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Post by Shaggy » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:31 pm
I don't think you can blame Dyche for targeting old pros. It was all we could afford. A young, British, prem-quality player from the Championship will cost you £20 million plus.
Where as you can pick up international standard players who are in their mid 20s for less.. aka Maxwel Cornet.

That’s been the problem we all said it. Shopping in the wrong market for the wrong “type” of player
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Post by scouseclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:35 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:21 am
Just clicked on a story in the daily mail that says : Burnley hold talks with Lens midfielder Seko Fofana

of course if we were holding talks with the player that would mean that we've met the sellers asking price but once you read the story it says: Burnley have held talks with French side Lens for £14million-rated midfielder Seko Fofana.

That's not the same thing at all. One French paper suggested that we haven't even put in an official offer.

This does sound like a Maxwel Cornet sort of link. Probably the sort of player who'd have ambitions to do more than play in a relegation battle and there are some comments suggesting that the offer is laughable and should be two or three times that to even be considered.
It's also the Daily Mail, which means its probably ********.

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Post by minnieclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:05 am
Interesting to see Harry Wilson, a signing Dyche is known to have turned down from Garlick, absolutely ripping up the Championship this year with Fulham.
He ripped up the championship at Derby as well but did sweet fanny adams in the PL.
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:55 am
Have to have signed by 12 noon tomorrow (friday). I wouldn't expect us to though.
With there being a Friday night game the deadline is brought forward to 12pm Thursday dinner time.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:31 pm
I don't think you can blame Dyche for targeting old pros. It was all we could afford. A young, British, prem-quality player from the Championship will cost you £20 million plus.
Was it? Garlick offered Harry Wilson to him but Dyche refused the deal (according to in the knows on here). At the time it was thought to be a £10-15m deal. Now he’s ripping up the Championship.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:51 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 pm
He ripped up the championship at Derby as well but did sweet fanny adams in the PL.
Did he not score 8 goals for Bournemouth in the PL? really good return for a right midfielder in a relegated side, if that's fanny adams then what has JBG offered in the last 4 years from the same position.
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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:52 pm

he'd of had another goal had the goal he scored on the Turf not been pulled all the way back for that handball :D

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Post by burnleymik » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm

Kristian Pedersen

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sour ... -pederson/

Can't see us needing a left-back/ central defender right now though.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 pm
Was it? Garlick offered Harry Wilson to him but Dyche refused the deal (according to in the knows on here). At the time it was thought to be a £10-15m deal. Now he’s ripping up the Championship.
I'm often critical of Dyche but I wouldn't use 'someone ripping up the championship' to beat him with.

I would expect every one of our players to rip it up.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:05 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm
I'm often critical of Dyche but I wouldn't use 'someone ripping up the championship' to beat him with.

I would expect every one of our players to rip it up.
You expect every one of our players to rip it up in the champ?

Half of them were embarrassed by Huddersfield last week

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Post by jojomk1 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:09 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:05 pm
You expect every one of our players to rip it up in the champ?

Half of them were embarrassed by Huddersfield last week
And most of them were Huddersfield reserves !!
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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:13 pm

We talk about Dyche and his “old pros”……genuine question, how many of the over 30 years old players that he had signed have actually been any good to us?

When you compare it to his signings of Taylor, Tarks, Pope etc he’s much better with up and coming players than we and maybe even he realises!
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Post by quoonbeatz » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:16 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 pm
With there being a Friday night game the deadline is brought forward to 12pm Thursday dinner time.
It isn't. The rule is club-specific. Players have to be registered the last working day before the game and we play on Saturday.

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Post by ewanrob » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:17 pm

You would imagine that Pace and others will now make the major decisions on signings, it is so important we get back to signing young talent and making money on them...its in our DNA. Whether Sean signs upto that is completely his decision, but I'd imagine the issue with his contract could have been who gets the final say. His decisions have left us with ageing out of form players....absolutley fine up until now.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm
I'm often critical of Dyche but I wouldn't use 'someone ripping up the championship' to beat him with.

I would expect every one of our players to rip it up.
I think some on here are in for a huge reality check if/when we go down and don’t start recruiting better from now. We were dominated and lost to Huddersfield who just managed a 0-0 at Ewood.
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Post by alboclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm
I'm often critical of Dyche but I wouldn't use 'someone ripping up the championship' to beat him with.

I would expect every one of our players to rip it up.
That's very optimistic of you.... I don't hold the view that Cork Westwood Lennon jbg would rip up the championship

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Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:26 pm

Fofana bid from Burnley has been rejected

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Post by mybloodisclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:34 pm

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:26 pm
Fofana bid from Burnley has been rejected
They know we have got 25 mill and probably think he is much better than Wood.

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Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:36 pm

17 million euros offered. Apparently Lens don’t need the money and the player wouldn’t be interested in Burnley anyway.

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Post by Spijed » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:38 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:13 pm
We talk about Dyche and his “old pros”……genuine question, how many of the over 30 years old players that he had signed have actually been any good to us?

When you compare it to his signings of Taylor, Tarks, Pope etc he’s much better with up and coming players than we and maybe even he realises!
How many "Old Pros" have we actually signed?

Bardsley & Pieters are the only ones I can think of, apart from Defour and all three have been good signings for us.

The other players like Cork & Westwood have become "old" during their time with us, but when we first signed them they were both very good players, especially Cork who was fantastic in the season we finished 7th.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:43 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:38 pm
How many "Old Pros" have we actually signed?

Bardsley & Pieters are the only ones I can think of, apart from Defour and all three have been good signings for us.

The other players like Cork & Westwood have become "old" during their time with us, but when we first signed them they were both very good players, especially Cork who was fantastic in the season we finished 7th.
Lennon, Crouch, Walters, Stephens

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Post by Spijed » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:44 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:43 pm
Lennon, Crouch, Walters, Stephens
True, although Walters & Stephens were beset by injuries when both looked good signings.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:44 pm
True, although Walters & Stephens were beset by injuries when both looked good signings.
But that’s also a limitation of signing players of that age (generally),they are more prone to picking up niggly injuries and then face a longer recovery time. Look at Barnes now for example.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:38 pm
How many "Old Pros" have we actually signed?

Bardsley & Pieters are the only ones I can think of, apart from Defour and all three have been good signings for us.

The other players like Cork & Westwood have become "old" during their time with us, but when we first signed them they were both very good players, especially Cork who was fantastic in the season we finished 7th.
Crouch, Walters, Reid, Taylor just off the top of my head.

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:09 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:49 pm

This has been the case for the last two years and was the main reason we never signed any of the people scouted and recommended by Rigg and his team. Dyche has always wanted seasoned players who give him the best chance of staying up, staying in a job and keeping his reputation high. Signing potential might not impact the first team immediately and he could be sacked if the first team is weak and unable to get results. The difference last summer, new owners and the contract situation meant he had to give more than he did previously.
Not surprised to see that written in the Athletic. I've been saying for a long time, Dyche has a preferred type of player he wants to bring in and it has impacted our recruitment for some time, see the quote above from earlier in this very thread.

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Post by boyyanno » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:15 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:44 pm
True, although Walters & Stephens were beset by injuries when both looked good signings.
Stephens looked anything but a good signing. Walters we were maybe unlucky with. Also add Reid and Hart to the list of "old pro's"

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:18 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:44 pm
True, although Walters & Stephens were beset by injuries when both looked good signings.
Stephens looked a good signing :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:19 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:09 pm
Not surprised to see that written in the Athletic. I've been saying for a long time, Dyche has a preferred type of player he wants to bring in and it has impacted our recruitment for some time, see the quote above from earlier in this very thread.
Yep and look how that policy has now left us

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Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:19 pm
Yep and look how that policy has now left us
Alternatively, look at how long that policy has kept us in the Premier League.
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm

alboclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 pm
That's very optimistic of you.... I don't hold the view that Cork Westwood Lennon jbg would rip up the championship
You think that because you watch them in the Premier league against very fast players who they struggle to go past.
Playing cup games we play at 70% and always look awful.

I was a little surprised just how bad Huddersfield were though. I know it wasn't their full team but Accy Stanley would have beaten the pair of us the match was that bad.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:45 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
You think that because you watch them in the Premier league against very fast players who they struggle to go past.
Playing cup games we play at 70% and always look awful.

I was a little surprised just how bad Huddersfield were though. I know it wasn't their full team but Accy Stanley would have beaten the pair of us the match was that bad.
I think you could be in for quite a shock if we go down

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Post by Hipper » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:51 pm

Here's of all the players Dyche has signed up to the end of the 2020/2021 season.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sean-dych ... iner/15856

They're not all old, or young. It's a mix.

The most recent young first team player up to this point is Brownhill, which seemed and may still prove to be a good signing.

The Joe Hart signing was because of goalkeeping injuries. He was available and it made sense. We also signed Peacock Farrell a year later.

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Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 pm
Alternatively, look at how long that policy has kept us in the Premier League.

You are correct, but continuing with that policy has seen us sink slowly, deeper and deeper into the mire as though we were walking in quicksand.
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Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
You are correct, but continuing with that policy has seen us sink slowly, deeper and deeper into the mire as though we were walking in quicksand.
Relegation is inevitable sooner or later for a club like ours. That the "sink into the mire" is happening slowly (and hasn't actually happened at all yet) is another indication of how successful the policy has been.
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Post by rob63 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:09 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 pm
Kristian Pedersen

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sour ... -pederson/

Can't see us needing a left-back/ central defender right now though.
Isn't Pieters OOC this summer? Also interest in Glennon so Pedersen could be an upgrade for both? He also plays on the LH side of a back 3

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Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:13 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 pm
Relegation is inevitable sooner or later for a club like ours. That the "sink into the mire" is happening slowly (and hasn't actually happened at all yet) is another indication of how successful the policy has been.
NO team is safe in any league, virtually all will eventually be relegated look at the shock when United went down, City played third tier, Wolves and us Forth (I could go on). Coventry had one of the longest unbroken runs at the highest level….

It comes down to the way the club is run/ has been run. If the club is United and the forward plan sound with regards to recruitment and tactical awareness there is no reason Burnley cannot only survive but thrive in the Premier League. The question is has the lack of recruitment undermined our position to the point it is untenable… that we’ll have a better idea of at the end of the window. Make the right moves in the next couple of weeks and I think we’ll see a steady progression (as we did with Garlick for several years); think Mr Pace has shown that he wants to push the club as a whole into becoming fixture at the highest level and this season like last is one of survival, next season I expect a more comfortable seat.

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Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 pm
Relegation is inevitable sooner or later for a club like ours. That the "sink into the mire" is happening slowly (and hasn't actually happened at all yet) is another indication of how successful the policy has been.
True, but you can certainly hasten it along by leaving yourself in a position where you have no alternative but to play a 32 year old as a solitary striker with just 1 PL goal to his name from his last 44 matches.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:26 pm

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Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:06 am
Apologies, it's pretty tiresome on here being jumped on after every post, having to explain every fine detail to someone hoping to catch me in a trap. I have to be on the defensive
fair enough, never my intention though just so you know :)
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Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:15 pm
True, but you can certainly hasten it along by leaving yourself in a position where you have no alternative but to play a 32 year old as a solitary striker with just 1 PL goal to his name from his last 44 matches.
It’s shocking bordering on negligence.
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Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:31 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm
It’s shocking bordering on negligence.
Ever thought the postponement of the press conference may be because Burnley are hoping to have something to tell us tomorrow?

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Post by claretandy » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:35 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:31 pm
Ever thought the postponement of the press conference may be because Burnley are hoping to have something to tell us tomorrow?
Nope, it's because SD is still in isolation.

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Post by Spijed » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:41 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:13 pm
there is no reason Burnley cannot only survive but thrive in the Premier League.
So why is there no other club like-for-like that has been able to thrive in the Premier League?

It's pretty much impossible without serious financial backing.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:52 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:41 pm
So why is there no other club like-for-like that has been able to thrive in the Premier League?

It's pretty much impossible without serious financial backing.
Disagree. I believe it’s possible with a very good manager & very good recruitment set up. Where we have clearly gone wrong is with the latter.

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Post by Spijed » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:58 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:52 pm
Disagree. I believe it’s possible with a very good manager & very good recruitment set up. Where we have clearly gone wrong is with the latter.
So why has it never happened then?

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Post by Stalbansclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:03 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:52 pm
Disagree. I believe it’s possible with a very good manager & very good recruitment set up. Where we have clearly gone wrong is with the latter.
I'd agree with Spijed and am therefore not sure you are right..at least not unless you can back it up with an example and I am struggling to think of one. If you look at the PL now for instance it's generally made up of large city clubs, clubs which either have had, or currently have, financial backing from wealthy owners , clubs seriously threatened with relegation and Brentford (who are in their first season).
I agree with you that our recruitment has been terrible. It's all the more frustrating because every one of us, and every passing blind rider of a galloping horse, has been able to see for 3 years now that we need to keep recruiting to freshen up the squad. Now we are paying the price for that mismanagement.
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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by warksclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:07 pm

We may well have been looking for a new CM overseas however the very sudden exit of Wood makes me think we will go for a striker closer to home and quickly. My gut feeling is someone like Keiffer Moore. Not my choice but definitely an SD type player

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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:14 pm

given the ever increasing finances of the bigger teams in the PL the model that would seem logical for us to follow is the one Brentford use. Scout well, buy cheap and sell for a profit. Dyche needs to get on board and get with the times
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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:37 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:14 pm
given the ever increasing finances of the bigger teams in the PL the model that would seem logical for us to follow is the one Brentford use. Scout well, buy cheap and sell for a profit. Dyche needs to get on board and get with the times
Exactly this. Add in a good academy to produce the occasional star to sell on/make the first team.

Why’s it not been done yet? Not sure, clubs not having the right vision, no consistency, lacking in one department, end up becoming greedy or having a bad window or two. Not saying it’s easy but I think it’s more than achievable to compete every year for that 8th-15th spot area by following this model.

For example ourselves, if we’d have recruited better over the past 3 seasons we’d be completely comfortable. That’s where the blame game comes in which I think is shared between both Dyche and Garlick.
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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by blake's wand » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:43 pm

It's a really tough sell for any incoming player. You'd assume if they were any good, other teams would be able to offer more money, better style of football, better location (London based makes a big difference) and more chance of staying up.

Biggest thing going for us is we can guarantee a starting position and put any potential player in the shop window. Would imagine that was the sell to Cornet.

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