Kjetil Knutsen no-go

[Roosterbooster]

According to post-Brexit rules, Knutsen wouldn't be able to become our manager as he doesn't fit the criteria:

●Must have ultimate responsibility and decision-making authority for the first team and first team selection of the applicant club
●Must hold a UEFA professional licence/diploma or equivalent
●Applicant club does not already have an existing manager
●Must have managed a club in Europe’s top professional leagues or an international team with a FIFA ranking of 50 or above for either a cumulative total of at least 36 months or a consecutive total of at least 24 months

He certainly wouldn't fit the final criteria. According to this article (https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/02/b ... plans/amp/), within current rules, Solskjaer, Farke and Bielsa would also have fallen short. Although I'm not entirely sure how Jesse Marsche was eligible, unless these rules only apply to EU citizens and there are other rules for Americans (although my source suggests this just places the new EU rules in line with everyone else)

[RVclaret]

There will probably be some loophole somewhere

[Swizzlestick]

What does “Europe’s top professional leagues” mean though? Any league? Marsch managed in Austria and Germany and Norway would probably qualify as their clubs are professional

[Roosterbooster]

Germany will be. But I'm not sure he did a full 24 months

[Roosterbooster]

According to Thisisanfield, Norway doesn't count

[Swizzlestick]

The fact Marsch has been hired suggests there’s enough vague wording to work around it - all a bit farcical but that’s Brexit I guess. But let’s not go there.

[Jambounchained]

If we want him, we’ll get him.

[Funkydrummer]

When did he/she pop into the frame ?

To avoid investigating, who is it please ?

[Guller Bull]

When did he/she pop into the frame ?

To avoid investigating, who is it please ?

Manager of Frodo Glamp in Iceland

[Roosterbooster]

When did he/she pop into the frame ?

To avoid investigating, who is it please ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting- ... l-knutsen/

Won Norwegian league last 2 years, and according do an analytics company, currently the highest ranked manager in the world in terms of what they can add to a squad

Been mooted quite a bit on the site

[claptrappers_union]

That’s what you voted for

[Guller Bull]

That’s what you voted for

[burnley007]

That’s what you voted for

Burnley folk love Brexit, no idea why.

[claptrappers_union]

To be fair, the pro licence thing is the main stumbling block. Don’t you need to attain that to manage in the Premier League and Football League anyway?

[pureclaret]

how big is his Penis ?
they tend to make wax models of them and put them in the museum

[chekhov]

According to Thisisanfield, Norway doesn't count

This is a field surely?

[Lancasterclaret]

Sure this won't affect us getting him

Anyway, we can just say we didn't understand the rules and apologise if we get caught

[aggi]

Top leagues are defined as:

The six European leagues which provide the most players to the top 20 squads in the FIFA World Rankings and the two Central and South American leagues which provide the most players to the top 20 squads in the FIFA World Rankings.

which I assume wouldn't be Norway.

Given he meets all the other criteria and is arguably the top manager in that league there are probably grounds for an appeal though. It isn't a clear cut if you don't make the criteria it's impossible thing.

Makes it unlikely it would be a quick appointment though.

[JohnMac]

Sol Campbell it is then....

[ClaretMov]

Stupid rule for manager's if player's can work here

[Mattster]

Really doubt it would be an issue. Hull appointed Shota Arveladze in January, he'd been out of work for over a year since leaving Pakhtakor Tashkent of Uzbekistan's top flight. Barnsley appointed Poya Asbaghi in November who had been Sweden U21 manager for all of 10 months, prior to that he'd been managing IFK Goteborg of Sweden's top flight for 2 and a half years.

[Steve1956]

Sure this won't affect us getting him

Anyway, we can just say we didn't understand the rules and apologise if we get caught

Brilliant...had to log in to like that one.

[aggi]

Stupid rule for manager's if player's can work here

Same rules for players now. Leicester signing someone like Kante wouldn't be possible post-Brexit.

[spt_claret]

He'd possibly fail the first measure as well if the rumours about ALK's involvement in transfers and hiring a DoF are true.

To be fair, the pro licence thing is the main stumbling block. Don’t you need to attain that to manage in the Premier League and Football League anyway?

You do. It's a bureaucratic mess and reasonably expensive, it makes it much harder to get into football management or coaching unless you're an existing player and have a club willing to cover the costs. 4 levels of coaching badges needed with work experience requirements that are pretty awkward to obtain unless you already have a position within the game, and cumulative fees running to around £5,000. Less than an MBA but you're less likely now to see another Arrigo Sacchi or Lawrie McMenemy or even another José.

It's something that the whole UCFB is really missing a trick on from what I've seen, they run coaching and sports management degrees and occasionally host UEFA guest courses but as far as I can tell their coaching degree doesn't actually provide a pro licence, or at least not UEFA B (the one needed).

[Rowls]

That’s what you voted for

Not me.

I voted for Chris Wilder.

[Roosterbooster]

To be fair, the pro licence thing is the main stumbling block. Don’t you need to attain that to manage in the Premier League and Football League anyway?

He has one
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kjetil- ... iner/22987

[claptrappers_union]

He has one
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kjetil- ... iner/22987

Ah, I presumed from the post he didn’t have one yet. Still, Brexit means Brexit

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Utd managed to get their current incumbent in the door.
They're going to get Ten Hag in aswell.

I'm sure we can find a way to get this bloke if he's the one we've chosen

[Roosterbooster]

Same rules for players now. Leicester signing someone like Kante wouldn't be possible post-Brexit.

Signing players is easier. You automatically qualify if you've played a certain proportion of games for an international side ranked high enough. Or if you play for a club in certain leagues, who have finished in certain qualifying spots, even if you haven't played any games.

Kante was playing for Caen in Ligue 1 when Leicester signed him. Ligue 1 is Band 1 according to the system, and signing players from this Band is very easy as they score highly. If they had been in Ligue 2 he would have dropped down to Band 4, and that would be much more difficult

[Roosterbooster]

Utd managed to get their current incumbent in the door.
They're going to get Ten Hag in aswell.

I'm sure we can find a way to get this bloke if he's the one we've chosen

Both those fit the criteria I believe

[Roosterbooster]

Really doubt it would be an issue. Hull appointed Shota Arveladze in January, he'd been out of work for over a year since leaving Pakhtakor Tashkent of Uzbekistan's top flight. Barnsley appointed Poya Asbaghi in November who had been Sweden U21 manager for all of 10 months, prior to that he'd been managing IFK Goteborg of Sweden's top flight for 2 and a half years.

Yeah, these 2 appointments make me think it must be possible, but I don't know how you bend the rules

[aggi]

Signing players is easier. You automatically qualify if you've played a certain proportion of games for an international side ranked high enough. Or if you play for a club in certain leagues, who have finished in certain qualifying spots, even if you haven't played any games.

Kante was playing for Caen in Ligue 1 when Leicester signed him. Ligue 1 is Band 1 according to the system, and signing players from this Band is very easy as they score highly. If they had been in Ligue 2 he would have dropped down to Band 4, and that would be much more difficult

Just playing for a Ligue 1 club isn't enough, you still need some international matches, to play in Europe or qualify for Europe. Caen were just avoiding relegation when Kante was there.

[Grimsdale]

The article the OP posted is over a year old. Apparently the FA made a few changes to the rules in the summer of 2021 so that the Norwegian league is now classed as one of the top professional leagues (i.e. in bands 1-5):
https://blog.transferroom.com/battle-of ... exit-rules

[Mattster]

Just playing for a Ligue 1 club isn't enough, you still need some international matches, to play in Europe or qualify for Europe. Caen were just avoiding relegation when Kante was there.

Kante would have easily qualified. You need 15 "points" to get a GBE. He'd have had 12 for playing in Ligue 1, another 12 for playing over 90% of the possible minutes that season and a further 1 point for his side finishing midtable.

[ClaretMov]

The article the OP posted is over a year old. Apparently the FA made a few changes to the rules in the summer of 2021 so that the Norwegian league is now classed as one of the top professional leagues (i.e. in bands 1-5):
https://blog.transferroom.com/battle-of ... exit-rules

Silly Roosterbooster

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Both those fit the criteria I believe

They had to appeal for Rangnick, it wasn't an automatic yes because he hadn't been a manager for a good few years.

[beddie]

I’m still hoping we can get Knutsen. We need a completely fresh approach and thinking, someone like him hopefully would bring that. If we go for Wilder we’ll stagnate.

[ClaretTony]

I’m still hoping we can get Knutsen. We need a completely fresh approach and thinking, someone like him hopefully would bring that. If we go for Wilder we’ll stagnate.

And if we went for Knutsen we’d probably have to bring in almost a complete new squad to fit in with how he plays.

[Zlatan]

And if we went for Knutsen we’d probably have to bring in almost a complete new squad to fit in with how he plays.

It’s not like we don’t need to rebuild over the summer anyway what ever league we’re in. It is a short summer break this year though isn’t it… may be interesting whoever gets the job

[JohnMcGreal]

And if we went for Knutsen we’d probably have to bring in almost a complete new squad to fit in with how he plays.

Although with so many players out of contract and others likely to be sold, now would be the time to do that. If that's the road we decide to go down.

[ClaretTony]

It’s not like we don’t need to rebuild over the summer anyway what ever league we’re in. It is a short summer break this year though isn’t it… may be interesting whoever gets the job

Clubs make big mistakes trying to make a huge change in management style. I hope we don’t.

[RVclaret]

And if we went for Knutsen we’d probably have to bring in almost a complete new squad to fit in with how he plays.

Bodo’s playing style was like Burnley before he joined. Transformed them into mini Pep City in less than 2 seasons.

[Mattster]

Clubs make big mistakes trying to make a huge change in management style. I hope we don’t.

Best opportunity we'll have if we get relegated, didn't hold Palace back any this season either, or Forest.

But if you look at Bodo/Glimt, quite a few of their regular starters are players that were there when Knutsen took over and/or came through their academy so clearly he can get players to adapt to his system.

[Bosscat]

Manager of Frodo Glamp in Iceland

Sounds like a campsite they had in "Lord of the Rings"

[nyclaret]

Clubs make big mistakes trying to make a huge change in management style. I hope we don’t.

Who do you want us to go for Tony?

[ClaretTony]

Who do you want us to go for Tony?

I really don’t have a clue but I’m intrigued by Rooney who has rightly earned so many plaudits this season, particularly in the way he has conducted himself.

[Roosterbooster]

The article the OP posted is over a year old. Apparently the FA made a few changes to the rules in the summer of 2021 so that the Norwegian league is now classed as one of the top professional leagues (i.e. in bands 1-5):
https://blog.transferroom.com/battle-of ... exit-rules

Does it qualify as a top professional league just because it's in Band 5 or above? Or does it need to be higher? I can't find that anywhere

[Grimsdale]

Does it qualify as a top professional league just because it's in Band 5 or above? Or does it need to be higher? I can't find that anywhere

This article from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -new-rules states:

"The qualifying criteria for managers are simpler than those for players: 24 months consecutively or 36 months over the past five years working in any competition from band 1 to band 5."

[aggi]

Kante would have easily qualified. You need 15 "points" to get a GBE. He'd have had 12 for playing in Ligue 1, another 12 for playing over 90% of the possible minutes that season and a further 1 point for his side finishing midtable.

Ah yes, you're right. The site I remember looking at when this came up before didn't include the points for just being in the squad.

[aggi]

Top leagues are defined as:

The six European leagues which provide the most players to the top 20 squads in the FIFA World Rankings and the two Central and South American leagues which provide the most players to the top 20 squads in the FIFA World Rankings.

which I assume wouldn't be Norway.

Given he meets all the other criteria and is arguably the top manager in that league there are probably grounds for an appeal though. It isn't a clear cut if you don't make the criteria it's impossible thing.

Makes it unlikely it would be a quick appointment though.

Just having looked at the rules it looks like this is out of date and it is now the Band 1 to 5 requirement. Conveniently the Norwegian League moved into Band 5 this year.

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2022.ashx