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The Yorkshire Ripper
Popped his clogs.
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Rip............oh hang on a minute!!
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So finally Covid 19 has done something good.
Don't Rip
Don't Rip
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Good - hopefully long and slow.
No doubt one of the brothers will be in the press ASAP, being whiter than white himself!
No doubt one of the brothers will be in the press ASAP, being whiter than white himself!
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I was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.
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The son of his first victim has gone on record as saying that whilst he didn't wish Sutcliffe dead, at least this has brought some degree of closure. A classy response, well done him.
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Good news is still allowed.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:34 amI was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.
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I forget his name, but met him at a conference in Birmingham. I wasn't aware who he was until he mentioned his mum as part of his speech.lakedistrictclaret wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:35 amThe son of his first victim has gone on record as saying that whilst he didn't wish Sutcliffe dead, at least this has brought some degree of closure. A classy response, well done him.
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His name is Richard McCann, Frank.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 amI forget his name, but met him at a conference in Birmingham. I wasn't aware who he was until he mentioned his mum as part of his speech.
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That's it. He was a very good speaker, I might add.
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This thread should be fine until it gets hijacked by one of the usual suspects. As it stands it's not political or racial, but I can imagine where it could lead - unfortunately.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:34 amI was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.
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He came over very well on a three part documentary shown on television last year. He went off the rails as a teenager following his mother's murder, but has put his life back together admirably.
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Rot in Hell.
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I knew his father, he’d drink in the local pub, two pints of bitter every night.
Never ever spoke about his son or family, said he had played football for Burnley’s B team.
A soft and gentle man, so far removed from what his son was.
Never ever spoke about his son or family, said he had played football for Burnley’s B team.
A soft and gentle man, so far removed from what his son was.
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On Wednesday evening i was trawling the Sky channels and spotted Britain's Most Evil Killers with Fred Dineage. It was Peter Sutcliffe on this episode. They spoke with a junior detective from the case and he had written to his superior officer with a list of reasons why they should further investigate Sutcliffe - the photo fit from a victim who survived as a prime example. He was basically ordered out of the office and berated in front of colleagues as the chief investigators were convinced "Wearside Jack" was the Ripper and Sutcliffe didn't fit the bill. Photo fit, boot prints, car spotted in red light areas, the £5 note found on the Manchester victim and an interview he carried out at the Sutcliffe house with Peter and Sonia were all disregarded because he didn't have a North East accent.....
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Mrs Clarets4me was a young cashier for Yorkshire Bank at the time, and remembers being sent on a training course in Leeds. The staff, all female, were provided with a security guard, who escorted them from Hotel to Training centre and back every day, as well as out for a few drinks, on the penultimate night of the course ...
The next time any poster criticises any political group as " evil ", they need to look at this man as the benchmark !!
The next time any poster criticises any political group as " evil ", they need to look at this man as the benchmark !!
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One of the letters that Wearside Jack sent to George Oldfield, head of the Ripper Squad, said something like " it's seven now, and you still haven't a clue". This was in February. In fact, Sutcliffe had killed his eighth victim in January, but the body was not found until March. Hence, Wearside Jack did not know about the eighth murder, so could not be the Ripper.
A Sunderland detective sergeant spotted this, and sent a report to Oldfield. It was ignored.
This enquiry was way beyond the capabilities of the West Yorkshire police.
A Sunderland detective sergeant spotted this, and sent a report to Oldfield. It was ignored.
This enquiry was way beyond the capabilities of the West Yorkshire police.
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Yes, I remember watching a documentary on this which included everything the police failed to do. It was inexcusable. They went off the wearside Jack phonecall & letter with what appears to be just that - there didn't appear to be anything else that suggested the suspect could be from Newcastle, other than somebody saying they were the ripper.Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:04 amOn Wednesday evening i was trawling the Sky channels and spotted Britain's Most Evil Killers with Fred Dineage. It was Peter Sutcliffe on this episode. They spoke with a junior detective from the case and he had written to his superior officer with a list of reasons why they should further investigate Sutcliffe - the photo fit from a victim who survived as a prime example. He was basically ordered out of the office and berated in front of colleagues as the chief investigators were convinced "Wearside Jack" was the Ripper and Sutcliffe didn't fit the bill. Photo fit, boot prints, car spotted in red light areas, the £5 note found on the Manchester victim and an interview he carried out at the Sutcliffe house with Peter and Sonia were all disregarded because he didn't have a North East accent.....
And this was nothing to do with the lack of technology, DNA etc, it was down to a complete lack of common sense.
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Just finished reading the book by Michael Bilton that concentrated on the investigation into trying to capture Sutcliffe. A very good read that sadly highlights the mistakes made by the investigation team. Descriptions provided by survivors gave a very accurate portrait of Sutcliffe and even mentioned his 'local accent'. Together with the £5 note he left on one of his Manchester victims that was found to have been issued in Bingley those mistakes probably cost the lives of at least three more women. His arrest itself was slightly fortuitous but thankfully the intuition of a young policeman helped bring to an end the destruction he wreaked over the north of England in the 70's and early 80's.
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I used to work with a Geordie fella who was pulled in and questioned twice, he was a rep at the time and was regularly up and down the M1. Claims to this day that they played him the 'Wearside jack' tape in his 2nd interview and he told them it wasn't a geordie, said they were absolutely useless and went the colour of boiled sh1te when he dropped the bombshell, a steady flow of ever increasingly ranked officer were brought to his interview room to hear his proclamation 1st hand.
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Saliva samples from the envelopes matched the bloodgroup of saliva samples found on victims. This was one of the points that led the detectives to believe that Wearside Jack was the Ripper.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:16 amYes, I remember watching a documentary on this which included everything the police failed to do. It was inexcusable. They went off the wearside Jack phonecall & letter with what appears to be just that - there didn't appear to be anything else that suggested the suspect could be from Newcastle, other than somebody saying they were the ripper.
And this was nothing to do with the lack of technology, DNA etc, it was down to a complete lack of common sense.
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A different era and would have been caught sooner with modern methods. The police made mistakes though and Oldfield dismisses other policy officers valuable input. Thankfully Sutcliffe suffered in prison via attacks and knew he would never be released. The twisted hoaxer who indirectly caused further murders had an abject life and failed at killing himself. A day for the victims to have some closure and not this evil monster. I remember this being on the news as a child and how women feared going out alone at night.
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Would it not be more constructive not to preempt problems, the public should have been able to decide this year's ago but for 39 years until now the public have been denied any input despite some people getting up at the crack of dawn & toiling at work contributing to him sleeping in bed without a care in the world.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:43 amThis thread should be fine until it gets hijacked by one of the usual suspects. As it stands it's not political or racial, but I can imagine where it could lead - unfortunately.
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True, but that only narrowed it down to about 1.5 million people. They went off very poor evidence and seemed to totally rule out any other possibilities. Anybody with a bit about them would have put them as a suspect, but at the same time be very much looking elsewhere too, but they didn't appear to do that. They zoned in 100% on the Wearside Jack fella.Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:37 amSaliva samples from the envelopes matched the bloodgroup of saliva samples found on victims. This was one of the points that led the detectives to believe that Wearside Jack was the Ripper.
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Well that made me chuckle.
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An evil man...whom I'm sure no one will miss.
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Hopefully he is now occupying a particularly unpleasant place in Hell along with Brady and Hindley, (and there's also a spot reserved for Ian Huntley)
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Peter apparently had range of illnesses, let's hope Dr Shipman is on hand to give him the 'once over' when he arrives.Vintage Claret wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:30 amHopefully he is now occupying a particularly unpleasant place in Hell along with Brady and Hindley, (and there's also a spot reserved for Ian Huntley)
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I only discovered a good friend of mine is friends with his brother a few months ago. His brother commented on one of his Facebook posts. On our next 48 hr fishing trip I had long chat about it with my friend. His brother told him that he started digging graves in Bingley and he was asked to do a night shift. He says something happened that night which changed his brother mentally. He was never the same person again and the killings started after that.
He also said family members told police on more than one occasion that they thought Peter was the ripper.
A guy I worked with for many years was questioned twice, he told the story at his leaving do last year. That £5 note was in a wage delivery that went to 4 factories. He worked at one of factories. In his statement accounting for his whereabouts he put himself within 100 yards of one of the murders at around the time she went missing. Hence he suffered a long second interview where the officers kept telling him they knew he was the Ripper. A very scary thing for an 18 year old lad.
He also said family members told police on more than one occasion that they thought Peter was the ripper.
A guy I worked with for many years was questioned twice, he told the story at his leaving do last year. That £5 note was in a wage delivery that went to 4 factories. He worked at one of factories. In his statement accounting for his whereabouts he put himself within 100 yards of one of the murders at around the time she went missing. Hence he suffered a long second interview where the officers kept telling him they knew he was the Ripper. A very scary thing for an 18 year old lad.
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Should have been hung, how much has his incarceration cost the tax payer.
Hope he is suffering in hell.
Hope he is suffering in hell.
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Just watched a short interview with him on the BBC news site and he comes across very well. He makes some very valid points and ends with a request to West Yorks Police to issue an apology to surviving family members. Some victims were described as "innocent" such as Jane McDonald, inferring that the other victims were not innocent, including his Mum. He also states that he phoned Sutcliffe's brother this morning to offer his condolences, as he says after all Peter did, he was still his brother. I am not sure I could show the same level of compassion and sympathy if i were in his position, something i also feel when i see Colin Parry meeting Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams.
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Carl or Mick? I’ve not seen either for years but I wouldn’t admit to being friends with either, unless they’ve changed their ways, which I doubt.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:35 pmI only discovered a good friend of mine is friends with his brother a few months ago. His brother commented on one of his Facebook posts. On our next 48 hr fishing trip I had long chat about it with my friend. His brother told him that he started digging graves in Bingley and he was asked to do a night shift. He says something happened that night which changed his brother mentally. He was never the same person again and the killings started after that.
He also said family members told police on more than one occasion that they thought Peter was the ripper.
A guy I worked with for many years was questioned twice, he told the story at his leaving do last year. That £5 note was in a wage delivery that went to 4 factories. He worked at one of factories. In his statement accounting for his whereabouts he put himself within 100 yards of one of the murders at around the time she went missing. Hence he suffered a long second interview where the officers kept telling him they knew he was the Ripper. A very scary thing for an 18 year old lad.
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Highly doubt covid killed him
Friday 13th tho..
Friday 13th tho..
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DIdn't he used to stop off in Burnley sometimes on his lorry journeys? I'm sure I remember someone telling me he did, near the Turf.
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Yes, people in East Lancs were certainly questioned as they identified the suspect as a driver who come over that way. Stan made reference to it in his book; can't remember the exact detail but don't think he got as far as being pulled in.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:21 pmDIdn't he used to stop off in Burnley sometimes on his lorry journeys? I'm sure I remember someone telling me he did, near the Turf.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... k-NHS.html
That's in 2015 so the figure will be higher, he's had the full works in luxury treats a working man can only dream of
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I think, might be wrong, but the chippy on Todmorden road at the end of Helena street - not sure what it was back in those days, but I think he used to call in there. Something at the back of my mind reminds me of somebody mentioning it.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:27 pmYes, people in East Lancs were certainly questioned as they identified the suspect as a driver who come over that way. Stan made reference to it in his book; can't remember the exact detail but don't think he got as far as being pulled in.
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Russell Brand would have been a better choice, he looks the spitting image of a younger Peter Sutcliffe.Claret Till I Die wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:07 pmreceived_2785947415018749.jpeg
In the absence of Mr Beamish
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He used to frequent the Star cycling club in Nelson the odd time.
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Beamish ?
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Well finally 2020 has delivered some good news, I hope you enjoy your time in hell Peter.
My thoughts are with his victims, and more importantly their families, hopefully this news will bring a sense of closure for them after all these years.
My thoughts are with his victims, and more importantly their families, hopefully this news will bring a sense of closure for them after all these years.
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Fairly sure he knows both but on better than the other, just clarify, I spoke to my friend about the subject.
Your hint does not surprise me, my friend got into stuff that he felt the only way out was suicide. He came very close to succeeding. He then spent months on the psychiatric ward before moving away from Bingley and turning his life around.
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Glad to hear that your friend is better, LBC.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:53 pmFairly sure he knows both but on better than the other, just clarify, I spoke to my friend about the subject.
Your hint does not surprise me, my friend got into stuff that he felt the only way out was suicide. He came very close to succeeding. He then spent months on the psychiatric ward before moving away from Bingley and turning his life around.
They were a pair of nasty individuals, into all sorts and not ones to be involved with. I’d be amazed if that was any different now.
I think it was Carl that was done by an undercover reporter at one point and from what I’ve seen and heard of them, they revelled in the notoriety and used it to their advantage - they’ll no doubt be in the press over the coming days.
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Peter Sutcliffe
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It was Carl who posted on his Facebook, took me ages to find it. He said Carl has sold his story more than once.DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:38 pmGlad to hear that your friend is better, LBC.
They were a pair of nasty individuals, into all sorts and not ones to be involved with. I’d be amazed if that was any different now.
I think it was Carl that was done by an undercover reporter at one point and from what I’ve seen and heard of them, they revelled in the notoriety and used it to their advantage - they’ll no doubt be in the press over the coming days.
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Was this local pub in Cairo?Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:57 amI knew his father, he’d drink in the local pub, two pints of bitter every night.
Never ever spoke about his son or family, said he had played football for Burnley’s B team.
A soft and gentle man, so far removed from what his son was.
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I lived in South Yorkshire, and still do, when Sutcliffe was doing his murdering spree. My Mother, sister, and their female friends were frightened to death to go out at night without a male escort.
I remember the day well in January 1981 when he was caught in Sheffield. I was at work and heard on the radio that he'd been caught and there was an almighty cheer and a lot of cursing at Sutcliffe.
Sutcliffe died today but, from my viewpoint, he should have died after been sentenced. What he did, he should have been strung up, no ifs and buts from do gooders, this was a clear case for capital punishment to be implemented.
I remember the day well in January 1981 when he was caught in Sheffield. I was at work and heard on the radio that he'd been caught and there was an almighty cheer and a lot of cursing at Sutcliffe.
Sutcliffe died today but, from my viewpoint, he should have died after been sentenced. What he did, he should have been strung up, no ifs and buts from do gooders, this was a clear case for capital punishment to be implemented.
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The thing I can't get my head round with the whole Ripper business, was how no one recognised Wearside Jack's voice aka John Humble who died in July 2019.
It was on the tv and radio loads of times, didn't a voice analyst identify it came from a particular area of Sunderland ?
Sutcliffe was responsible for more attacks than those attributed to him or at least there is a lot of pointers to him being the perpetrator.
It was on the tv and radio loads of times, didn't a voice analyst identify it came from a particular area of Sunderland ?
Sutcliffe was responsible for more attacks than those attributed to him or at least there is a lot of pointers to him being the perpetrator.