Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Newcastleclaret93]

I agree re the debt.

What I’m saying is if we get relegated this year, or maybe even next, then that’s not on ALK’s failure to strengthen, that’s a repercussion of kicking the can down the road for the past 3/4 years.

17-18 = Wood, Cork, Wells, Lennon, Bardsley, Taylor
18-19 = Vydra, Gibson, Hart, Crouch
19-20 = Jay Rod, Pieters, Brownhill, peacock Farrell, Drinkwater
20-21 summer window = Stephens and Norris

Tsar these are the windows you have mentioned. Under Garlick we signed 4 players each season (2 for the summer window last year)

Under ALK we have had one window where we signed no one and this summer. Garlick got butchered but apart from a lean summer during the start of a global pandemic I think he always did what was right for the club

[Chester Perry]

Burnley's new American owners vow to back Dyche in transfer market

https://www.eurosport.com/football/prem ... tory.shtml

That doesn't say it was the purpose if the takeover - it says it was they would like to do as part of their ownership in the January window - the difference is not even a subtle one

[ksrclaret]

That doesn't say it was the purpose if the takeover - it says it was they would like to do as part of their ownership in the January window - the difference is not even a subtle one

That's alright then

[TsarBomba]

Let’s be honest this is just not accurate. We signed 4 players in 19/20 season for the first team squad. Brownhill, Rodriguez, Pieters and Peacock Farrell. Il also add this was for a combined fee of 22m (roughly).

We only had last summer where we signed 1 player and that was Stephens. (Not counting Norris).

The only transfer window we have had under Dyche with no signings for the first team has come under ALKs tenure.

I am sure ALK will be trying there best to do business but it’s incredibly difficult to anything with wages as high as they are (something Garlick got butchered for trying to lower).

I suspect we will see Lennon and maybe 1 first teamer come in this window. Dyche Will have to work a miracle but as other posters have mentioned that gives ALK time to increase revenue.

No idea where it leaves our club if we go down but I guess there’s not a lot else we can do.
The only transfer window we have had has been under ALK

But it is accurate. We haven’t strengthened. Arguably since Wood in 2017 when we last bought a player that properly strengthened the first 11.

So the 6 players you have mentioned since 2019…

-Norris and PF are reserve goalkeepers, one of which is now on loan at a League 1 club.
-Stephens hasn’t played (for a number of reasons) and is not likely to

Pieters and Jay have been good squad players, which leaves Brownhill as the only player to directly affect the first 11.

So arguably, that is 1 player in 2 years, and even Brownhill has his doubters, you being one of them.

[Conroy92]

Nixon says Lookman doesn’t want to come and we ‘might’ now try and make an offer for Cornet or offer Lennon a contract.

People were complaining when it seemed Cornet wanted to go to Hertha. Maybe after all this it turns out that we weren't actually that serious about him?

[boatshed bill]

But it is accurate. We haven’t strengthened. Arguably since Wood in 2017 when we last bought a player that properly strengthened the first 11.

So the 6 players you have mentioned since 2019…

-Norris and PF are reserve goalkeepers, one of which is now on loan at a League 1 club.
-Stephens hasn’t played (for a number of reasons) and is not likely to

Pieters and Jay have been good squad players, which leaves Brownhill as the only player to directly affect the first 11.

So arguably, that is 1 player in 2 years, and even Brownhill has his doubters, you being one of them.

So who do you think chooses these players?

[Wembley09]

ALK said they were always looking for a small mid-table Championship club to help back them and get into the Premier League and make them
established there.

Then they came across Burnley, a small team already pucnhing above their weight there. To make a team established in the PL, surely you need funds?
Or a manager like Dyche?

But if they say they will back Dyche, I would have expected a different transfer window to the ones before (where he was 'apparently' not backed)

[Newcastleclaret93]

But it is accurate. We haven’t strengthened. Arguably since Wood in 2017 when we last bought a player that properly strengthened the first 11.

So the 6 players you have mentioned since 2019…

-Norris and PF are reserve goalkeepers, one of which is now on loan at a League 1 club.
-Stephens hasn’t played (for a number of reasons) and is not likely to

Pieters and Jay have been good squad players, which leaves Brownhill as the only player to directly affect the first 11.

So arguably, that is 1 player in 2 years, and even Brownhill has his doubters, you being one of them.

Not sure how you can blame Garlick for 3-4 seasons of not strengthening when clearly he has provided funds during that time. Unfortunately Dyche and our recruitment team haven’t purchased players that improve us.

However ALK are very much part of the solution they need to continue to provide funds and hope the changes to the recruitment team will improve.

[TsarBomba]

So who do you think chooses these players?

Whoever is at fault, the point still stands that if our failure to strengthen should result in relegation, that is not on ALK.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Whoever is at fault, the point still stands that if our failure to strengthen should result in relegation, that is not on ALK.

If we are relegated under ALKs tenure then it is the fault of them and there team.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Are we better off re-setting in championship ? New manager probably ? Develop the youth and be thankful for the Premier money securing alot of work off the field and a decent bank balance ?
Look at the last 2-3 windows and this group of people over next 2-3 seasons have to completely overall the playing staff ?? We have to be completely honest absolutely no chance.
Relegation will probably put alot of our staff out of their misery.

[Elizabeth]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... on-cornet/

Nixon reporting that Lookman isn’t too keen on moving to us despite us being willing to pay the wages and loan fee. So we will try to get to Lyons 15m asking fee for Cornet.

Shame about Lookman but maybe wants a London club and better style of play.

That article tells me Burnley are being active in the transfer market and that is all I need to know

[TsarBomba]

If we are relegated under ALKs tenure then it is the fault of them and there team.

That all depends on when we are relegated. If we’re relegated this year, it’s not on them.

[ksrclaret]

Are we better off re-setting in championship ? New manager probably ? Develop the youth and be thankful for the Premier money securing alot of work off the field and a decent bank balance ?
Look at the last 2-3 windows and this group of people over next 2-3 seasons have to completely overall the playing staff ?? We have to be completely honest absolutely no chance.
Relegation will probably put alot of our staff out of their misery.

Under the previous ownership, relegation would have been a real disappointment, but one we could re-set from, as you say.

Under the current ownership, my opinion is that if relegation were to occur, we're bang in the smelly stuff.

[Chester Perry]

That's alright then

I am not saying it is - just disproving the assertion that the purpose of the takeover was to back Dyche. I am not sure how anyone would think that was ALK's primary purpose - it is the thinking process of a fan not a businessman

They may believe that backing Dyche is the best way to achieve their ownership goals, but that is very different to the assertion I was responding to

[taio]

Under the previous ownership, relegation would have been a real disappointment, but one we could re-set from, as you say.

Under the current ownership, my opinion is that if relegation were to occur, we're bang in the smelly stuff.

This is a great summary of the problem we now face.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That all depends on when we are relegated. If we’re relegated this year, it’s not on them.

Fair enough I just think the 90 odd million Garlick spent on players over the last 3.5 seasons makes it difficult to blame his regime.

[NewClaret]

Nixon says Lookman doesn’t want to come and we ‘might’ now try and make an offer for Cornet or offer Lennon a contract.

He’s not so specific to say he doesn’t want to come. He says he’s ‘unsure’ and ‘weighing up his options’, then, as you say, so we ‘may’ try to sign Cornet or possibly re-sign Lennon.

Nowt like covering all bases.

[TsarBomba]

Fair enough I just think the 90 odd million Garlick spent on players over the last 3.5 seasons makes it difficult to blame his regime.

And yet just £22 million in the past two seasons, which coincidentally is when the takeover was in progress.

Dyche has been often quoted as saying that if the money was there, he would spend it.

It’s been debated to the nth degree about who was responsible for what, Dyche/Garlick/Rigg.

Ultimately, there has been a clear downturn in money spent on the squad, coincidentally when the takeover was going through, and some would argue that it was down to fattening the goose.

[Newcastleclaret93]

And yet just £22 million in the past two seasons, which coincidentally is when the takeover was in progress.

Dyche has been often quoted as saying that if the money was there, he would spend it.

It’s been debated to the nth degree about who was responsible for what, Dyche/Garlick/Rigg.

Ultimately, there has been a clear downturn in money spent on the squad, coincidentally when the takeover was going through, and some would argue that it was down to fattening the goose.

Yep 21 million in 19-20.

Then 1million last summer.

0 spent in January.

In reality Garlick didn’t spend for one window.

[ksrclaret]

I am not saying it is - just disproving the assertion that the purpose of the takeover was to back Dyche. I am not sure how anyone would think that was ALK's primary purpose - it is the thinking process of a fan not a businessman

They may believe that backing Dyche is the best way to achieve their ownership goals, but that is very different to the assertion I was responding to

I don't think anybody believes that the "purpose" of a takeover is to lavish the current manager in funds with which to sign more players.

I think what most rightly believe is that it's not unreasonable to expect the takeover to result in the signing of some new players to improve the first team, particularly when they takeover a squad as porous as ours, and particularly when the new owner goes out of his way to talk about it.

[Devils_Advocate]

Yep 21 million in 19-20.

Then 1million last summer.

0 spent in January.

In reality Garlick didn’t spend for one window.

Coincidently when we was in the financial uncertainty of the impact Covid was having

[Chester Perry]

I don't think anybody believes that the "purpose" of a takeover is to lavish the current manager in funds with which to sign more players.

I think what most rightly believe is that it's not unreasonable to expect the takeover to result in the signing of some new players to improve the first team, particularly when they takeover a squad as porous as ours, and particularly when the new owner goes out of his way to talk about it.

I was responding directly to this nothing more

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Shame about our new takeover which was supposed to give Dyche money to spend.

[boatshed bill]

Yep 21 million in 19-20.

Then 1million last summer.

0 spent in January.

In reality Garlick didn’t spend for one window.

And had he spent that money ALK couldn't have used it for the takeover.

[TsarBomba]

Coincidently when we was in the financial uncertainty of the impact Covid was having

Yes, point taken, re last summer, that has to be taken into consideration. But the downturn in spending was at least 2019, if not before.

And yet funnily enough, when I have suggested that still being in a pandemic will affect the market, and monies, like it did with Garlick, no-one wants to give ALK that same pass.

[Chester Perry]

Yes, point taken, re last summer, that has to be taken into consideration. But the downturn in spending was at least 2019, if not before.

And yet funnily enough, when I have suggested that still being in a pandemic will affect the market, and monies, like it did with Garlick, no-one wants to give ALK that same pass.

it is pretty easy to see why when you look at the accounts over the period

[Devils_Advocate]

Yes, point taken, re last summer, that has to be taken into consideration. But the downturn in spending was at least 2019, if not before.

And yet funnily enough, when I have suggested that still being in a pandemic will affect the market, and monies, like it did with Garlick, no-one wants to give ALK that same pass.

Im not criticising AKL, I dont like the fact we are in debt but I was under no illusions they could come in and magically transform.

Your comments about Garlick however that he has got us into this mess by not backing Dyche and spending money are pretty poor. Garlick has balanced the books and given what money he thought he could safely give.

We are in this position not because Garlick or anyone else has done something wrong but because we have so massively over achieved to just keep staying in this league and the reality is we cant compete on the financial side of things.

A couple of years ago the majority seemed to recognise this and appreciate how special this period is but somehow we have got into a position where fans want to have a go at our owners or our manager like we are under performing. That for me is crazy.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Im not criticising AKL, I dont like the fact we are in debt but I was under no illusions they could come in and magically transform.

Your comments about Garlick however that he has got us into this mess by not backing Dyche and spending money are pretty poor. Garlick has balanced the books and given what money he thought he could safely give.

We are in this position not because Garlick or anyone else has done something wrong but because we have so massively over achieved to just keep staying in this league and the reality is we cant compete on the financial side of things.

A couple of years ago the majority seemed to recognise this and appreciate how special this period is but somehow we have got into a position where fans want to have a go at our owners or our manager like we are under performing. That for me is crazy.

I think I sometimes fall foul of this but I think you have got that statement right

[Vegas Claret]

nixon - Burnley struggling to complete Ademola Lookman transfer from RB Leipzig as Dyche turns to £15m Lyon star Maxwel Cornet
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... on-cornet/

[jdrobbo]

£15 million? They wanted €10 million (Euros) last week!

[Steddyman]

Nixon says Lookman doesn’t want to come and we ‘might’ now try and make an offer for Cornet or offer Lennon a contract.

One of those is more likely than the offer.

The issue seems to be players, don't want to play for us. Why is that though? Most likely the style of play. Defenders and goalkeepers have no problem signing for us.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Don’t think Cornet was in the Lyon squad today.

[jrgbfc]

One of those is more likely than the offer.

The issue seems to be players, don't want to play for us. Why is that though? Most likely the style of play. Defenders and goalkeepers have no problem signing for us.

If you were a winger would you want to come and play for Dyche? Be expected to slog your guts out every week and basically play as an extra full back.

[TsarBomba]

Im not criticising AKL, I dont like the fact we are in debt but I was under no illusions they could come in and magically transform.

Your comments about Garlick however that he has got us into this mess by not backing Dyche and spending money are pretty poor. Garlick has balanced the books and given what money he thought he could safely give.

We are in this position not because Garlick or anyone else has done something wrong but because we have so massively over achieved to just keep staying in this league and the reality is we cant compete on the financial side of things.

A couple of years ago the majority seemed to recognise this and appreciate how special this period is but somehow we have got into a position where fans want to have a go at our owners or our manager like we are under performing. That for me is crazy.

Garlick did a fine job, I can acknowledge that. I’ve no issue with him. He got far more right than wrong, clearly.

My original point was that there had been a clear lack of investment in the playing squad, and that was the position Garlick left us in. That’s a fact. I never said he was to blame per se. I could have done, because he partly is, probably along with a few other people including Dyche and Rigg. They’ve probably all played their part.

Of course, there are reasons for the lack of investment that are out of his control such as Covid.

But there are also reasons that were in his control. There was a very public spat between him and Dyche that rumbled on for months, if not years.

The takeover probably didn’t help, but what efforts have been made to increase revenue this past 2/3/4 years, whilst wages were also increasing. Why are we now seeing huge strides in the commercial and hospitality sectors.

Garlick arguably had one eye if not both on the takeover and became increasingly more reliant in Dyche working miracles in the hope that we would still be a Prem club by the time he sold it.

Once the takeover was mooted, and then in motion, it was as if the club stood still. For nigh on two years. And that sits with Garlick.

[Steddyman]

If you were a winger would you want to come and play for Dyche? Be expected to slog your guts out every week and basically play as an extra full back.

No, I don't think I would. This has been holding us back for a few years now.

[HunterST_BFC]

Don’t think Cornet was in the Lyon squad today.

and Cornet would fit in our Wafer thin squad

[IanMcL]

Cornet to Hertha Berlin?

Just unfortunate there is only one.

[Burnleyareback2]

Brighton lost today

[Vegas Claret]

Brentford beat a pretty strong Valencia 2-1 !

[kentonclaret]

A thread that was set up to discuss links to potential signings has now descended into a forum discussing reasons how the club has got itself into a situation where players simply don't want to join for either financial or footballing reasons.

[Fez]

No gomez-mancini for the u23s yesterday, was he with the first team and just not named as a sub?

[KRBFC]

Probably not even that. It's been obvious we cannot financially complete at this level, or even the top half of the level below, for some time now.

It was hoped that the takeover might provide some headroom. In our dreams.

In 16/17 we spent £40m on transfers and sold no1. Brady (jan) Hendrick Defour Pope JBG Westwood.

We spent quite a bit on Gray, Vossen, Hennings etc when we were relegated (i know we had Tripp/Ings money).



I don't know what changed so drastically, why did we start stock piling cash instead of spending it on transfers? I can't remember the exact figure but didn't we reportedly have £55-60m in the club accounts just before the takeover. We had so much cash and such a shitty squad, that cash was just built up for ALK to spend on buying the club I guess.

[KRBFC]

It’s an incredibly fine balancing act for Pace to perform. Yes, there needs to be investment, but ultimately, it needs to be within what we can afford, and sustainable. I have no doubt Pace is doing his best to support Dyche.

There will be a hope that Dyche can perform another miracle this season, which will give ALK a bit of breathing space to get more money into the club.

But there was already money in the club before they came.....

[joey13]

But there was already money in the club before they came.....

SSSSSHHHH

[ClaretAL]

Dyche has said the money is there. AP was visibly fuming after the January window, and it was obviously a learning curve for him on how agents go about their business. It's not always about how much a club want for a player, it's all the baggage that goes with the signing of a player.

[fatboy47]

The picture that appears to be emerging is one that re-inforces the less optimistic views that emerged straight after the takeover. The (naieve?) suggestion that there were some financial big beasts lurking in the background ready to pump cash into the club in support of ALK very much seems to have been a bit of a pipedream.

Hopefully the picture may change in the next 3 weeks or so, but I'm not putting my shirt on it. Feels like we've been through the current movie many times already, and this is where I came in.

[box_of_frogs]

A thread that was set up to discuss links to potential signings has now descended into a forum discussing reasons how the club has got itself into a situation where players simply don't want to join for either financial or footballing reasons.

Well there’s no point discussing transfers is there.

[ClaretAL]

Lookman not sure....

https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_n ... ?nid=40696

[ClaretAL]

Lots of outlets pushing the Cornet speculation today, probably just lazy journalism, but we had the same hysteria just before Collins signed

[NewClaret]

Lookman not sure....

https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_n ... ?nid=40696

If Lookman is ‘unsure’ I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of Gawthorpe. Let’s move on.