Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Lancasterclaret]

Lets not get too carried away

Getting Cornet over the line would be an excellent start and hopefully others can be added but we've been here before so we have to be a bit sceptical

[BOYSIE31]

Some people don't like to think others know more than they do
He's usually pretty reliable as far as we are concerned if he puts it in print.

Exactly

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What's wrong with the publication ?

The Sun?
It's a big list

[taio]

Lets not get too carried away

Getting Cornet over the line would be an excellent start and hopefully others can be added but we've been here before so we have to be a bit sceptical

To be fair and understandably I dont think I've ever seen as much scepticism about our ability to make signings.

[ClaretAndJew]

You have to do additional research and reading of course but just because something is in the Sun doesn't mean it is a bad source. Similarly something in the Guardian doesn't mean it's gospel either.

I also think the Sun is a disgusting **** rag but doesn't mean this particular piece of information is wrong.

[PremierLeagueClass]

What's wrong with the publication ?

Is that a serious question?

[BOYSIE31]

Is that a serious question?

What for sports reporting??

[Lancasterclaret]

What for sports reporting??

Its fine for sports reporting, all the papers are

Its just not fine for almost everything else, along with a few others

[Papabendi]

CP set to win the race for Hughes.

[BOYSIE31]

Its fine for sports reporting, all the papers are

Its just not fine for almost everything else, along with a few others

All tabloids the same so don't read but we are talking about football transfers

[Jakubs Tash]

And I'm not sure he broke the story either

But he's one of the better sources for us that is relatively public

He did. Nixon was first to report the interest on Cornet on 11th July.

[Woodleyclaret]

We can do better than Hughes hes not the cobatative cm playmaker we need

[BOYSIE31]

He did. Nixon was first to report the interest on Cornet on 11th July.

He was on the morning of the euro final

[Jakubs Tash]

Which quotes the article from the sun, basically saying the same as l'equipe published on August 14th, that the fee has been agreed and it's just down to negotiating with the player. The only headlines in France over the weekend about Cornet relate to his comments on instagram about an alleged training ground bust up. He denies that there was any wrong doing at the club and nothing happened between him and Brazilian Marcelo Guedes who was sent to play with the U23s. The only bad behaviour, he says, was himself getting sent off for a second yellow during the 3-0 defeat against Angers.

The reports from last week didn’t say we had a bid accepted. It said we had got to a level which allowed us to start talking to the player. Alan Nixon was saying we were still £3m short of Lyon’s asking price. It seems we have now met their price so the deal should now be a lot further on than last week.

[Reecey1987]

He did. Nixon was first to report the interest on Cornet on 11th July.

He actually mentioned it on the 4th of July. He said we was after 2 wingers one was very challenging He was on about Cornet . The other player was from Leicester

[Burnley Ace]

Is Cornet playing this afternoon? It’s on BT sports now.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Is Cornet playing this afternoon? It’s on BT sports now.

No was suspended for two yellows last week

[jojomk1]

We can do better than Hughes hes not the cobatative cm playmaker we need

Spot on

Too much like our current guys - small, weak in the air and no pace

A season loan of Maitland-Niles would be the better alternative

[Boss Hogg]

No he’s suspended. Lyon just scored a good goal though.

[RVclaret]

Hughes would play RM for us in a 4-4-2 as he has done for Watford over the past few years. Few of you should watch some more football.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Hughes would be as close to a defour signing as we could manage. He is a class above what we could normally get but injuries have halted his career meaning he hasn’t made it to the big clubs and England set up.

[WiscoClaret]

I won’t bother with the link given the publication but was told today that we are optimistic about Cornet.

Might there be an article written or in the works?

[RVclaret]

Interestingly the Athletic reporter for Watford just said neither Palace or Burnley are quite there with the fee for Hughes despite Nixon’s report today re. Palace.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Just seen Hughes is only 25. That would be a good deal.

[kazza]

Just seen Hughes is only 25. That would be a good deal.

I can't believe some fans don't want him. The same people who didn't want Xherdan Shaqiri and said Grealish wasn't good enough for us when he was playing in the Championship. Bonkers. We won't be signing him, but I'd love it if he had come to us.

[timel0veandtendayi]

Always thought of him as a creative player but 3 goals and 1 assist in the last 2 seasons isn't quite what I was expecting to see.

[ClaretTony]

Is that a serious question?

I’m amazed some need to ask.

[jrgbfc]

Can't believe Hughes is only 25, feels like he's been around forever.

[ClaretAndJew]

Can't believe Hughes is only 25, feels like he's been around forever.

Started at Derby when he was 16!

[Long Time Lurker]

If Kim Kardashian did transfer negotiations.



Cornet looks a decent player, but I can't help feel that we are slowly being taken to the cleaners, given that Lyon obviously want to sell and replace him.

If Nixon is in the right ballpark we are looking at paying out a club record transfer fee of £15m ( with possible add ons ) and the highest salary at the club ( with Lyon throwing in some extra cash to top up what we might pay him ).

That is a very hefty outlay, even if we take into account that the transfer fee is probably going to be paid over the full four years instead of up front.

Hertha aren't rolling in money. The money pumped in by Lars Windhorst, their generous benefactor, has all been spent and he is currently occupied with his own financial concerns. They raised some cash by selling Cordoba and Netz, but they spent on Serdar and they signed Richter ( a winger ) last week. Boateng and Jovetic won't have been free in the strictest sense either. Given the complications that Rune Jarstein is suffering from, after contracting Covid, a backup keeper is probably on their shopping list as well.

If they don't sell Cunha in this window then it is difficult to see were another winger might fit in, especially when Piatek returns to fitness which will free up their forwards to play in other positions. It isn't entirely unthinkable they might still be interested in a left winger, and Radinjic ( the left winger they loaned in last season ) is rumoured to be off to Benfica, so they might still have an interest in Cornet.

It just seems a bit strange that they dipped out early at a reputed £10m, subsequently signed another winger for £7m, and the suggestion is that we are now ready to stump up £5m more than their highest offer ( with nobody else interested in Cornet ) to get this transfer over the line. In a similar vein to Collins we are practically bidding against ourselves.

It will be interesting to see how long we can keep going with a primary negotiation tactic of throwing more and more money at clubs and players until everyone involved in a transfer says yes.

Normally, when the numbers start getting out of hand, potential suitors turn their attention towards other targets on their buying list. Maybe we have backed ourselves into a no option corner and it is now Cornet at any price or nothing.

Would Jed Wallace ( who is in the last year of his contract ) be available for those numbers or might Arsenal consider reducing their demands for Ashley Maitland Niles when the deadline draws near. I previously mentioned Abdou Harroui as an interesting player, who the rumour is linking to Nottingham Forest for a couple of million, and exactly how much would it take to tempt Celtic to part with Christie a bit earlier than expected.

As the numbers get ever higher, the questions get ever louder, is Cornet really worth the time effort and money ?

Is he the one to lead us to Knickerbocker Glory or might we be better off having a last look around at other options ?

Will we risk losing him if we string Lyon on for another week with our negotiations?

Would walking away, or at least expressing an interest in alternatives, make Lyon and Cornet more or less likely to accept a deal that is better for us ?

As other posters alluded to on the transfer thread ( before it was locked ) do we really want to sign a player whose heart isn't really set on joining us, forcing the issue by making him a generous financial offer that is too good to refuse.

Throwing ever larger sums of money at a singular situation until all the people involved in it say yes just strikes me as a really poor way to do business and a poor way to attract the right character of player. Money is important to everyone, but should it really be the overriding factor when we are trying to convince a player to join us ?

I'm crossing my fingers that Nixon is wide of the mark in terms of what this deal is going to cost us ( good player or not ) and it isn't all about the money for Cornet.

[ClaretTony]

Can't believe Hughes is only 25, feels like he's been around forever.

He’s 26 but, as ClaretandJew posted, he got in the Derby squad at 16 and made his first league start at 17.

[Long Time Lurker]

I can't believe some fans don't want him. The same people who didn't want Xherdan Shaqiri and said Grealish wasn't good enough for us when he was playing in the Championship. Bonkers. We won't be signing him, but I'd love it if he had come to us.

I objected to Shaqiri and I thought Grealish was more of a pest than a player in the Championship. However, in respect to the latter he has improved massively in the Premiership. Moving him out to the left wing, surrounding him with better players and exposing him to a higher level of football that rewards his style of play has done wonders for him.

Hughes would have been a pretty good signing at this stage in the window. He is a player that could have done a job on the right, increased our central midfield options, reduced their average age and given us a player with a longer term future. It would have also removed any questions about giving Stephens a new contract next year. His character seems a good fit as well.

Unfortunately we can't really compete with Palace and even if we could the competing interest would push his price above what he is worth.

[Jakubclaret]

I objected to Shaqiri and I thought Grealish was more of a pest than a player in the Championship. However, in respect to the latter he has improved massively in the Premiership. Moving him out to the left wing, surrounding him with better players and exposing him to a higher level of football that rewards his style of play has done wonders for him.

Hughes would have been a pretty good signing at this stage in the window. He is a player that could have done a job on the right, increased our central midfield options, reduced their average age and given us a player with a longer term future. It would have also removed any questions about giving Stephens a new contract next year. His character seems a good fit as well.

Unfortunately we can't really compete with Palace and even if we could the competing interest would push his price above what he is worth.

I think we could compete financially I know we could, but what could possibly go against is the fact that’s he probably based in & around the Hertfordshire area thus being closer to London than the north west, palace have substantially trimmed the wage bill offloading some high earners such as sakho & Cahill ect but haven’t generated any money from sales basically pretty much everybody that left did so with contract expiry & no incoming fees.

[Stalbansclaret]

Seems to have gone quiet re the possible signing of Aaron Lennon.

Perhaps we're waiting to make sure that we get Cornet in before the transfer window shuts. And if we don't then maybe offer Lennon a 3 month contract?

Maybe playing the PR game as announcing Lennon AFTER signing Cornet would be a much better look !

[Hedontplayforyou]

I think Hughes would have been great for us, shame if Palafe have already wrapped up a deal for him.

[Woodleyclaret]

Not paying the going rate has lost us signings previously. Too often we tried to penny pinch and lost out
Maybe the approach will differ under the present board

[Carport]

If Kim Kardashian did transfer negotiations.



Cornet looks a decent player, but I can't help feel that we are slowly being taken to the cleaners, given that Lyon obviously want to sell and replace him.

If Nixon is in the right ballpark we are looking at paying out a club record transfer fee of £15m ( with possible add ons ) and the highest salary at the club ( with Lyon throwing in some extra cash to top up what we might pay him ).

That is a very hefty outlay, even if we take into account that the transfer fee is probably going to be paid over the full four years instead of up front.

Hertha aren't rolling in money. The money pumped in by Lars Windhorst, their generous benefactor, has all been spent and he is currently occupied with his own financial concerns. They raised some cash by selling Cordoba and Netz, but they spent on Serdar and they signed Richter ( a winger ) last week. Boateng and Jovetic won't have been free in the strictest sense either. Given the complications that Rune Jarstein is suffering from, after contracting Covid, a backup keeper is probably on their shopping list as well.

If they don't sell Cunha in this window then it is difficult to see were another winger might fit in, especially when Piatek returns to fitness which will free up their forwards to play in other positions. It isn't entirely unthinkable they might still be interested in a left winger, and Radinjic ( the left winger they loaned in last season ) is rumoured to be off to Benfica, so they might still have an interest in Cornet.

It just seems a bit strange that they dipped out early at a reputed £10m, subsequently signed another winger for £7m, and the suggestion is that we are now ready to stump up £5m more than their highest offer ( with nobody else interested in Cornet ) to get this transfer over the line. In a similar vein to Collins we are practically bidding against ourselves.

It will be interesting to see how long we can keep going with a primary negotiation tactic of throwing more and more money at clubs and players until everyone involved in a transfer says yes.

Normally, when the numbers start getting out of hand, potential suitors turn their attention towards other targets on their buying list. Maybe we have backed ourselves into a no option corner and it is now Cornet at any price or nothing.

Would Jed Wallace ( who is in the last year of his contract ) be available for those numbers or might Arsenal consider reducing their demands for Ashley Maitland Niles when the deadline draws near. I previously mentioned Abdou Harroui as an interesting player, who the rumour is linking to Nottingham Forest for a couple of million, and exactly how much would it take to tempt Celtic to part with Christie a bit earlier than expected.

As the numbers get ever higher, the questions get ever louder, is Cornet really worth the time effort and money ?

Is he the one to lead us to Knickerbocker Glory or might we be better off having a last look around at other options ?

Will we risk losing him if we string Lyon on for another week with our negotiations?

Would walking away, or at least expressing an interest in alternatives, make Lyon and Cornet more or less likely to accept a deal that is better for us ?

As other posters alluded to on the transfer thread ( before it was locked ) do we really want to sign a player whose heart isn't really set on joining us, forcing the issue by making him a generous financial offer that is too good to refuse.

Throwing ever larger sums of money at a singular situation until all the people involved in it say yes just strikes me as a really poor way to do business and a poor way to attract the right character of player. Money is important to everyone, but should it really be the overriding factor when we are trying to convince a player to join us ?

I'm crossing my fingers that Nixon is wide of the mark in terms of what this deal is going to cost us ( good player or not ) and it isn't all about the money for Cornet.

That’s a great post. La Ligue isn’t known as the farmers’ league for nothing. If we sign him let’s hope he can cut it in the PL.

[dibraidio]

The link with Hughes that I read was that Palace had offered 5m and Watford had refused it. For the moment no one has met the asking price.

From the links we've seen lately selling Brownhill for 15m would finance both Hughes and Christie and still leave some money for wages. Not that I'm suggesting that it's that simple or that SD would want to do that.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Hughes is going Palace by the looks of the reports

[mkmel]

I saw Will Hughes play for England U21's a few years ago now. Yes it was only one game but I was quite impressed with him.

He was one of those players that was unhurried and somehow seemed to have time to do what he wanted to do with the ball.

[Colburn_Claret]

Not paying the going rate has lost us signings previously. Too often we tried to penny pinch and lost out
Maybe the approach will differ under the present board

It can only be classed as penny pinching if we had the money and refused to spend it. The truth is far more likely that clubs wanted more than we could afford.
Nobody goes out and buys a Premier league quality player for under 15mill, unless they unearth a gem that no-one else has identified.
Our ceiling is still around that 15mill mark, a lot less than everyone else, so any sign of competition leaves us struggling.
Depending on whether you are a glass half full or glass half empty person, it either leaves you feeling miserable at the clubs lack of ambition, or happy at the unbelievably amazing job that SD has done over the last 6 years

[DCWat]

I objected to Shaqiri and I thought Grealish was more of a pest than a player in the Championship. However, in respect to the latter he has improved massively in the Premiership. Moving him out to the left wing, surrounding him with better players and exposing him to a higher level of football that rewards his style of play has done wonders for him.

Hughes would have been a pretty good signing at this stage in the window. He is a player that could have done a job on the right, increased our central midfield options, reduced their average age and given us a player with a longer term future. It would have also removed any questions about giving Stephens a new contract next year. His character seems a good fit as well.

Unfortunately we can't really compete with Palace and even if we could the competing interest would push his price above what he is worth.

It doesn’t fill me with confidence in the numerous names that you suggest, if you only saw Grealish as a pest.

As for us just throwing extra money at signings, I don’t think that ever has been or ever will be the Burnley way.

[warksclaret]

I dont think he will play that often if he signs for Palace. Mililiojevic still to come back.Gallagher, Koyate and Mcarty being regular starters

[ClaretTony]

Not paying the going rate has lost us signings previously. Too often we tried to penny pinch and lost out
Maybe the approach will differ under the present board

I don’t think we penny pinch at all. It’s just a fact that we don’t have the money to spend on players when the financial commitment goes beyond what we can justify or afford.

[taio]

Hughes would be a decent fit for us. Sounds like he'll end up at Palace though. I thought Okay Yokuslu looked good last season and would probably be available for the same or less money.

[karatekid]

If Cornet does sign would we lose him for a while at the Africa nations cup?

[Long Time Lurker]

It doesn’t fill me with confidence in the numerous names that you suggest, if you only saw Grealish as a pest.

As for us just throwing extra money at signings, I don’t think that ever has been or ever will be the Burnley way.

I didn't say he wasn't a productive pest. Signing John McGinn made a massive difference to them in terms of midfield stability and opening up the options for Grealish to freely flutter about. That caused a lot of teams, including us, big problems as they tried to cope with him.

I don't think there is any real argument against the observation that Grealish has improved massively since Villa stepped up to the top table. In a lot of ways he was carrying Villa in the Championship, surrounding him with better players lessened that need and allowed him to grow into his own game.

Did Villa really sign McGinn, a player that a number of people on here tried to draw attention to, for only £3m ?

No, that can't be the case, we have heard it often enough in the past few windows, good players at moderate prices don't exist.

[ClaretTony]

If Cornet does sign would we lose him for a while at the Africa nations cup?

Potentially and likely to be without Wood during that time for New Zealand’s World Cup qualifiers.

[KRBFC]

I didn't say he wasn't a productive pest. Signing John McGinn made a massive difference to them in terms of midfield stability and opening up the options for Grealish to freely flutter about. That caused a lot of teams, including us, big problems as they tried to cope with him.

I don't think there is any real argument against the observation that Grealish has improved massively since Villa stepped up to the top table. In a lot of ways he was carrying Villa in the Championship, surrounding him with better players lessened that need and allowed him to grow into his own game.

Did Villa really sign McGinn, a player that a number of people on here tried to draw attention to, for only £3m ?

No, that can't be the case, we have heard it often enough in the past few windows, good players at moderate prices don't exist.

Grealish was carrying them in the Premier League too.

[DCWat]

I didn't say he wasn't a productive pest. Signing John McGinn made a massive difference to them in terms of midfield stability and opening up the options for Grealish to freely flutter about. That caused a lot of teams, including us, big problems as they tried to cope with him.

I don't think there is any real argument against the observation that Grealish has improved massively since Villa stepped up to the top table. In a lot of ways he was carrying Villa in the Championship, surrounding him with better players lessened that need and allowed him to grow into his own game.

Did Villa really sign McGinn, a player that a number of people on here tried to draw attention to, for only £3m ?

No, that can't be the case, we have heard it often enough in the past few windows, good players at moderate prices don't exist.

There’s always the odd one or two that look to be a bargain, even before they’ve shown what they’re. Capable of at their new club. McGinn was definitely one of those, much as Christie is in this window.