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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:47 pm

I love how some think we can't be caught when we have to play Fulham twice and there are also 14 other games (42 points) still to go.

When I saw the team tonight I just thought Dyche was being sensible given our injury situation and the hectic schedule we are undertaking. The fact that we then played so badly is inexcusable but the team selection...I have no problem with that at all.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:50 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:36 pm

Westy is still our biggest threat from corners, but from open play, what happened to the through balls he used to play. When was the last time he set up a chance with a perfectly weighted, perfectly lined pass.
Last Saturday when he played an exquisite volleyed pass into Vydra whose shot was then saved.

Sorry....I do actually agree with a lot of what you say though there have been signs in the second half v Villa and Brighton that we CAN get at teams in an entertaining and effective fashion when we turn up the tempo.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm

Dyche sends a message? Tell you what - I’ll send him a message.

After that farce in Athens, you were on your final warning. Thanks (most sincerely). Now it’s time to clear off.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:52 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm
Dyche sends a message? Tell you what - I’ll send him a message.

After that farce in Athens, you were on your final warning. Thanks (most sincerely). Now it’s time to clear off.
Oh did you go to Athens?

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Elizabeth » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:52 pm

That back 4 tonight was possibly the worst back 4 that’s played for Burnley this century. This was written in 2021
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:53 pm

BennyD wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:33 pm
He’s using the limited assets at his disposal and if a message is seen and understood by the owners, then fair enough. I’d be very p!ssed off if he started a full strength side tonight and had to field a depleted, knackered squad at the weekend.
I believe we should always, and in every case, play our strongest team, not to do so belittles a competition and dishonours the fans. Always said so and always will.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Cubanclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:54 pm

I'm not watching the match, but looking at the updates it appears that West Ham seem to have lot two centre halves through injury tonight at Old Trafford. Plus Bowen and Yarmalenko?
Can easily happen.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:54 pm

BennyD wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:33 pm
He’s using the limited assets at his disposal and if a message is seen and understood by the owners, then fair enough. I’d be very p!ssed off if he started a full strength side tonight and had to field a depleted, knackered squad at the weekend.
This is the manager who can be quoted as having said players stay at a high level of fitness well into their 30s,
who has also said (when in the championship) that players are capable of sustaining 2 games per week.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Cubanclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:55 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm
Dyche sends a message? Tell you what - I’ll send him a message.

After that farce in Athens, you were on your final warning. Thanks (most sincerely). Now it’s time to clear off.
Lol :lol:

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:56 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:50 pm
Last Saturday when he played an exquisite volleyed pass into Vydra whose shot was then saved.

Sorry....I do actually agree with a lot of what you say though there have been signs in the second half v Villa and Brighton that we CAN get at teams in an entertaining and effective fashion when we turn up the tempo.
Come on, second half against Brighton took us all by surprise, and is probably partly to blame as to why we are all so miffed now. We hoped we'd turned a corner, tonight showed we haven't. I agree that when we get on the front foot we are a different team, so it begs the question, why are we so reluctant to do it. Tonight we never got out of first gear, if we actually made that. More like 3 old men pushing a Moggy Thou uphill.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BennyD » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:56 pm

Until we have enough points to put us beyond any chance of relegation then I won’t be taking anything for granted. Personally I couldn’t give a dead ratsass about the cups, they are irrelevant to us. You have your opinion and I have mine, but I think mine is closer to the club’s philosophy than yours.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm
Dyche sends a message? Tell you what - I’ll send him a message.

After that farce in Athens, you were on your final warning. Thanks (most sincerely). Now it’s time to clear off.
Blimey !!!! You do realise that EVERY club is rotating players at the moment with games coming every 3 or 4 days and injuries mounting. Our squad is very shallow in terms of quality...I'm sure Dyche would like to have a bench like many PL clubs but we don't . The lack of investment in the squad over the past 3/4 years is the cause of this, not something which I believe Dyche is much of a fan of.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm

BennyD wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:56 pm
Until we have enough points to put us beyond any chance of relegation then I won’t be taking anything for granted. Personally I couldn’t give a dead ratsass about the cups, they are irrelevant to us. You have your opinion and I have mine, but I think mine is closer to the club’s philosophy than yours.
Do you get a profit share or something? If you dont care about trying to win things then whats the point?
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:59 pm

BennyD wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:56 pm
Until we have enough points to put us beyond any chance of relegation then I won’t be taking anything for granted. Personally I couldn’t give a dead ratsass about the cups, they are irrelevant to us. You have your opinion and I have mine, but I think mine is closer to the club’s philosophy than yours.
Unfortunately that is the attitude that is ruining football.
I don't blame anyone, just the Premier League which will, if left to its own devices, destroy football.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:59 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:47 pm
I love how some think we can't be caught when we have to play Fulham twice and there are also 14 other games (42 points) still to go.

When I saw the team tonight I just thought Dyche was being sensible given our injury situation and the hectic schedule we are undertaking. The fact that we then played so badly is inexcusable but the team selection...I have no problem with that at all.
Look at our overall form. Look at the points we have after that dreadful start. Do you seriously think we are going to suddenly collapse? Yes we play Fulham twice...that is a GOOD thing...6 points possible against the the only team that can realistically catch us. I absolutely have no relegation worries whatsoever and Dyche should have given the fans something to look forward to.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BennyD » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:01 pm

houseboy wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:53 pm
I believe we should always, and in every case, play our strongest team, not to do so belittles a competition and dishonours the fans. Always said so and always will.
I don’t agree. I’ve not bothered about the FA cup since the late 80s and I have no reason to change my mind. Opinions differ, but I reckon I’m a lot less stressed this evening than those who wanted a cup run. In the bad old days, a good cup run was a financial necessity whereas these days, especially without a crowd, there isn’t a financial draw for clubs with thin squads. Times change, and cup runs are tailor made for lower league clubs or Prem teams with deep squads.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:02 pm

Dyche was simply using what he had at his disposal bearing in mind injuries to key players Wood/ Taylor/Brownhill /Brady etc and Pieters suspended . Was a truly awful back line but we can’t help we needed 3rd choice LB or 4/5th choice midfielders .

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm

houseboy wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:59 pm
Look at our overall form. Look at the points we have after that dreadful start. Do you seriously think we are going to suddenly collapse? Yes we play Fulham twice...that is a GOOD thing...6 points possible against the the only team that can realistically catch us. I absolutely have no relegation worries whatsoever and Dyche should have given the fans something to look forward to.
TBH. If we can't stay ahead of the 3 currently below us then we deserve to go down.
And maybe that's the wake-up call we need to get a bit of action at the top.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:51 pm
Dyche sends a message? Tell you what - I’ll send him a message.

After that farce in Athens, you were on your final warning. Thanks (most sincerely). Now it’s time to clear off.
So you'd be happy to see us drop through the leagues, and then in a few years time yearn to play in the Prem again?

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BennyD » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:06 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm
So you'd be happy to see us drop through the leagues, and then in a few years time yearn to play in the Prem again?
No he wouldn’t, he’s just having an impotent tantrum.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BennyD » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:08 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm
Do you get a profit share or something? If you dont care about trying to win things then whats the point?
The long term security of the club?

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Les Lawrence » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:08 pm

Don't the players/manager,coaches etc,get a split of the money for how high they finish in the league.Maybe that's why dyche doesn't give a **** about the cups

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:09 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm
So you'd be happy to see us drop through the leagues, and then in a few years time yearn to play in the Prem again?
What makes you so sure we couldn't find a better manager?
I really don't get this "Sean Dyche is God" sort of mentality.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:10 pm

I’d rather us stay the way we are than employ somebody like Marco Silva

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:10 pm

BennyD wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:08 pm
The long term security of the club?
Yeah playing Tarks and Mee would have meant Burnley go bust tonight.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:11 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:10 pm
I’d rather us stay the way we are than employ somebody like Marco Silva
Well, the simple answer to that is "don't employ Marco Silva"c ;)

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:13 pm

Aye but a lot of these clubs who employ these “fashionable” coaches tend to regret it and pay them off rather soon after

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BennyD » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:15 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:59 pm
Unfortunately that is the attitude that is ruining football.
I don't blame anyone, just the Premier League which will, if left to its own devices, destroy football.
I couldn’t agree more. However, that’s the system that’s in place. All the traditional Big Clubs with big crowds would probably survive to some degree, but we would be in the group that most probably wouldn’t. Finances are all important, especially now we find ourselves in debt, and any chance of dropping out of the league should be removed as soon as possible. If we had 30 plus points on the board I would be more in the ‘cup run’ mob but, for me, not at the moment.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:16 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:21 pm
What are the owners going to do about it?

They've not got a pot to p1ss in. First priority is servicing the giant debt and interest.
This

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:09 pm
What makes you so sure we couldn't find a better manager?
I really don't get this "Sean Dyche is God" sort of mentality.
So you don't think he's performed a minor miracle keeping us in the Prem on our budget for five seasons?

I don't see anyone else in the managerial world being able to do that at the moment. It's all well and good thinking we can do better.
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:19 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:18 pm
So you don't think he's performed a minor miracle keeping us in the Prem on our budget for five seasons?

I don't see anyone else in the managerial world being able to do that at the moment. It's all well and good thinking we can do better.
True - and I think if he is given better players to work with that we will excel together !

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Elizabeth » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:21 pm

The premise of the opening post is so far off the mark

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by DomBFC1882 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:22 pm

I love Dyche and definitely one who wants him to stay forever. However his stubbornness in the transfer windows with signing older players and not younger exciting ones in addition to his stubbornness with tactics, substitution and failing to change formation when we play the likes of Man City is a real head scratcher

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:26 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:53 pm
The whole club ? Off the evidence of a lousy performance from a group of fringe players ?
Look at the games coming up - are you really suggesting that risking absolutely key players is worth it ? The stand-in players were given their chance to perform on a reasonably big stage and they blew it. Dyche had to pick them, had to rely on them and they weren't up to it individually or collectively.
but how many times do we need to see the same pattern? and Dyche absolutely didn't need to pick them

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:36 pm
Given the current table Id have definitely took beating Bournemouth over Palace. You seem to be a bit of a nervous nelly if you think we need 9 pts in the next 3 games and are in danger of being caught up by the bottom 3

Show a bit of courage you soft arse cos we are more than capable of having a go at beating Bournemouth and staying up comfortably at the same time
Here's the problem, its either or with some extreme posters, if we'd have tried to win tonight we'd have been left with half of our team out injured and ultimately relegated.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by nyclaret » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:31 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:22 pm
I love Dyche and definitely one who wants him to stay forever. However his stubbornness in the transfer windows with signing older players and not younger exciting ones in addition to his stubbornness with tactics, substitution and failing to change formation when we play the likes of Man City is a real head scratcher
I don't really trust Dyche in the transfer market anymore. From what I've heard, Brownhill was Rigg's find. I think Dyche is going backwards with his transfer targets.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by brexit » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:32 pm

Pace: Why did you put out such a bad team tonight
Dyche: Cups aren't important only staying in the Premier League is important.
Pace: Do you mean we can get relegated? I thought this was like the MSL? I need to phone Robinhood.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by DomBFC1882 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:30 pm
Here's the problem, its either or with some extreme posters, if we'd have tried to win tonight we'd have been left with half of our team out injured and ultimately relegated.
Exactly. These people are so dramatic jumping from one extreme to the other without any middle ground. If Dyche was seriously concerned about injuries then why did mcneil play? Heaven forbid he change formation

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:37 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:31 pm
I don't really trust Dyche in the transfer market anymore. From what I've heard, Brownhill was Rigg's find. I think Dyche is going backwards with his transfer targets.
Not sure what Rigg does in all honesty . Seen that along with Leeds and Villa we have been linked with Harry Wilson again

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BOYSIE31 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:40 pm

Changes were needed for tonight but it only highlights how **** our recruitment has been for the last 3 years and the young lads will have careers at league 1 at best

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:40 pm

When was Rigg appointed can anyone tell me?

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by BOYSIE31 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:41 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:31 pm
I don't really trust Dyche in the transfer market anymore. From what I've heard, Brownhill was Rigg's find. I think Dyche is going backwards with his transfer targets.
Could not be hard to find as was only playing in the league below

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by karatekid » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:41 pm

Maybe SD was following instructions from the new chairman. PL at all costs.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by DomBFC1882 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:41 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:40 pm
When was Rigg appointed can anyone tell me?
A better question would be "why was he appointed"
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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:42 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:18 pm
So you don't think he's performed a minor miracle keeping us in the Prem on our budget for five seasons?

I don't see anyone else in the managerial world being able to do that at the moment. It's all well and good thinking we can do better.
It all depends on how hard you look.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:43 pm

Our best signing in recent years did not even come from Rigg/Garlick/Dyche it came from Belgianclaret on here.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:44 pm

Well it seems that since he was appointed, things haven’t gone very well

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:42 pm
It all depends on how hard you look.
It can't be easy as another small team would have performed as well.

You only have to see how difficult it is for many promoted clubs with limited budgets to stay in the Prem.

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:51 pm
It can't be easy as another small team would have performed as well.

You only have to see how difficult it is for many promoted clubs with limited budgets to stay in the Prem.
Would you accept that Bielsa would have been a good option?

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Re: Dyche sending a message?

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:57 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:35 pm
Exactly. These people are so dramatic jumping from one extreme to the other without any middle ground. If Dyche was seriously concerned about injuries then why did mcneil play? Heaven forbid he change formation
Dyche’s success has been built entirely around the defence and its covering midfield two, that’s why the first choices were all rested tonight (he had very little option with Pieters, but even that backfired). He was prepared to risk the two wingers, but had little option elsewhere with Wood, Brownhill, Brady, Taylor and probably Cork out injured and important games looming.

It was not the selection that was pathetic it was the unprofessional and embarrassing manner, lack of fight and missing skill that has p***ed everyone off. Especially as it was a televised game broadcast to a seriously wide audience.
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