Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[boatshed bill]

Isn't speculation fun?

[Penwortham_Claret]

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes. There’s an ex long term staff member on FB saying good riddance and suggesting that Dyche was disliked by the general staff for how rude he was with them

[Penwortham_Claret]

Woan’s daughters tweet…

https://twitter.com/madisonwoan/status/ ... yam1TGIfEg

[dermotdermot]

Murkier and murkier. All a bit of a shock to me, this.

[Royboyclaret]

CP is not saying that will happen,only saying that in a certain scenario it could happen.

See CP's post 185 on this thread timed at 12.31pm.

Chester interprets the situation in exactly the way I do, rightly or wrongly, that under the current curcumstances ownership will necessarily revert to the original ownership of Mike G and John B. Of course matters may change in the the ensuing four months but as things stand that is a highly unlikely scenario.

[CoolClaret]

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes. There’s an ex long term staff member on FB saying good riddance and suggesting that Dyche was disliked by the general staff for how rude he was with them

Provide links/evidence to claims!

[Mala591]

Pace has obviously got a new manager lined up. Definitely European and probably French or German. Expect announcement on Wednesday.

[Penwortham_Claret]

Provide links/evidence to claims!

I shall not do that. The post was as follows tho…

‘Horrible man. Horrible to staff. All front as a nice guy. See ya’

[deanothedino]

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes. There’s an ex long term staff member on FB saying good riddance and suggesting that Dyche was disliked by the general staff for how rude he was with them

Daz Bentley tweeted in support of him

[Hozz]

Sorry to say but I’ve been disappointed to the point of losing interest in anything football related for a number of reasons (seasons) but especially Burnley unfortunately - mainly being taken over by new owners a while back just made me realise that I had better things to do than support a business (probably bankrolled with loans) that might make its new owners a profit if we remained in the premier league (which was fun for a few matches but the fatigue of constant losses takes its toll).

I’ve seen us rise from the Orient game, I’m really not arsed what happens to us now, sorry!

[Jakubclaret]

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes. There’s an ex long term staff member on FB saying good riddance and suggesting that Dyche was disliked by the general staff for how rude he was with them

That's very true dyche had a certain hardcore following who were blinded & could see no wrong in what he was doing & that allowed the club's demise to continue for as long as it did, them people are as much responsible for our relegation as SD. Towards the end thankfully enough people turned.

[Cubanforever]

Sorry to say but I’ve been disappointed to the point of losing interest in anything football related for a number of reasons (seasons) but especially Burnley unfortunately - mainly being taken over by new owners a while back just made me realise that I had better things to do than support a business (probably bankrolled with loans) that might make its new owners a profit if we remained in the premier league (which was fun for a few matches but the fatigue of constant losses takes its toll).

I’ve seen us rise from the Orient game, I’m really not arsed what happens to us now, sorry!

I've felt and feel exactly the same but can't help taking an interest...its really annoying at times

[Billy Balfour]

I shall not do that. The post was as follows tho…

Why not, if it's in the public domain? Link or it didn't happen.

[agreenwood]

I’d imagine that you’ll find just as many people to sing his praises if that’s the road you want to go down. Keith Treacy spoke very highly of him a few weeks back.

[Cleveleys_claret]

All these media types, ex footballers calling out our club is so hypocritical, they have spent the last 6 years throwing us scraps and ruing our existence in the top flight. Comparing us to Stoke and any of Big Sams old sides, they have all played their part in this narrative, yet now they are all shocked, lets stick one more knife in that horrible lil club that are taking up a space in the league of someone who should be there, more fashionable.

[Cubanforever]

All these media types, ex footballers calling out our club is so hypocritical, they have spent the last 6 years throwing us scraps and ruing our existence in the top flight. Comparing us to Stoke and any of Big Sams old sides, they have all played their part in this narrative, yet now they are all shocked, lets stick one more knife in that horrible lil club that are taking up a space in the league of someone who should be there, more fashionable.

Spot on

[warksclaret]

Whats clear from this thread is how many readers were still prepared to back SD. If I am honest I worshipped the guy for 90% of the time but became disillusioned once we had gone a third of the season with just one win. THe quotes of "we have been there before and got out of trouble" was starting to wear thin with me. I do however respect the guy in giving us the best side and team since the early sixties, at a time when the PL is head and shoulders above anything else in the world.Not many towns of a 90,000 population are privilidged to have this

Whatever you thought of SD there is no way he deserved the manner in which he has left (unless there is something terrible he has done). For me two things that have upset me-the manner he was axed and the lack of any sincere tribute to him, and secondly I have heard that neither Garlick or John B , as key shareholders, did not know. That says we have owners with no dignity, or humanity, or understanding of what football and BFC means for their fan base. I am a believer such acts have a habit of biting you up the bum in the future

[Hozz]

I’ll take a peek every now and again Cubanclaret, certainly nothing like I used to but today’s news was everything I felt about being in the premier league and being owned by, let’s say, investors in Burnley FC rather than people being invested in Burnley.

[boatshed bill]

I’d imagine that you’ll find just as many people to sing his praises if that’s the road you want to go down. Keith Treacy spoke very highly of him a few weeks back.

I have always thought that SD did a really good job in respect of player welfare.
However, an endorsement from Keith Treacy????

[Stayingup]

I’d imagine that you’ll find just as many people to sing his praises if that’s the road you want to go down. Keith Treacy spoke very highly of him a few weeks back.

Most players, ex players, managers and the media think.highly of him. I do. Never too high, never too low. Didn't get the financial support he deserved but coukd do in his next job. And this comment about him being rude is lauhgable. You dont sack Sean Dyche because hes rude to some staff member, even if its true. Its b0llocks.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Whats clear from this thread is how many readers were still prepared to back SD. If I am honest I worshipped the guy for 90% of the time but became disillusioned once we had gone a third of the season with just one win. THe quotes of "we have been there before and got out of trouble" was starting to wear thin with me. I do however respect the guy in giving us the best side and team since the early sixties, at a time when the PL is head and shoulders above anything else in the world.Not many towns of a 90,000 population are privilidged to have this

Whatever you thought of SD there is no way he deserved the manner in which he has left (unless there is something terrible he has done). For me two things that have upset me-the manner he was axed and the lack of any sincere tribute to him, and secondly I have heard that neither Garlick or John B , as key shareholders, did not know. That says we have owners with no dignity, or humanity, or understanding of what football and BFC means for their fan base. I am a believer such acts have a habit of biting you up the bum in the future

Garlick mainly I would guess more than JB who probably just went along with it having no real say would have not been bothered one bit if we had gone down and he had had all his money paid to him, he didnt care. If he did he would have invested when we needed it, not plotting his exit and contacting dodgy Egyptians and allowing such a complicated takeover to happen from Americans with no real money, or not the type needed to run a top flight team

In what business does a new owner phone up an old owner 18 months after a takeover and ask "hey Mike...gonna sack Sean and his staff, just running it past you first, didnt want to upset you, I know how little you got on with him"

[burnleymik]

This wouldn’t surprise me. I remember when we let go some youth players, may have been Howieson and Hewitt amongst others. They were straight onto Twitter calling out Ian Woan for pretty much being the reason why a lot of players were not happy at the time. Sure the tweets got deleted pretty sharp ish but they were online for an hour or so

Wasn't it Woan who had the blow-up with Gibson too?

[Conroy92]

I posted a few weeks back about something i found out from more or less the horses mouth. I also heard that the dressing room wasn't as harmonious as it used to be. The player in question is one of the OOC and it was said he had no intention of re-signing and cited a member of staff for causing disruption (not Dyche) and that many of the players were unhappy with the methods. Now you can draw your own conclusions about it and who that is. It was passed onto me when it probably shouldn't to be fair.
I'm not going to divulge my source or name names..as if i would and I'll wait for the inevitable abuse and discrediting..as i got last time. What would it matter if i did? Doesn't make it any less real what I heard though.

If true, my guess would be Steve Stone.

[Chester Perry]

Garlick mainly I would guess more than JB who probably just went along with it having no real say would have not been bothered one bit if we had gone down and he had had all his money paid to him, he didnt care. If he did he would have invested when we needed it, not plotting his exit and contacting dodgy Egyptians and allowing such a complicated takeover to happen from Americans with no real money, or not the type needed to run a top flight team

In what business does a new owner phone up an old owner 18 months after a takeover and ask "hey Mike...gonna sack Sean and his staff, just running it past you first, didnt want to upset you, I know how little you got on with him"

Excepting that MG and JB are current board members who who Pace said it would be madness not to lean on as sounding boards given their experience, knowledge understanding and contacts

[Burnleyareback2]

That's very true dyche had a certain hardcore following who were blinded & could see no wrong in what he was doing & that allowed the club's demise to continue for as long as it did, them people are as much responsible for our relegation as SD. Towards the end thankfully enough people turned.

“Clubs demise” get a grip man

[martin_p]

I’m not sure why people are looking for some Machiavellian reason why Dyche has been sacked. Look at the league table, look at a board that needs the Premier League money to service the debt it has loaded on the club and put two and two together. It’s a last throw of the dice, but one that should have happened weeks ago if it was to have a chance of working. It’s not a decision I’d have taken myself and not one I’m happy with. I don’t think it’ll make a blind bit of difference to our season now, in fact if anything it’s condemned us a couple of weeks earlier. I think it’s a shabby way to treat a manager who has given us so much enjoyment over the last nine and a half years, especially when I expected he would have walked if we’d gone down anyway.

[NickBFC]

I was one questioning Dyche, more often than not recently. I still do find it sad its ended in the way it has, but as Sean said himself, nothing lasts forever. I think at this stage I would have preferred the club to wait until the summer but it does give the new manager a bit of time to assess what is clearly a required major rebuild.

Thanks for the memories Sean, and there have been many. 23, 23 undefeated being one. UTC.

[paulatky]

Excepting that MG and JB are current board members who who Pace said it would be madness not to lean on as sounding boards given their experience, knowledge understanding and contacts

Yet it appears MG & JB didn’t know about this until it happened

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I’m not sure why people are looking for some Machiavellian reason why Dyche has been sacked. Look at the league table, look at a board that needs the Premier League money to service the debt it has loaded on the club and put two and two together. It’s a last throw of the dice, but one that should have happened weeks ago if it was to have a chance of working. It’s not a decision I’d have taken myself and not one I’m happy with. I don’t think it’ll make a blind bit of difference to our season now, in fact if anything it’s condemned us a couple of weeks earlier. I think it’s a shabby way to treat a manager who has given us so much enjoyment over the last nine and a half years, especially when I expected he would have walked if we’d gone down anyway.

If it was down to results and league position he’d have been sacked months ago. Something he’d obviously happened this week behind the scenes.

[martin_p]

If it was down to results and league position he’d have been sacked months ago. Something he’d obviously happened this week behind the scenes.

Nope, we lost to Norwich, that’s what happened.

[boatshed bill]

Nope, we lost to Norwich, that’s what happened.

perhaps the poor performance tipped the balance?

[Jakubclaret]

If it was down to results and league position he’d have been sacked months ago. Something he’d obviously happened this week behind the scenes.

Could be some truth in that something significant happened we aren't aware about & may never be aware about, certain things don't add up with the surprise announcement I think we'll know more in the passage of time.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Nope, we lost to Norwich, that’s what happened.

Then he’d have been sacked at the start of the week. No way they’ve sacked him after defeat last Sunday.

[Boss Hogg]

Sorry to say but I’ve been disappointed to the point of losing interest in anything football related for a number of reasons (seasons) but especially Burnley unfortunately - mainly being taken over by new owners a while back just made me realise that I had better things to do than support a business (probably bankrolled with loans) that might make its new owners a profit if we remained in the premier league (which was fun for a few matches but the fatigue of constant losses takes its toll).

I’ve seen us rise from the Orient game, I’m really not arsed what happens to us now, sorry!

Plenty of other clubs for you to support if you are ‘not arsed’ about what happens to BFC. Dyche may even have a new club soon so you can support him there

[Royboyclaret]

Yet it appears MG & JB didn’t know about this until it happened

Forget all that, Paul.

[NewClaret]

Could be some truth in that something significant happened we aren't aware about & may never be aware about, certain things don't add up with the surprise announcement I think we'll know more in the passage of time.

Personally exceptionally sad but agree with this, that there may be more to this than we can or will ever know about. Results will be a factor, and let’s face it they’ve not been good, but I’m sure other factors will have been considered.

[NewClaret]

Yet it appears MG & JB didn’t know about this until it happened

How do you know this?

[kentonclaret]

If it was down to results and league position he’d have been sacked months ago. Something he’d obviously happened this week behind the scenes.

If it came down to results and league position I would agree, but many seem to hand Sean a "get out of jail free card" citing under investment by the owners as a major factor in poor results and performances. This comment also applies to sections of the media. Many feel that Sean would have been able to turn the situation around in the few games remaining but I do not subscribe to that view.

Even if Alan Pace had left the sacking until the Summer the reaction from many fans and the media would have been the same, with many claiming that he had done enough to deserve the chance to bring us back up, "He's done it before" would have been the claim. However dire the results and the performances it would never have been the fault of the manager. Even though we are the lowest scorers in the PL, bar bottom club Norwich, and have won just once in 15 road trips and failing to win most of our games considered as "must wins" extenuating circumstances were always found to absolve the manager from blame. "Even Pep and Klopp would struggle to win a game managing Burnley" claimed some.

Having spent almost 10 years at the club the sacking was never going to go down well when he had built up almost a cult following amongst many supporters. Sean gave many years of loyal service and achieved almost the impossible in keeping us up in the PL for so long but nothing lasts forever, especially in the world of football management.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

If it came down to results and league position I would agree, but many seem to hand Sean a "get out of jail free card" citing under investment by the owners as a major factor in poor results and performances. This comment also applies to sections of the media. Many feel that Sean would have been able to turn the situation around in the few games remaining but I do not subscribe to that view.

Even if Alan Pace had left the sacking until the Summer the reaction from many fans and the media would have been the same, with many claiming that he had done enough to deserve the chance to bring us back up, "He's done it before" would have been the claim. However dire the results and the performances it would never have been the fault of the manager. Even though we are the lowest scorers in the PL, bar bottom club Norwich, and have won just once in 15 road trips and failing to win most of our games considered as "must wins" extenuating circumstances were always found to absolve the manager from blame. "Even Pep and Klopp would struggle to win a game managing Burnley" claimed some.

Having spent almost 10 years at the club the sacking was never going to go down well when he had built up almost a cult following amongst many supporters. Sean gave many years of loyal service and achieved almost the impossible in keeping us up in the PL for so long but nothing lasts forever, especially in the world of football management.

It’s sounding like he was on the way out in the summer anyway. It’ll be interesting to hear the first interviews from players tomorrow or Sunday.

[leelad]

Having had time to think this one through over the day, I still think the sacking was a knee jerk decision by Pace - the timing of the decision in being so close to Sunday's game would suggest that something may have happened behind the scenes or words have been said. We may never know the reasons why. I would have let Sean see what he could have done over the remaining 8 games and then take it from there. He deserved to leave on his terms and I would have hoped that he would have known when that time would have been. It's a complete 360 degree turn from Pace who said on first arriving at the club that he wanted Sean to stay and be around for some time, but loyalty is not what it used to be in the modern game (nor is trust sometimes) between owner and manager. I wish Sean every success for the future, I think this season has been a season too far for this squad, but for someone who has put so much into the club (on and off the field) and got the town energised and at times in the Prem believing they could beat any team (especially in that European season). That was the high water point of Sean's reign, but like all eras it has to end sometime.

[Steddyman]

perhaps the poor performance tipped the balance?

We've won 4 games all season. No other reason is needed.

[Elizabeth]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Dyche's sacking , this is a sad day for BFC and it's fans

[BabylonClaret]

Not only that but if the reasons cited in the article have come from within, it begs the question, why did Pace and co. offer Dyche a 4 year contract.

Because its probably exaggerated bullshit to cover their arse if it goes tits up

[colne-claret]

Excepting that MG and JB are current board members who who Pace said it would be madness not to lean on as sounding boards given their experience, knowledge understanding and contacts

JB himself told us at Brentford that him and MG are still heavily involved with the club.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Excepting that MG and JB are current board members who who Pace said it would be madness not to lean on as sounding boards given their experience, knowledge understanding and contacts

Could they as board members be sacked?

[Royboyclaret]

Could they as board members be sacked?

Fortunately it doesn't work that way, Cleveleys.

Why would you want them sacked anyway?..These are two people as close to being diehard Clarets as you or I.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Fortunately it doesn't work that way, Cleveleys.

Why would you want them sacked anyway?..These are two people as close to being diehard Clarets as you or I.

I dont want them sacked, just curious as to who the other person sacked late this afternoon was. Claret Tony said he knew who it was but wasnt naming them, so was just spitballing that was all. Trying to cross off another couple who it isnt, now he said it wasnt a player (many suspecting Stephens at first)

[Wile E Coyote]

We have some of THE worst supporters in any division, the smugness levels of the Dyche out brigade is truly sickening.
It should be printed on their season tickets so we all know who to avoid.

[Swizzlestick]

Just a few things I’m throwing out there, personal opinions only - I wasn’t a fan of the current coaching setup. Woan and, in particular, Stone never gave off the same professional air that Dyche did. There were issues with Stone previously (was he suspended?) and he gave off an aggressive vibe.

Also, I thought the Barnes and Stephens drink drive incidents were handled quite badly by Dyche. It made a mockery of the ultra high levels of professionalism portrayed by him and the coaching staff. Thought they were downplayed too much.

Tactically, we have undoubtedly regressed - I do wonder if some players voiced doubts to the board. Note I don’t agree with the decision, certainly not the timing, but just some thoughts.

[Vegas Claret]

interesting that Simon Jordan said he knows Dyche would have walked to Palace but they never came in for him