview has cost the club millions in potential transfer fees
I Carnt believe people think he was right in doing it, whether or not you agree with its sentiments, the future possible transfer dealings of burnley football club should not have been printed all over a national newspaper
I do wonder if he'd been as willing to air his views had fans been allowed into games, at the moment he isn't going to get any stick from the fans
I Carnt believe people think he was right in doing it, whether or not you agree with its sentiments, the future possible transfer dealings of burnley football club should not have been printed all over a national newspaper
I do wonder if he'd been as willing to air his views had fans been allowed into games, at the moment he isn't going to get any stick from the fans
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That’s correct.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:37 pmI do - I think he's opted not to select him because he plays for a team that doesn't defend in the way he wants England to defend. So yes, you might find it unbelievable but I don't and I suspect Tarky doesn't either.
Thing is most on here can’t understand he doesn't get picked because he plays for Burnley but because the way we play.
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I'm not sure I can connect the way a goalkeeper plays directly to a central defender but if it is a case of playing out from the back it explains why Pope is getting the odd game and Pickford plays in all the competitive games.
It holds no water with me because Southgate will then go and play other players in roles that are nothing like the ones they play for their club. Still, no surprise, he's not the best football manager is he?
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Going public does nobody any favours but Tarkowski has got previous of acting like this and is obviously taking advantage of no fans being allowed on the ground.
Is there any chance of anything positive coming out from the club at the moment?
Is there any chance of anything positive coming out from the club at the moment?
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Of course players will DEMAND top dollar. Why wouldn’t they? They represent brands who bring in huge amounts of money. It’s only fair they get a huge slice of that money. Be that players of Man Utd who gain massively due to sponsorship, tickets, shirts or otherwise. Then you’ve got players here like Tarks that have played huge roles in gaining huge amounts of money for Burnley over the past few years. Plus Burnley have put some kind if price tag on him. Clubs can’t put huge price tags on players then presume they’ll resign contracts what £5/10m players earn. That’s no dig at the club. We simply can’t compete and offer what Tarks thinks he should earn. Both board and player are well within their rights here. Big respect for both of them.JohnMac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:10 pmMust be difficult for someone who works hard on the pitch and gives his all for the Club to know there are players out there like Carroll, Drinkwater, Wilshere who do little to nothing and get paid possibly twice as much because of where they are/were employed.
Football finance at this level is beyond Burnley and has been ever since promotion, even this supposed takeover will likely see us still at the bottom of the pile unable to compete with the wages DEMANDED by players.
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We didn't need to sell him or anybody according to Sean. If any club had met our valuation then I suspect we would have seen a departure or two. Players come and go, some will leave on better terms with fans than others.
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Absolutely the case.
Quality defender, playing in a system that is alien to the national setup. He doesn’t need to worry about players running in behind in our setup for example. On the international stage that’s a common theme.
On the grass geography works both ways.
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As I have said previously, there was a value attached, it was met, the manager threw an ultimatum to the board.onewillieirvine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:55 pmWe didn't need to sell him or anybody according to Sean. If any club had met our valuation then I suspect we would have seen a departure or two. Players come and go, some will leave on better terms with fans than others.
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He was in the preliminary world cup squad 2 years ago.
Maguire, Cahill, Stones, Jones were the ones who went into the 23 final squad.
Tarkowsky has had his best season imo last year. All those mentioned above are no better than they were 2 years ago. Only coming through is Mings/Gomez. So I’d say Tarks is good enough to be at least in the squad. I’m not saying he should start my any means, Maguire, Mings, Gomez will be all above him in the pecking order. Failing that maybe Southgate saw enough before the WC to know Tarkowsky isn’t up to it or wants him to play at a club with 6 DM in front of him, who knows?
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This is nothing personal and I see a few others agreeing with your argument butClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:37 pmI do - I think he's opted not to select him because he plays for a team that doesn't defend in the way he wants England to defend. So yes, you might find it unbelievable but I don't and I suspect Tarky doesn't either.
The first thing I ask is why then was he originally picked by Southgate - we defend in exactly the same way as we did back then so what's changed
Is it because Tarks plays in a flat back 4 and England, sometimes play with 3 CB's. But that can't be right because Maguire, Mings, Gomez and Dier, as examples, all play in teams with back 4's
Is it because he can't play out or pass out from the back - there may be something in that given his first instruction from the manager is to hoof it as far as he can
Or is it, as CFS posted, that Southgate just doesn't rate him above the others
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It's not just Southgate. (Who I personally don't rate particularly highly)
We'd players in the mid/late 60s & early 70s who didn't get the same consideration by England managers as those from city clubs got.
Whether that's right or wrong, it's certainly fact.
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He's changed system to what he was playing then.Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:13 pmHe was in the preliminary world cup squad 2 years ago.
Maguire, Cahill, Stones, Jones were the ones who went into the 23 final squad.
Tarkowsky has had his best season imo last year. All those mentioned above are no better than they were 2 years ago. Only coming through is Mings/Gomez. So I’d say Tarks is good enough to be at least in the squad. I’m not saying he should start my any means, Maguire, Mings, Gomez will be all above him in the pecking order. Failing that maybe Southgate saw enough before the WC to know Tarkowsky isn’t up to it or wants him to play at a club with 6 DM in front of him, who knows?
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DJW - Ok, I hadn't seen your post, was just going off the "We're in a good position and don't need to sell" statement by Mr Dyche. I bet it was an interesting conversation between Mr Garlick and Sean.
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Exactly had his chance says it all. He had a chance and they deemed him not good enough.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:24 pmHad his chance as a Burnley player.
Pope is in.
There is no anti BFC agenda.
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Garlick ghosting Tarky won't have helped either. Although I have to say the finger has to be pointed at Southgate too on this one.
As long as Tarky remains professional for the rest of his time here I think he's earned a move tbf
As long as Tarky remains professional for the rest of his time here I think he's earned a move tbf
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He'd no need to say it. There's other players wanting to get in the England and top team squads playing for unfashionable PL teams. If we'd have read similar articles from any of them there would be questions asked of them and their commitment to their current club.
He has put extra pressure on himself now that he didn't need to do because it is clear he has alienated many Burnley fans. Nothing wrong in ambition, a lot wrong in ruthless ambition
He has put extra pressure on himself now that he didn't need to do because it is clear he has alienated many Burnley fans. Nothing wrong in ambition, a lot wrong in ruthless ambition
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Do you think that any club who would be trying to sign him would have been unaware of this if they hadn't read it in the paper?Grumps wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:49 pmLike I said previously this interview has cost the club millions in potential transfer fees
I Carnt believe people think he was right in doing it, whether or not you agree with its sentiments, the future possible transfer dealings of burnley football club should not have been printed all over a national newspaper
I do wonder if he'd been as willing to air his views had fans been allowed into games, at the moment he isn't going to get any stick from the fans
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I really don't like the way he is trying to sell himself by going public but I do understand his feelings. We had the chance to strengthen our squad and be challenging in the top half of the table instead of at the bottom but IMO because of the possible takeover we chose not to. You can't expect world class players to stay and play in a relegation fight when the club appears to lack ambition. Not signing any players in the summer has had a real negative affect on everyone concerned.
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I imagine his agent will have been working on getting him a move since the summer.
The interview will make no difference to his value.
IMO it portrays him as very honest. It also pre-empts any stories of him being unsettled at present.
The interview will make no difference to his value.
IMO it portrays him as very honest. It also pre-empts any stories of him being unsettled at present.
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changed that for youboatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:04 pmI imagine his agent will have been working on getting him a move since LAST summer.
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Thanks.
When you think about it, most agents are doing that most of the time.
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No but there's a distinct difference between somebody wanting to move & somebody proactively engaging in a newspaper article stating there want to move, more exposure & a sense of urgency to make that happen will result in a price dip, offloading an unhappy player is more favours for favours than a outright offer without pressure.
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About time people were honest and said what they think. I don't blame him for wanting to better himself. Not being funny, if I was a prem league player Burnley would be the last club I'd want to play for. The football is w***, the falling outs between manager and board, the lack of ambition. If its not this season then it will be soon when we are back in the championship. He has to make hay whilst the sun is shining.
I know I'll get the 14 year old kids now saying (in a thick as f*** accent) well f*** off then and support another team if thats what you think. Its just reality. Were **** and he knows it
I know I'll get the 14 year old kids now saying (in a thick as f*** accent) well f*** off then and support another team if thats what you think. Its just reality. Were **** and he knows it
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Its not the crime of the century a player wanting to move to another club whoever wanted him in the last window should have offered the market price and not try to get him on the cheap.