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by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:12 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:09 pm
That link says games will be cancelled if a referee cannot "guarantee the safety" of the players.
Using this logic we should never ever ever play football at all. Not ever.
This is a cowardly decision and part of a wider cowardice whereby the slightest of risks leads to stupid decisions.
Obviously guaranteeing the safety of the players ìs in the context of the adverse weather conditions.
It's clearly a combination of factors and not just health and safety.
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by claret2018 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:14 pm
I can’t believe they don’t run all big decisions past Rowls as he knows so much more than everyone else.
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by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:14 pm
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:10 pm
If we decided whether games are played based on weather forecasts and what the temp might be we’d barely play between November and February.
It hasn't been decided on the weather forecast, the game is deemed unplayable now. If however there was a chance that the weather forecast in the next few hours was good enough to allow a short delay with the prospect of the conditions becoming playable then thats a decision the ref could have taken.
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by Andreshotboots » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:17 pm
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:14 pm
It hasn't been decided on the weather forecast, the game is deemed unplayable now. If however there was a chance that the weather forecast in the next few hours was good enough to allow a short delay with the prospect of the conditions becoming playable then thats a decision the ref could have taken.
Exactly. Can you imagine the reaction on here if we'd have attempted to play in those hideous conditions and Cornet did an ACL?
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by DCWat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:17 pm
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:07 pm
All these people slagging off the people in authority for calling this game off, are the same type of people who'd be the first on the phone to an injury lawyer should they fall on ice in or around the stadium footprint.
That’s a sweeping assumption.
I’d suggest it’s more likely the opposite, and that those who are happy to put up with adverse conditions, are the least likely to blame others should their decision result in accident or injury.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 pm
So how's the weather in Burnley right now?
Is it still physically impossible to play a game of football?
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by Tribesmen » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 pm
Look if you have been to a lot of matches then you will be in the same boat when one gets called off .
Just have to grin and bear it and get on with life .
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by DCWat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Clear skies en route back over to West Yorkshire.
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by Stayingup » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:14 pm
It hasn't been decided on the weather forecast, the game is deemed unplayable now. If however there was a chance that the weather forecast in the next few hours was good enough to allow a short delay with the prospect of the conditions becoming playable then thats a decision the ref could have taken.
Not Hooper then!!! He voukd hardly make a decision.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:21 pm
DCWat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Clear skies en route back over to West Yorkshire.
There's a surprise.
What a waste of everybody's time and money.
Really feel for the supporters who travelled and had their time and money wasted.
Referee should hang his head in shame and think about how much people spend on football before jumping to cowardly decisions in the name of risk aversion.
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by ElectroClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:21 pm
Hammering it down at the City/West Ham game now.
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by Volvoclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:22 pm
DCWat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Clear skies en route back over to West Yorkshire.
Still snowing in worsthorne
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by Goody1975 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 pm
So how's the weather in Burnley right now?
Is it still physically impossible to play a game of football?
It's still snowing at 2.22pm
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by Winstonswhite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:21 pm
Hammering it down at the City/West Ham game now.
Quick call it off before it’s Armageddon!
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by ElectroClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm
Still snowing in Accy, but it's eased off a bit.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:24 pm
Goody1975 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm
It's still snowing at 2.22pm
Impossible to play football on a pitch that would have been cleared?
Impossible to play the game a tiny bit later rather than waste everybody else's money and time?
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by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:24 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 pm
So how's the weather in Burnley right now?
Is it still physically impossible to play a game of football?
Still snowing but easing. Pitch covered so not playable at the moment.
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by Culmclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:24 pm
Yep. We’ve all been there. Exeter and Watford a couple of my personal favourites. Home to Torquay in the late 80s also springs to mind. One that went the other way was Plymouth in 81/82: one of a handful of games played that day but would never have been played if it were today.
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by ElectroClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:24 pm
Winstonswhite wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm
Quick call it off before it’s Armageddon!
Doesn't seem to be sticking to the pitch.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:26 pm
taio wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:24 pm
Still snowing but easing. Pitch covered so not playable at the moment.
The pitch would have been cleared.
It is perfectly possible to play football in a bit of snow.
The referee could have simply delayed it an hour.
That pitch will be perfectly playable.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:27 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:11 pm
The fans should take themselves into consideration. You do things like watch the weather forecast or look out of the window before you decide to rock up in shirt and sandals or boots, overcoat, hat & scarf.
The health and safety officer at the club can postpone the match if they think the conditions are dangerous to the general public.
This is not the case today which is why I haven't mentioned it.
Do you always cower indoors when it is cold "just in case"?
Have you never been outside in the snow in your life?
I'll be out and about working tonight and it's forecasting snow here at 3pm.
You can carry being annoyed but you don't know what the health and safety officer at the club has said to the ref, same with local emergency services etc
The ref will talk to multiple people before calling it off, Inc club officials
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by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:28 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 pm
So how's the weather in Burnley right now?
Is it still physically impossible to play a game of football?
Why you focusing just on the playing of the game? Getting 18000 people to and from the game is a very big risk with the state of the surrounding areas. Even if the snow fall has slowed its still heavy. As the day goes on the snow will freeze making it even more hazardous. Why can’t you see the bigger picture that the match officials and police have to look at?
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 pm
It's pathetic GodIsADeeJay81.
The referee should NOT be talking to the ground safety officer. His only decision is on the pitch.
The ground safety officer tells the referee if the match needs to be called off due to some perilous danger to the public. Not the other way round.
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by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:26 pm
The pitch would have been cleared.
It is perfectly possible to play football in a bit of snow.
The referee could have simply delayed it an hour.
That pitch will be perfectly playable.
The pitch is not currently playable. But delaying the kick off could've been an option because the weather is certainty improving. I imagine it's easier said than done though but not insurmountable.
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by burnley007 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 pm
Why couldn't they delay kick off??
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by bumba » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:30 pm
Game could very easily been played at 3pm, waited for Conte's arrival before a decision was made. He's obviously going to want it called off. Joke
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:31 pm
taio wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 pm
The pitch is not currently playable. But delaying the kick off could've been an option because the weather is certainty improving. I imagine it's easier said than done though but not insurmountable.
The pitch might not be playable because they've stopped clearing the snow.
There is no doubt in my mind that the match could have been starting now.
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by Tall Paul » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:31 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 pm
Why couldn't they delay kick off??
They have, by a few weeks.
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by burnley007 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:32 pm
a joke of a decision.
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by jedi_master » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:33 pm
I fancied us today and with a gap starting to emerge (above Leeds, anyway), I really wanted this game played. Brentford winning already, another team that (in my opinion) we have to finish above to stay up. As I type, Watford just equalised at Leicester and again, they’re a team I would have hoped we could perhaps finish above.
We’re playing well but the teams above us are getting the wins that we aren’t - sometimes a gap emerging just becomes too big a hurdle to overcome. Really wanted us to get a win today. I appreciate this is not a weather post per se, just trying to stress my annoyance and worry it’s happened, we could have done with it against a really poor (currently) Spurs side.
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by Jimscho » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:33 pm
Coming down hard again in Rawtenstall.So some of you want supporters sitting on the football ground for an extra hour or two in freezing conditions to see if game can go ahead later.
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by Taffy on the wing » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:34 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:53 pm
People just say "safety" these days like that trumps everything.
It's the equivalent of "I couldn't do X because of 'personal reasons' " as if it gives you an automatic free pass. It's cowardly and takes no account of the expense and time people have gone to to get to the game.
I feel especially sorry for the Tottenham supporters who travelled but there will be plenty of Burnley fans who travelled great distances to watch this game.
"IT'S FREEZING", you say? Well guess what? It's winter - it will be cold. That's what it's like in the UK.
Cold weather is not a "safety" issue. It means people should wear appropriate clothes.
They could easily have at least waited an hour to see if the pitch was playable, especially as the forecast is that the sleet and snow is going to end very shortly.
Whoever has made this decision has done so out of a warped sense of risk aversion trumping all other considerations. It's cowardly and unfair on the supporters.
Wait and see what the weather is like at 3pm or 4pm when this game could very, very easily have been played.
Someone is disappointed & having a hissy fit!
Get over it.
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by RVclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:34 pm
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:33 pm
I fancied us today and with a gap starting to emerge (above Leeds, anyway), I really wanted this game played. Brentford winning already, another team that (in my opinion) we have to finish above to stay up. As I type, Watford just equalised at Leicester and again, they’re a team I would have hoped we could perhaps finish above.
We’re playing well but the teams above us are getting the wins that we aren’t - sometimes a gap emerging just becomes too big a hurdle to overcome. Really wanted us to get a win today. I appreciate this is not a weather post per se, just trying to stress my annoyance and worry it’s happened, we could have done with it against a really poor (currently) Spurs side.
Agree with all of this. Seeing their defence of Sanchez, Dier and Davies I was quite confident of getting something.
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by Aclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:35 pm
What do they do with the pies ?
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Is now the right time to discuss the idea of a winter break in the PL?
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by ICL » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Just got back home (Reedley). Roads log jammed in and around Burnley centre. Snow now easing off / stopped, but given how much snow came down and when, it’s not surprising the game was called off. Got to feel sorry for all the fans who travelled long distances to be here.
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by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:31 pm
The pitch might not be playable because they've stopped clearing the snow.
There is no doubt in my mind that the match could have been starting now.
They stopped clearing the snow because it was quickly recovering as confirmed by Dyche.
But now the weather has improved a 4pm kick-off would seem to be a realistic option giving time for the pitch to be cleared again.
I know there's no doubt in your mind, and well done for sticking to your guns, but there will be a range influencing factors you or I don't need to consider.
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by DCWat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Is now the right time to discuss the idea of a winter break in the PL?
Considering the winter break wouldn’t be now, no.
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by Vino blanco » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
Blue sky and sunshine andabout 17 degrees here in Benalmadena, I feel bloody awful though after my covid booster jab on Thursday.
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by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Is now the right time to discuss the idea of a winter break in the PL?
No.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
Blue sky over Turf Moor 32 minutes after the game should have started.
It's an appalling decision and this will have cost a lot of people a lot of money.
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by TheFamilyCat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
DCWat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Clear skies en route back over to West Yorkshire.
Should've just moved the game to Ilkley then
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:38 pm
Go and lie down in a dark room and calm down Rowls.
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:39 pm
taio wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:37 pm
They stopped clearing the snow because it was quickly recovering as confirmed by Dyche.
But now the weather has improved a 4pm kick-off would seem to be a realistic option giving time for the pitch to be cleared again.
I know there's no doubt in your mind, and well done for sticking to your guns, but there will be a range influencing factors you or I don't need to consider.
Like checking the bleeding forecast and delaying the decision?
It's a dreadful, selfish decision that will cost a lot of people a lot of their hard-earned money and it will have wasted a lot of time for thousands of people.
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by TheFamilyCat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:40 pm
Aclaret wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:35 pm
What do they do with the pies ?
Reheat them in a fortnight
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by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:40 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:38 pm
Go and lie down in a dark room and calm down Rowls.
If people don't get angry about this kind of crap then it will happen.
If the referee isn't made to think about what he's done and learn from this mistake he'll do the same thing again.
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by arise_sir_charge » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:42 pm
Assume the City game will be abandoned shortly. Might be slippy on the paths outside.
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by minnieclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:42 pm
Where did Spurs stay overnight that the ref waited for Conte to arrive? If there was any doubt ring him to get his arse down there.
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by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:42 pm
Doubtful the game would have been as entertaining as this thread.
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by daveisaclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:43 pm
Very disappointing to get to Burnley just in time to turn around and come straight home, but some small solace in how much it’s annoyed Rowls.