A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

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A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:38 pm

If the inevitable happens and due to size of the club, catchment area etc etc it was going to happen at some time. It eventually happened to all the "smaller clubs" in North West (Bolton, Wigan, Rovers, Blackpool etc etc). The major disappointment will be if we drop with a whimper rather than fighting to the end.
A drop gives us time to re-set and its still a massive task as several players will leave either because they want to or we want them to. It still leaves a aging squad to replace to be able to try and bounce back but also the nucleus of a squad that can survive hopefully a premiership season the following year - no mean feat.
The fans can get their feet back on the ground, lower that expectation level and hopefully re-set to enjoy the football again and enjoy for sure more wins home and away.
Think a re-set gives everyone, the new owners, manager, staff, fans a time to breath, build back the confidence and the feel good factor throughout the town and club. Time to rebuild and time to reflect on the mistakes and to endeavour not to repeat them if we bounce back.
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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by dougcollins » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:45 pm

A 'reset' can also involve being sat in the championship for some time wondering how you're going to get back up. There are no guarantees.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by dsr » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:54 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:45 pm
A 'reset' can also involve being sat in the championship for some time wondering how you're going to get back up. There are no guarantees.
That's verging towards optimism. A "reset" can also involve using all the parachute money to pay off debts and trying to avoid further relegation.
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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:05 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:45 pm
A 'reset' can also involve being sat in the championship for some time wondering how you're going to get back up. There are no guarantees.
Not sure what championship matches you have watched this season but be amazed if you have seen anything to frighten you. Just a quick recap a team that lost 7-0 at home 6 weeks ago is now 2nd. We won't win every game for sure but nothing to be scared of.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:07 pm

A club reset would send us into the ******* oblivion.

Anyone thinking otherwise is mushy brained.

Why would we need a reset? If we'd managed ourselves properly, we wouldn't be in this mess. The easiest thing is not to **** it all away in the first place.

Did someone say we paid £17m for Rodriguez? If that's true we deserve to go to the dogs.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:08 pm

A reset is always going to be inevitable given our unique circumstances. It's just a matter of time. It's vital we remain confident whatever happens.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:15 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:07 pm
A club reset would send us into the ******* oblivion.

Anyone thinking otherwise is mushy brained.

Why would we need a reset? If we'd managed ourselves properly, we wouldn't be in this mess. The easiest thing is not to **** it all away in the first place.

Did someone say we paid £17m for Rodriguez? If that's true we deserve to go to the dogs.
Do perfectly run clubs exist?

We are probably as close to that as you could find. Granted, the takeover has thrown up many questions, but in terms of our longevity in the Prem it's pretty much unmatched elsewhere when you compare like-for-like.
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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by Johma » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:21 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:15 pm
Do perfectly run clubs exist?

We are probably as close to that as you could find. Granted, the takeover has thrown up many questions, but in terms of our longevity in the Prem it's pretty much unmatched elsewhere when you compare like-for-like.
He jus needs to back us. Spend a bit of money

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:22 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:07 pm
A club reset would send us into the ******* oblivion.

Anyone thinking otherwise is mushy brained.

Why would we need a reset?
Well currently the fans are not happy with anything to do with the club 😕

Fans are peed off with the old owner.

Fans are unsure as its early days with the current owners.

Fans are peed off with SD.

Fans are peed off with Woan.

Fans are not happy with the walk on ticket prices.

The attendances are slowly dropping.

90% of the team get slanted - except for maybe Taylor and Cornet everybody else goes home from a game wearing a crash helmet and then looks on the forum/s.

Think the pennies dropped that keeping a aging squad together when they have gone past their sell by date does not work.

Think the pennies dropped that previous poor and largely inactivity transfer windows in the premiership does not work.

Think the pennies dropped that letting platers like Hendricks and Tarks walk for nothing at the moment sorry is in the main poor business.

Anything else ?? Anyone want to continue like this ??

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:30 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:07 pm

Did someone say we paid £17m for Rodriguez? If that's true we deserve to go to the dogs.
That was when we didn't sign him.

It was either £5m or that x 2 spread over 2 seasons.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:33 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:08 pm
A reset is always going to be inevitable given our unique circumstances. It's just a matter of time. It's vital we remain confident whatever happens.
Nothing unique about it, we’ve been shafted top & bottom everything which is going to happen as been completely avoidable but through greed will happen.
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:24 pm

I'm talking about the reset and reorganisation we'll require to meet the needs of life and, hopefully, success in the championship if we were to get relegated.
We are unique in that we've survived for so long in a league that is financially out of control.

What are you talking about ?

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:26 pm

s6t9a2f3f wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:38 pm
If the inevitable happens and due to size of the club, catchment area etc etc it was going to happen at some time. It eventually happened to all the "smaller clubs" in North West (Bolton, Wigan, Rovers, Blackpool etc etc). The major disappointment will be if we drop with a whimper rather than fighting to the end.
A drop gives us time to re-set and its still a massive task as several players will leave either because they want to or we want them to. It still leaves a aging squad to replace to be able to try and bounce back but also the nucleus of a squad that can survive hopefully a premiership season the following year - no mean feat.
The fans can get their feet back on the ground, lower that expectation level and hopefully re-set to enjoy the football again and enjoy for sure more wins home and away.
Think a re-set gives everyone, the new owners, manager, staff, fans a time to breath, build back the confidence and the feel good factor throughout the town and club. Time to rebuild and time to reflect on the mistakes and to endeavour not to repeat them if we bounce back.
A look at what has happened to the 4 clubs quoted since they were relegated from the Premier League is pretty horrendous.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:28 pm

What on earth is a “reset”?

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Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:29 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:28 pm
What on earth is a “reset”?
Back where "we belong" no doubt

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:31 pm

True but according to a poster earlier in the day, these clubs are on a journey leading to the PL.

No, I don't understand it either.

I suppose, theoretically, all the EFL clubs are on a journey to the PL one way or another.................. :D

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Post by dougcollins » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:33 pm

Factory settings.

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Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:34 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:30 pm
That was when we didn't sign him.

It was either £5m or that x 2 spread over 2 seasons.
Plus wages on top, and he's another who's got little resale value due to his age.

It's not so much the transfer fees that are crippling us, it's the sky high wages we've been shelling out for frankly mediocre players at best in the past 2 or 3 seasons which is where a lot of our problems stem from.

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Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:36 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:28 pm
What on earth is a “reset”?
reset
/riːˈsɛt/
verb
set again or differently.
"I must reset the alarm"

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:34 pm
Plus wages on top, and he's another who's got little resale value due to his age.

It's not so much the transfer fees that are crippling us, it's the sky high wages we've been shelling out for frankly mediocre players at best in the past 2 or 3 seasons which is where a lot of our problems stem from.
We are paying the going rate that's all.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:41 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:36 pm
We are paying the going rate that's all.
Possibly but can you truly say we've been getting value for money out of our recent signings.

Thankfully we did have the sense to have relegation clauses in our contracts if the worst happened, so we shouldn't be as bad as say Sunderland who were forking out crazy wages well in L1 for a couple of seasons, and are only now just starting to recover from that turmoil.

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:42 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:41 pm
Possibly but can you truly say we've been getting value for money out of our recent signings.

Thankfully we did have the sense to have relegation clauses in our contracts if the worst happened, so we shouldn't be as bad as say Sunderland who were forking out crazy wages well in L1 for a couple of seasons, and are only now just starting to recover from that turmoil.
Which recent signings?

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:44 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:28 pm
What on earth is a “reset”?
I see it as getting rid of surplus players by keeping only those of the ten OOC players that can be of use to us - being ruthless if we have to - and making sure we hold on to the nucleus of the present side which would be the backbone of a pretty decent side.
Youngish reinforcements will help as will old hands - look at Derby, even they are winning games with that same kind of blend.
The situation, if it comes to it, will be calmer, the style of the games slower and more attractive for us and our aims will be realistic and achievable.
At the moment it seems survival and entertaining football are too much to expect from the current set up. We need to get off this stupid merry-go-round and start again, perhaps.
We've done well to last so long.

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Post by Aclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:50 pm

Yes agree with that, can SD be ruthless though ?
We know he likes to stand by certain players.

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Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:58 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:42 pm
Which recent signings?
Stephens for one, now OK he can't help being injured, but he's hardly made a positive contribution has he, and though he came relatively cheap, I'm guessing he won't be raking in a pittance, especially as he's one of few incomings signings to come from a fellow PL club.

Lennon for another he's hardly set the world alight on his return has he apart from one brief moment of quality at OT, and again I suspect he'll be on a tidy sum.

Drinkwater was a complete disaster on and off the pitch, and he pocketed a fortune out of BFC.

And don't get me started on Gibson, who was our joint record signing, and again would have no doubt been on big money.

And that's without even mentioning the contract extensions for a lot of deadwood who fortunately are out of contract in a few months and will hopefully move on, but again they'll walk out the door for nowt.

If we want to rebuild then SD and the coaches need to target young hungry players who can make an impact, and who might in a season or two make us a profit, enough of signing over the hill journeymen.

More incomings in the mould of Collins, Cornet and Roberts please, then we might have the basis of a decent looking side, whether in the Championship, or possibly even still the PL.

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Post by taio » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:06 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:58 pm
Stephens for one, now OK he can't help being injured, but he's hardly made a positive contribution has he, and though he came relatively cheap, I'm guessing he won't be raking in a pittance, especially as he's one of few incomings signings to come from a fellow PL club.

Lennon for another he's hardly set the world alight on his return has he apart from one brief moment of quality at OT, and again I suspect he'll be on a tidy sum.

Drinkwater was a complete disaster on and off the pitch, and he pocketed a fortune out of BFC.

And don't get me started on Gibson, who was our joint record signing, and again would have no doubt been on big money.

And that's without even mentioning the contract extensions for a lot of deadwood who fortunately are out of contract in a few months and will hopefully move on, but again they'll walk out the door for nowt.

If we want to rebuild then SD and the coaches need to target young hungry players who can make an impact, and who might in a season or two make us a profit, enough of signing over the hill journeymen.

More incomings in the mould of Collins, Cornet and Roberts please, then we might have the basis of a decent looking side, whether in the Championship, or possibly even still the PL.
In the PL we will always have squad players who are on good wages but don't play that much. As you say Stephens has also been injured. Without the benefit of hindsight Gibson seemed to many like an excellent signing - we were fortunate and he was unfortunate that Mee and Tarkowski were always available and on form. Drinkwater was over two years ago.

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Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:10 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:50 pm
Yes agree with that, can SD be ruthless though ?
We know he likes to stand by certain players.
He stands by all his players,
TBH he'd be daft not to.

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Post by Aclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:14 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:10 pm
He stands by all his players,
TBH he'd be daft not to.
Badly worded, not stand by his players, but rather too loyal to certain players.

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:21 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:36 pm
We are paying the going rate that's all.
Or below...

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:27 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:24 pm
I'm talking about the reset and reorganisation we'll require to meet the needs of life and, hopefully, success in the championship if we were to get relegated.
We are unique in that we've survived for so long in a league that is financially out of control.

What are you talking about ?
That’s just the way things are, we’ve allowed that situation to develop through mismanagement or some could say bloody good management if the deadwood leave off their own accord. We’ve survived because once upon a time things were different the team back then were younger more vibrant & energetic & even the manager nothings changed apart from a situation standing still & slowly regressing due to age catching up & a lack of adequate freshening up. The league hasn’t changed that much we just haven’t moved with the times or adapted fast enough to the slight changes.

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Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:33 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:14 pm
Badly worded, not stand by his players, but rather too loyal to certain players.
No, seriously.
He'd be daft not to stand by his players of choice.
Whatever we may think about SD it's hard to find any examples of him criticising his players.

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Post by Dy1geo » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:37 pm

I would like to see in the next few years a few players coming up from our youth system and if we are in the Championship they may get the chance. To have only McNeill come through during our time in the Prem is not good enough.

We have forked out on Hendrick, Brady and Rodriguez all cost over £10 million who have left or could be leaving for nothing and these players wages are not small. Whilst constantly being in the bottom 5 for wage bills our wages to turnover has been quite high leaving no spare funds to recruit and thus relying on contract extensions, then relying heavily on existing players to perform to their maximum which this season they are not. That formula can only work for so long and our recent windows and lack of recruitment are testament to it.

So to me the reset would involve reducing the wage bill and focussing on bringing talent through preferably through the ranks or from other clubs.
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:47 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:28 pm
What on earth is a “reset”?
Perhaps they need to shut off the power for 30 seconds then turn it back on 🤔

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Post by Stalbansclaret » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:15 pm

Im thinking the reset for us will see Pope, Cornet and maybe one of McNeil , Taylorand/or Wood sold for as much as possible, as well as Tarkowski and other out-of-contract players leaving (Vydra, Pieters, Bardsley, Jay Rod, Stephens, Lennon). Relegation will also see wages reduce on remaining contracts presumably ? We would then need to reinvest the funds in a squad of younger, pacier players to supplement the remaining players.A big rebuild but I'd find that exciting compared to the current torment.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by Mattster » Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:04 pm

If we're going to get relegated this may just be the best time for it (if such a thing exists) for a couple of reasons.

1) We've got a really old squad with a number of those higher earners running to the end of their contracts. If we got relegated and released most of those (I'd take up the option on Mee and possibly offer Jay a 2 year deal) and sold a couple of players (Cornet and McNeil probably go for ~£55m) we'd surely have quite a bit of wiggle room financially to refresh the first team squad with younger players that could develop with first team football alongside an experienced core. This would be easier to do in the Championship than the Premiership.

2) EFL is trying to do away with parachute payments as part of the fan led review/independent regulator thing. If we got relegated without those we would be well and truly up the creek without a paddle.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:19 pm

Reset my arse.
Posters on here must spend their days guzzling acid tabs.

Relegation, for what is now effectively a small, potless, debt-laden club, barring a miracle, spells oblivion... No ifs or buts.. Straight to League One is the most likely outcome of any relegation now.

Talk all the semantics you want..but Garlicks cashed in his chips and done one.. Either there's an about turn in our results in the next few games or we'll be watching players like Oghani and Neenan again within 3 years.

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Re: A club reset might not be a bad thing in the long run

Post by Down_Rover » Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:26 pm

What if a reset involved ALK acquiring a nameless neighbour and merging the two into East Lancashire United?

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Post by CaptainKirk » Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:55 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:26 pm
What if a reset involved ALK acquiring a nameless neighbour and merging the two into East Lancashire United?
That could be a good idea.
New stadium built outside Accrington
40,000 plus gates
Pool our resources
Nice new strip, as Claret is not very stylish is it
Lancashire Utd, anyone????

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