Fracking

[Chobulous]

Massive gas reserves in West Lancs, massive gas prices. Time to bite the bullet

[taio]

Would prefer it didn't happen based on what occurred in Little Plumpton.

[Burnley Ace]

Would prefer it didn't happen based on what occurred in Little Plumpton.

What occurred

[Billy Balfour]

Natural gas is a fairly clean burning fossil fuel. This country should never have allowed its energy security to get in the mess its in.

[Jakubclaret]

Natural gas is a fairly clean burning fossil fuel. This country should never have allowed its energy security to get in the mess its in.

Is it in a mess though? Or are certain people saying it is to put the prices up & make more money when things aren’t that bad.

[taio]

What occurred

Can't remember the ins and out but pollution, earthquakes and serious concerns among local residents.

[bf2k]

Natural gas is a fairly clean burning fossil fuel.

It is the cleanest fossil fuel when burnt but it’s still pretty harmful to the environment. Natural gas is mainly made up of methane (CH4). When burnt you get carbon dioxide (CO2) and Carbon Monoxide (CO) amongst others which are harmful greenhouse gases.

This country should never have allowed its energy security to get in the mess its in.

This i agree with. To rely on another country to supply your energy is not the best idea is it?

I’m doing a lot of work in looking to switch from Nat gas to hydrogen in our machines. This seems to be the way to go. Green hydrogen is 100% clean and can be produced from 100% green, renewable energy.

[Paul Waine]

Is it in a mess though? Or are certain people saying it is to put the prices up & make more money when things aren’t that bad.

The "certain people" putting up the price of gas are the buyers around the world who are prepared to pay high prices for gas, while there is a shortage of supply. Last year covid-19 impacted the world. A lot of things stopped and some of those things that stopped stopped buying gas. So, the gas producers had too much gas, so they stopped producing. Simple thing is, as the world has started to open up, some things can happen faster than others. Demand for gas is one of those things that can "open up" quickly. However, re-opening gas wells to produce gas takes longer, hence the global shortage.

But, it's only a "high prices" issue. It will get sorted and the world will re-balance. Meanwhile, keep an extra layer handy for those colder days.

[Volvoclaret]

Can't remember the ins and out but pollution, earthquakes and serious concerns among local residents.

Non of which actually happened

[taio]

Non of which actually happened

I bed to differ. But if you have better info fair enough.

[martin_p]

Non of which actually happened

As a resident of the Fylde coast at the time I can confirm the earthquakes definitely happened.

[Stayingup]

Would prefer it didn't happen based on what occurred in Little Plumpton.

Did you mean Woodplumpton? And what did happen?

[Stayingup]

As a resident of the Fylde coast at the time I can confirm the earthquakes definitely happened.

What were they on the Richter Scale and what damage did they do?

[Jakubclaret]

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/environment/ ... 190348?amp

[Stayingup]

Can't remember the ins and out but pollution, earthquakes and serious concerns among local residents.

If you cant remember and dont know why are you posting this cr@p?

[Bordeauxclaret]

It’s like those abuses against humanity that have been mentioned on this board in the last few days.
We’ve learnt they haven’t happened if you simply don’t want to believe them.

[taio]

Did you mean Woodplumpton? And what did happen?

I meant what I said.

[taio]

If you cant remember and dont know why are you posting this cr@p?

I didn't say I can't remember or didn't know. My understanding is there was leaking of methane, there were recorded earth tremors and I know for sure there were concerned local residents. Perhaps you could explain further rather posting this cr@p.

[Stayingup]

I didn't say I can't remember or didn't know. My understanding is there was leaking of methane, there were recorded earth tremors and I know for sure there were concerned local residents. Perhaps you could explain further rather posting this cr@p.

Your understanding??? So you dont know? More cr@p

[bobinho]

The "certain people" putting up the price of gas are the buyers around the world who are prepared to pay high prices for gas, while there is a shortage of supply. Last year covid-19 impacted the world. A lot of things stopped and some of those things that stopped stopped buying gas. So, the gas producers had too much gas, so they stopped producing. Simple thing is, as the world has started to open up, some things can happen faster than others. Demand for gas is one of those things that can "open up" quickly. However, re-opening gas wells to produce gas takes longer, hence the global shortage.

But, it's only a "high prices" issue. It will get sorted and the world will re-balance. Meanwhile, keep an extra layer handy for those colder days.

Oh! So when it’s all calmed down, gas prices will reduce to what they were (ish) pre-Covid.

That’s great. I shall look forward to that.

[Stayingup]

What I remember most vividly and frankly joyously is Emma Thompson - you know the one who hates UL and noved to Venice - campaigning at Woodplumpton and a local farmer spreading his silage on her and her sister
Have to say I enjoyed that.

[taio]

Your understanding??? So you dont know? More cr@p

Instead of your flippant and obnoxious responses perhaps set out your opposite view.

Here are a couple of souces to support my view:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lan ... -55267000

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-c ... 1.html?amp

[Stayingup]

Oh! So when it’s all calmed down, gas prices will reduce to what they were (ish) pre-Covid.

That’s great. I shall look forward to that.

Shippung, coal ( in China).Gas. prices rarely come down
This is a crisis brought on largely by idiot Eco nut case politicians who will be gone when our children - and us now - have to pay the price. Our forebears worked hard and achieved affordable energy, affordable holidays abroad
Gone now. The present day politicians are absolute garbage.

[Stayingup]

Instead of your flippant and obnoxious responses perhaps set out your opposite view.

Here are a couple of souces to support my view:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lan ... -55267000

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-c ... 1.html?amp

Not particularly obnoxious at all. Either you know or you dont know.
BBC and Independent, Oh well if it was up to them
Cartwright, Crompton and of course Hargreaves and more of our great inventors should never have been born. We need energy sources now

[taio]

Not particularly obnoxious at all. Either you know or you dont know.
BBC and Independent, Oh well if it was up to them
Cartwright, Crompton and of course Hargreaves and more of our great inventors should never have been born. We need energy sources now

Are you saying there was no such thing as a methane leak, earth tremors and concerned local residents?

[Stayingup]

Are you saying there was no such thing as a methane leak, earth tremors and concerned local residents?

I dont know
What I do know is we need reliable energy. Do you remember coal.mining? There were issues there but my god it improved the lives of millions of working class people and if you and your sort want to cause energy poverty by advocating no fracking, no.nuclear, no gas then sleep well.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Quite a leap.

[taio]

I dont know
What I do know is we need reliable energy. Do you remember coal.mining? There were issues there but my god it improved the lives of millions of working class people and if you and your sort want to cause energy poverty by advocating no fracking, no.nuclear, no gas then sleep well.

You are making things up.

[Stayingup]

Quite a leap.

When I lived in France Nuclear was one of the main sources of energy? One plant on the Rhone not far from me. Is it still?

[Stayingup]

You are making things up.

Well you in a world away from reality might think so. But believe me I am in a real and industrial world.

[Boss Hogg]

I’d like to see more CEOs and Directors of fracking firms really support what they deem to be safe and relocate their families and homes to within the vicinity of fracking sites.

[Taffy on the wing]

Can't remember the ins and out but pollution, earthquakes and serious concerns among local residents.

Injecting a mystery (they won't fully disclose) cocktail of toxic chemicals and water at extremely high pressure.
What could possibly go wrong? There are many farms and communities across the US that have been rendered inhabitable by fracking.......Methane in the water supply etc.
Oil & Gas companies have shown time & time again...... they can't be trusted.

[Stayingup]

I’d like to see more CEOs and Directors of fracking firms really support what they deem to be safe and relocate their families and homes to within the vicinity of fracking sites.

Ok fine. What an idiotic comment

Why not move them to a wind farm in the English Channel?

Anyway forget it the working classes who are more concerned about the cost of putting food on the table than net zero. But bollicks to them
They are thick.

[Guppyspotter]

Regardless of the fracking, what will happen is that the 'gov't' will whack up the price cap, wholesale prices will go down and gas companies will take full advantage of the increased cap and agree to sting average joe.

[taio]

Well you in a world away from reality might think so. But believe me I am in a real and industrial world.

You said you don't know about the three concerns i raised...after labelling them cr@p. You then proceed to suggest me and my type - whatever that is - are against other forms of energy e.g. nuclear without me mentioning this, or you having any idea what my broader views on sustainable sources of energy are

[Boss Hogg]

If you cant remember and dont know why are you posting this cr@p?

[Billy Balfour]

I'm all for lower carbon emissions where practical, but the problem is that the self-defeating Road Glue Types would have been up in arms if we had emulated the French and embarked on a similar nuclear energy policy.

We could have been benefiting from a zero-emission clean energy source, but no. The problem is that our past and present politicians have been too cowardly, to put it lightly, and now our reliance on gas will leave millions of people in fuel poverty this winter, not to the mention the impact on the economy and the sorry state of our energy security.

[Stayingup]

Regardless of the fracking, what will happen is that the 'gov't' will whack up the price cap, wholesale prices will go down and gas companies will take full advantage of the increased cap and agree to sting average joe.

You are correct mainly
But prices will go up but not come down
Its a tough world. All brought on by China and the idiot politicians. They are short term thinkers and clueless about life outside their narrow world.

[Boss Hogg]

Your understanding??? So you dont know? More cr@p

[Boss Hogg]

If you cant remember and dont know why are you posting this cr@p?

[Boss Hogg]

Ok fine. What an idiotic comment

Why not move them to a wind farm in the English Channel?

Anyway forget it the working classes who are more concerned about the cost of putting food on the table than net zero. But bollicks to them
They are thick.

[Boss Hogg]

Only one poster looking idiotic here. Perhaps you should’t be ‘staying up’ and go to bed.

[taio]

If you cant remember and dont know why are you posting this cr@p?

Wait for it.......

I dont know

[Stayingup]

Wait for it.......

Wait for what? You to post something you actually know about? Or more conjecture that suits your poltical agenda? Tell me how old are you? Teenager?

[taio]

Wait for what? You to post something you actually k ow about? Or more conjecture that suits your poltical agenda? Tell me how old are you? Teenager?

I've no political agenda here. I simply posted what I thought were confirmed events: methane leak; earth tremors; and concerned residents. You said that was "cr@p", yet you are incapable of saying why that's the case and instead have started saying things that nobody has even referred to.

[Stayingup]

I've no political agenda here. I simply posted what I thought were confirmed events: methane leak; earth tremors; and concerned residents. You said that was "cr@p", yet you are incapable of saying why that's the case and instead have started saying things that nobody has even referred to.

Your a good guy. Enjoy your evening. Have to go I am in a different time zone to UK.Its late

[Devils_Advocate]

Is Sunday considered to be the end of the week or the start of the week? Just trying to work out if Stayingup is making a last dash attempt to win clown of the week or if he's setting the early pace for the crown

[Burnley Ace]

As a resident of the Fylde coast at the time I can confirm the earthquakes definitely happened.

I live about 8 miles from the site and never felt a tremor never mind an “earthquake”

[Jakubclaret]

I live about 8 miles from the site and never felt a tremor never mind an “earthquake”

So that must obviously mean nobody else did then because you didn’t, strange logic, I felt something in cartford near the toll bridge & not massively close it definitely happened.

[taio]

I live about 8 miles from the site and never felt a tremor never mind an “earthquake”

It's proven/factual that it ocurred isn't it, more than once, irrespective of whether you felt it?