England v Andorra

[SalisburyClaret]

I keep asking this but nobody has ever answered. In what way is Southgate a yes man?

He follows the FA’s policies and opinions to the letter. Prefers to pick Gateway players to those who are on form or who have shown they’re better.

[Rileybobs]

He didn't like that pass.

I’m not watching it tbh.

[PadihamThickNeck]

People need to take their claret tinted specs off, the same people who thought Ben Mee deserved a call up

[Rileybobs]

He follows the FA’s policies and opinions to the letter. Prefers to pick Gateway players to those who are on form or who have shown they’re better.

I can’t really think of any recent examples of him picking ‘gateway players’ (not actually sure what that means) ahead or those on form. Can you provide examples? Obviously he can’t pick every squad based only on the form English players or he would have a different group of players every time they meet up.

As for the FA’s opinions and policies I’m not quite sure again what you mean. But as an employee of the FA I would expect any England manager to follow their policies. Or would you prefer another Sam Allardyce?

[Les Lawrence]

Think he needs to tighten things up here now we are in front Maybe bring another holding midfielder on

[yTib]

the tourists now making paper aeroplanes.

turgid.

[Vegas Claret]

yawn fest

[FCBurnley]

So. If you were SD would you swap Johnstone for Pope or Coady for Tarks ? Not a chance imo

[boatshed bill]

This is poor.
"Overload", why do they say this?
In my day it was a "man over" or "extra man", are they not allowed to say this now?

[Vegas Claret]

So. If you were SD would you swap Johnstone for Pope or Coady for Tarks ? Not a chance imo

if Pope had been sold I would have wanted us to go for Johnstone

[aclaretinstevenage]

Usual dross against low ranking teams who shouldn't really be automatically in the main draw for these tournaments - IMO of course.

Can't listen to Matterface so put 5 live on.....Sutton is nearly as bad!

[yTib]

wright on about an andorian defence now.

[Rileybobs]

So. If you were SD would you swap Johnstone for Pope or Coady for Tarks ? Not a chance imo

I wouldn’t swap Johnstone for Pope to play for Burnley as Pope’s attributes are perfect for our system. Coady has experience playing in a back three and is supposedly a massive influence on the group off the pitch - something which is very important for a selection who will almost certainly never play in a major tournament.

But really your question is irrelevant, because Southgate is picking these players for England, who are a completely different entity to Burnley.

[Froobs]

Just got back in and seen only 1 goal.
Thats terrible

[Newcastleclaret93]

So. If you were SD would you swap Johnstone for Pope or Coady for Tarks ? Not a chance imo

There’s not much between any of the players you mentioned.

I can see why he’s picked them they are better on the ball than our lads.

IMO Coady and Johnstone would look great in our system

[Les Lawrence]

Why does Pope need to be good on the ball.Hes there to make saves,not ping 30 yard passes

[Bosscat]

wright on about an andorian defence now.

Hadn't realised Shrek was Andorian

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[tiger76]

Why does Pope need to be good on the ball.Hes there to make saves,not ping 30 yard passes

In international football possession and building from the back is key, hence why your keeper needs to be good with his feet.

[Spijed]

In international football possession and building from the back is key, hence why your keeper needs to be good with his feet.

And Sam Johnstone is good with his feet...playing for West Brom?

[yTib]

god, apparently andorra doesn't even have an airport.

surely this at least should be a prerequisite for having international football status.

[Les Lawrence]

I'm sure Pope could pass 5 yards to Stones,who could give him it back ,then he could give it to McGuire etc,etc

[boatshed bill]

Southgate's right-back fetish still in evidence

[tiger76]

And Sam Johnstone is good with his feet...playing for West Brom?

I don't know I don't see much of the Championship, TBH in this game England could play a mannequin for all the difference it would make.

[Vegas Claret]

god, apparently andorra doesn't even have an airport.

surely this at least should be a prerequisite for having international football status.

if I heard it right (I may be wrong) didn't they also say they play on a plastic pitch ?

[Rileybobs]

I'm sure Pope could pass 5 yards to Stones,who could give him it back ,then he could give it to McGuire etc,etc

I can’t believe this is still being debated. Of course Pope can play a simple 5 yard pass. What he can’t do is receive the ball and retain possession under pressure - we’ve seen examples of this with both Burnley and England. His long kicking is also inaccurate.

[yTib]

if I heard it right (I may be wrong) didn't they also say they play on a plastic pitch ?

apparently so. also accy's ground is bigger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadi_Nacional

[boatshed bill]

I can’t believe this is still being debated. Of course Pope can play a simple 5 yard pass. What he can’t do is receive the ball and retain possession under pressure - we’ve seen examples of this with both Burnley and England. His long kicking is also inaccurate.

This, unfortunately, is correct.

[Woodleyclaret]

What complete bxxxxxxs Nick's injury has now relegated him to No3 behind a keeper who's just.been relegated ffs Southgate really is clueless

[Vegas Claret]

apparently so. also accy's ground is bigger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadi_Nacional

bonkers

[SalisburyClaret]

I can’t really think of any recent examples of him picking ‘gateway players’ (not actually sure what that means) ahead or those on form. Can you provide examples? Obviously he can’t pick every squad based only on the form English players or he would have a different group of players every time they meet up.

As for the FA’s opinions and policies I’m not quite sure again what you mean. But as an employee of the FA I would expect any England manager to follow their policies. Or would you prefer another Sam Allardyce?

Gateway - you can look it all up but in a nutshell - Spain won the World Cup, the FA thought that was the pinnacle of footballing brilliance, went to Spain, grabbed their ideas and built St George’s Park to teach the Spanish way to all the new Coaches, who in turn coached the young players who in turn got preferential treatment for selection in England U16 teams then the U18’s, etc to the full England squad. If you don’t come through the Gateway, like say Grealish, then your struggle to break into the England set up is that much harder - especially with someone like Southgate in charge who is so keen to follow FA instructions to the letter

[Les Lawrence]

Why are they still picking him in squad then if he's **** with his feet

[Vegas Claret]

fair to say that Andorra have so far defended better than Hungary did

[boatshed bill]

Why are they still picking him in squad then if he's **** with his feet

Because Henderson isn't playing at all?

[yTib]

i've had to turn it off.

beyond crap.

[Conroysleftfoot]

I can see why Southgate will never pick Dwight, we do not want to cross the ball.

[Vegas Claret]

I don't think anyone has given Southgate a selection problem going forward. We know Bellingham is class but the rest have been really average, very one paced and lacking invention

[Newcastleclaret93]

Because Henderson isn't playing at all?

I suspect when Ramsdale and Henderson start playing regularly Pope won’t get a sniff of the England squad again

[Les Lawrence]

Why not just drop him.Say look Pope your not good enough with your feet for the way we wanna play.Dont waste your time ,your never gonna be good enough.

[Rileybobs]

Gateway - you can look it all up but in a nutshell - Spain won the World Cup, the FA thought that was the pinnacle of footballing brilliance, went to Spain, grabbed their ideas and built St George’s Park to teach the Spanish way to all the new Coaches, who in turn coached the young players who in turn got preferential treatment for selection in England U16 teams then the U18’s, etc to the full England squad. If you don’t come through the Gateway, like say Grealish, then your struggle to break into the England set up is that much harder - especially with someone like Southgate in charge who is so keen to follow FA instructions to the letter

Sounds like the FA and Southgate deserve massive credit for copying Spain’s model and giving a hugely underperforming national team it’s most success in over 50 years.

[Les Lawrence]

What success?

[boatshed bill]

I can see why Southgate will never pick Dwight, we do not want to cross the ball.

We are short out on the left, Tripps can only turn back inside and we have no winger.
Shaw is different class when he plays.

[diamondpocket]

Gateway - you can look it all up but in a nutshell - Spain won the World Cup, the FA thought that was the pinnacle of footballing brilliance, went to Spain, grabbed their ideas and built St George’s Park to teach the Spanish way to all the new Coaches, who in turn coached the young players who in turn got preferential treatment for selection in England U16 teams then the U18’s, etc to the full England squad. If you don’t come through the Gateway, like say Grealish, then your struggle to break into the England set up is that much harder - especially with someone like Southgate in charge who is so keen to follow FA instructions to the letter

For curiosity, When did this process start of copying Spain?

[boatshed bill]

I suspect when Ramsdale and Henderson start playing regularly Pope won’t get a sniff of the England squad again

You may very well be right.

[Spijed]

Ramsdale will play for England because some will think that just because he was signed by Arsenal he must be a very good keeper.

[Rileybobs]

Why not just drop him.Say look Pope your not good enough with your feet for the way we wanna play.Dont waste your time ,your never gonna be good enough.

Maybe he will. He’s given Pope 7 caps though so it’s not like he hasn’t been given chance to impress. At the moment though Southgate obviously rates him as one of his best three available goalkeepers so is rightly selecting him.

[Rileybobs]

What success?

Is that a serious question?

[Les Lawrence]

Yep

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yep

Semi final and a final in the last two tournaments ring a bell?

[Rileybobs]

Yep

See above. Maybe you’ve been sleeping for the past few years.

[yTib]

i must measure success differently.

for me it means actual success. not nearly succeeding. or nearly nearly succeeding.

spain have won 3 major tournaments so far this century. comparing england to spain is nonsense.