and if the new manager is Kompany I'd expect us to try and be about possession and pace - I'm not sure he fits that at allgandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:35 pmAll depends on the new manager playing to his strengths, but i would be happy to donate a tenner to a charity or the youth foundation to make it interesting.
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I wouldn’t be too upset if Wout left.
Should Kompany come in I can genuinely see us getting Liam Delap on loan from City. The lad needs first team experience and won’t be getting it there with Haaland and Alvarez arriving.
If we get a similar fee to what we paid for Wout then that would erase the debt (money we owe to Wolfsburg) we likely have from signing him - as well as getting his wages off the books, which Id imagine will be one of the larger ones.
Working with 4 strikers in Rodriguez, Delap, Vydra and Richardson would be enough.
Should Kompany come in I can genuinely see us getting Liam Delap on loan from City. The lad needs first team experience and won’t be getting it there with Haaland and Alvarez arriving.
If we get a similar fee to what we paid for Wout then that would erase the debt (money we owe to Wolfsburg) we likely have from signing him - as well as getting his wages off the books, which Id imagine will be one of the larger ones.
Working with 4 strikers in Rodriguez, Delap, Vydra and Richardson would be enough.
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Really? He's out for probably at least 3 months probably 6 and we are looking to offer 2 years for someone who <b>once</b>scored 20 goals in the Champ?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:28 pmsounds like there is a 2 year deal on the table for him and he is likely to sign
As much as I think he's got better since his first season he has still scored 8 in almost 80 appearances for us. Not the player to offer 2 years to with his current injury position unless we pay him relative peanuts
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As for Wghorst I agree with Dan. If he gets more than 10 in the Champ I will be surprised. He looked decent at first but then sides just realised they had to press him hard and he was nullified
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Sounds decent to me, happy to do the same if he doesn’t get to 30.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:35 pmAll depends on the new manager playing to his strengths, but i would be happy to donate a tenner to a charity or the youth foundation to make it interesting.
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He scored 20 in the championship more than once and as for WW if people dont think he will score in the championship then i think you will be proven wrong. Bundesliga is much harder than the championship. He is a Dutch international.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:47 pmReally? He's out for probably at least 3 months probably 6 and we are looking to offer 2 years for someone who <b>once</b>scored 20 goals in the Champ?
As much as I think he's got better since his first season he has still scored 8 in almost 80 appearances for us. Not the player to offer 2 years to with his current injury position unless we pay him relative peanuts
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Only problem with this is Jay can't seem to string any meaningful run of games together before he's injured, and Vydra will highly likely be next year before he's ready to kick a ball in anger for us again.RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:47 pmI wouldn’t be too upset if Wout left.
Should Kompany come in I can genuinely see us getting Liam Delap on loan from City. The lad needs first team experience and won’t be getting it there with Haaland and Alvarez arriving.
If we get a similar fee to what we paid for Wout then that would erase the debt (money we owe to Wolfsburg) we likely have from signing him - as well as getting his wages off the books, which Id imagine will be one of the larger ones.
Working with 4 strikers in Rodriguez, Delap, Vydra and Richardson would be enough.
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I'm totally with you on this one. As much as I like Vyds and all his effort, and obviously gutted for him and his injury, I just don't see how a two year deal makes sense.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:47 pmReally? He's out for probably at least 3 months probably 6 and we are looking to offer 2 years for someone who <b>once</b>scored 20 goals in the Champ?
As much as I think he's got better since his first season he has still scored 8 in almost 80 appearances for us. Not the player to offer 2 years to with his current injury position unless we pay him relative peanuts
He's going to be out until at least 2023 you'd think, the new manager may not even want him and surely his salary may be better off spent on a ready to go loan that can immediately help us?
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No he didn't. Check the stats. He's put for probably 25% of that contract, he will be less than 100% for probably another 25% and by then he's 2 years older.claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:00 pmHe scored 20 in the championship more than once and as for WW if people dont think he will score in the championship then i think you will be proven wrong. Bundesliga is much harder than the championship. He is a Dutch international.
I think if he were fully fit I would say yes if he were willing but it's a waste if a wage in my opinion
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He's done it twice, 2012-13 and 17-18, and managed a reasonable 16 in 14-15.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:47 pmReally? He's out for probably at least 3 months probably 6 and we are looking to offer 2 years for someone who <b>once</b>scored 20 goals in the Champ?
As much as I think he's got better since his first season he has still scored 8 in almost 80 appearances for us. Not the player to offer 2 years to with his current injury position unless we pay him relative peanuts
Do agree that now that he's injured it's a hugely different scenario and becomes a gamble rather than fully reassuring, but prior to the injury he was my first choice of him,Barnes and Jay as his pace and technique offer us something we otherwise lack and can't cheaply replace. The problem is if his injury costs him his pace, as his movement to find and force space is his greatest strength.
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Might want to check the stats yourselfBabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:27 pmNo he didn't. Check the stats. He's put for probably 25% of that contract, he will be less than 100% for probably another 25% and by then he's 2 years older.
I think if he were fully fit I would say yes if he were willing but it's a waste if a wage in my opinion
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Sorry missed some!!!
But I agree with spt. Before his injury I would have said yes to keep him on (if he was prepared to) but now it's way more of gamble.
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That's ******* ages ago though, especially in football terms.spt_claret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:34 pmHe's done it twice, 2012-13 and 17-18, and managed a reasonable 16 in 14-15.
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Fair points.Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:18 pmOnly problem with this is Jay can't seem to string any meaningful run of games together before he's injured, and Vydra will highly likely be next year before he's ready to kick a ball in anger for us again.
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Agree with that but if he can find that form then gamble may be worth itBabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:50 pmSorry missed some!!!
But I agree with spt. Before his injury I would have said yes to keep him on (if he was prepared to) but now it's way more of gamble.
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Remember Vydra will cost us nothing but wages. To replace him would likely involve a hefty fee
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We can't afford too many gambles though. To be fair he IS different and whilst I don't think he's likely going to be prolific in the Ings/Vokes/Gray way he is likely to chip in as second striker and offers more than just goals. IF he can be back to full fitnessclaretcarrot93 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:57 pmAgree with that but if he can find that form then gamble may be worth it
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I agree and as I said it's a huge question mark if he can again especially with his injury. Just (pedantically) making the point that it's wrong to say he only hit 20+ once or only had a decent return once.
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Maxwel missed a couple also. To come into a struggling team mid season and shine would fake some doing.tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 8:27 amAdjust or not, he recently missed two golden opportunities which may have kept us up.
I had high hopes for him but it's clearly not come for him this season.
We'll see what happens, I guess.
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Had a hard time towards the end of the season for sure. Scored consistently at good level throughout his career and been linked to big clubs. I For one hope he stays and prospers.
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He look's way too slow to score 20+ in the Championship, but then again even Iwelumo banged in Championship goals during his career.. so who knows.
I don't think Wout will ever be good enough for the PL though.
I don't think Wout will ever be good enough for the PL though.
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Vokes was barely quicker and scored 20 for us in 13/14
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Vokes could head a ball and had better physicality though. Do think Wout has other attributes that could excel against Champ defences though. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was off tbh.Exeterclaret wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:00 pmVokes was barely quicker and scored 20 for us in 13/14
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Considering the financial mess we are in if anybody offered anything like what we paid for him I would snatch their hands off. If the man cannot be seen as a first choice striker when we needed desperately to score goals I am at a loss to know what we expect next season. I am struggling to see what his attributes are; one of the tallest strikers in the premier league and can’t head for toffee, not exactly pacy and nothing like a natural goal scorer.
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I’ll say he’ll score 20 in the Championship next season.
Happy to go on record
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If he goes it will be no big loss.
If he stays we will find out if it's just the PL he is not good enough for
If he stays we will find out if it's just the PL he is not good enough for
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Perhaps play to Wouts strengths not his weaknesses... in to feet ... not head
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If only he could make himself as popular as Jutkiewicz.
Another striker who couldn't score.
Another striker who couldn't score.
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"Wouts magic feet" has a ring to it that ...
You do realise for most of his senior career in the past 6 years he has a 1 in 2 goals to games ratio befor coming to BFC where he came into a team struggling for goals etc ... in a very tough league ...
His reputation is for goals with his "magic feet" not his head don't you Fra... (darn it) I mean Elizabeth
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I'm with you on this, I think he'll look like Zlatan in the championship, the caveat being of course we'll have to give him decent service.Blakesboots wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:40 pmI’ll say he’ll score 20 in the Championship next season.
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Those stats you are so hung up on boss are pointless and I think you are chasing down the wrong path , if you know what I mean.
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Shame he missed the last two, could have so much been a different story.
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AZ Alkmaar, even Joe Jakub played for them
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reading about Kompany's tactics Anderlecht scored 71 goals this season and not a single one was a header, they played into feet which is what Wout prefers. Not sure about him myself at all if I'm honest
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Not one header out of 71? That's extraordinary.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 amreading about Kompany's tactics Anderlecht scored 71 goals this season and not a single one was a header, they played into feet which is what Wout prefers. Not sure about him myself at all if I'm honest
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It has shades of Chris Waddle about it... Going for a big name, but at least kompany has some experience!Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 amreading about Kompany's tactics Anderlecht scored 71 goals this season and not a single one was a header, they played into feet which is what Wout prefers. Not sure about him myself at all if I'm honest
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Juke done alright in the Championship.dougcollins wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:47 pmIf only he could make himself as popular as Jutkiewicz.
Another striker who couldn't score.
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Your going to be disappointed if he stays. He’s very much another Jelle Vossen, technically good but doesn’t have the physicality or athleticism for English football.Bosscat wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:43 pm"Wouts magic feet" has a ring to it that ...
You do realise for most of his senior career in the past 6 years he has a 1 in 2 goals to games ratio befor coming to BFC where he came into a team struggling for goals etc ... in a very tough league ...
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His reputation is for goals with his "magic feet" not his head don't you Fra... (darn it) I mean Elizabeth
Slowest striker I’ve ever seen. He will just get bullied.
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Surely not?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 amreading about Kompany's tactics Anderlecht scored 71 goals this season and not a single one was a header, they played into feet which is what Wout prefers. Not sure about him myself at all if I'm honest
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If he goes back abroad he will be seen as a failure, We gave him & Cornet their chance on the big stage,Very hard to slot into a struggling team,usually takes overseas players a while to get up to pace, Would it not make more sense to get a full pre season under their belts hopefully hit the ground running
without the niggling injuries and see how we go .. ?
without the niggling injuries and see how we go .. ?
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Wouts magic feet are as mythical as magic beans.
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I think Wout will do fine in the championship BUT he needs a natural goalscorer up front with him.
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How did he manage such a good goal ratio in the Bundesliga, then? And the Bundesliga is a miles better league than the Championship.Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:21 pmConsidering the financial mess we are in if anybody offered anything like what we paid for him I would snatch their hands off. If the man cannot be seen as a first choice striker when we needed desperately to score goals I am at a loss to know what we expect next season. I am struggling to see what his attributes are; one of the tallest strikers in the premier league and can’t head for toffee, not exactly pacy and nothing like a natural goal scorer.
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I think WW is worth a punt in the Championship but again if he is facing a 50 per cent pay cut I suspect he may go.
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Kompany on what he wants from a player:
"I like an aggressive team, that is in my nature, and I like pressing but I don't do it necessarily with players who are 6ft 4. I prefer to have players who are mobile and fast and it doesn't matter their size, as long as they are mobile and good on the ball."
I would suggest that bar the ‘good on the ball’ element that Weghorst will possibly not meet what Kompany wants from a player on that basis.
"I like an aggressive team, that is in my nature, and I like pressing but I don't do it necessarily with players who are 6ft 4. I prefer to have players who are mobile and fast and it doesn't matter their size, as long as they are mobile and good on the ball."
I would suggest that bar the ‘good on the ball’ element that Weghorst will possibly not meet what Kompany wants from a player on that basis.
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I thought Wout was very aggressive and good at pressing
Admittedly not the fastest, but not as slow as people have been making out
Admittedly not the fastest, but not as slow as people have been making out
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Certainly aggressive, but would say he’s probably the slowest striker I have seen turn out for Burnley since Ronnie Jepson (probably tied with Gifton Noel-Williams who had arthritis in both knees).Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:05 pmI thought Wout was very aggressive and good at pressing
Admittedly not the fastest, but not as slow as people have been making out
Perhaps if we get pace around him he will prosper, but unsure on the basis of pace and mobility how he would fit into what Kompany seems to desire.
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