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by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:12 am
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:09 am
At just a few million why aren't PL clubs therefore not taking a chance on him?
Because there is a huge jump for a league 1 youngster to suddenly go to the Prem.
Bit like when people use to cream themselves over Brentford's recruitment with regards signing league 1 and 2 players, developing them and then selling them. The minute they got to the Prem they changed and recruited from higher divisions
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by Nori1958 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:12 am
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:09 am
At just a few million why aren't PL clubs therefore not taking a chance on him?
How many premier league teams buy league one players?
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:19 am
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:12 am
Because there is a huge jump for a league 1 youngster to suddenly go to the Prem.
Bit like when people use to cream themselves over Brentford's recruitment with regards signing league 1 and 2 players, developing them and then selling them. The minute they got to the Prem they changed and recruited from higher divisions
Exactly right
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:20 am
williamjblazkowicz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:09 am
Nice to see this thread get back on topic with regard to Scott Twine. This isn't some third-string player. 20 goals and 13 assists in a season is not to be sniffed at. He's clearly very good at his craft. I just hope we're not having the wool pulled over our eyes by some fake journalist a la Brad Jones.
No it’s Nixon, and even though I’m not his biggest fan, has actually reported we’ve bid for him. Most of Nixon’s stories loosely link us to players, but he seems to have committed that we’ve bid, which is more encouraging!
I’ll be delighted if this comes off. As Newcastle said, exactly the type of player we should be going for.
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:22 am
With regards to Twine / Wallace, now we see how much the ‘Kompany factor’ helps. Seems like there’s decent competition for both so let’s not get our hopes up too much - though at the same time I’m more confident now of landing these types with VK at the helm.
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by williamjblazkowicz » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:23 am
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:12 am
How many premier league teams buy league one players?
Not many!
In the 2021/22 season, I only found Palace, Norwich, and Watford purchased League One players. None of those were big outlays (few hundred thousand at most).
Palace: Remi Matthews
Norwich: Flynn Clarke
Watford: Mattie Pollock
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by Dom » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:23 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:20 am
No it’s Nixon, and even though I’m not his biggest fan, has actually reported we’ve bid for him. Most of Nixon’s stories loosely link us to players, but he seems to have committed that we’ve bid, which is more encouraging!
I’ll be delighted if this comes off. As Newcastle said, exactly the type of player we should be going for.
Let's hope we're not being strung along.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:24 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:19 am
Exactly right
In that sense, I’d say we’re the perfect step up for him; one league up, likely to be challenging at the top of the table so should get plenty of chances to impress, decent PL-experienced players around him, may get his shot at the Prem with us after establishing himself in the team and, if not, knows plenty of PL clubs will buy from Burnley.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:24 am
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:23 am
Let's hope we're not being strung along.
Terrible
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:25 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:24 am
In that sense, I’d say we’re the perfect step up for him; one league up, likely to be challenging at the top of the table so should get plenty of chances to impress, decent PL-experienced players around him, may get his shot at the Prem with us after establishing himself in the team and, if not, knows plenty of PL clubs will buy from Burnley.
Yeah I’d say so too. Plus the style of football VK plays will suit Twine. MK very much a possession based side in League one.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:27 am
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:09 am
At just a few million why aren't PL clubs therefore not taking a chance on him?
Could of said the same about Johnson the season before and Toney before that.
He’s young they will want to see if he can make it in the champ before pushing on.
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by Hipper » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:32 am
williamjblazkowicz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:09 am
Nice to see this thread get back on topic with regard to Scott Twine. This isn't some third-string player. 20 goals and 13 assists in a season is not to be sniffed at. He's clearly very good at his craft. I just hope we're not having the wool pulled over our eyes by some fake journalist a la Brad Jones.
I'd cottoned on what you're up to and thought I'd add to this thread by saying that I hope we're not being strung along too.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:40 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:22 am
With regards to Twine / Wallace, now we see how much the ‘Kompany factor’ helps. Seems like there’s decent competition for both so let’s not get our hopes up too much - though at the same time I’m more confident now of landing these types with VK at the helm.
Of all the links, these two are the most important in terms of my confidence of returning to the PL. Wallace for his experience of this league and goals from the wing, Twine for his set piece ability and midfield creativity (both of which we’ve lacked for years). After that, happy with whoever VK wants to bring in from his time at City/Anderlecht.
I read a thread on twitter this morning with Hull fans claiming we’re skint, have no players and an inexperienced manager
I had to look where they finished & who their manager was because I had no idea. I still don’t know who their manager is
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves but I think VK will be a masterstroke at attracting players.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:50 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:40 am
Of all the links, these two are the most important in terms of my confidence of returning to the PL. Wallace for his experience of this league and goals from the wing, Twine for his set piece ability and midfield creativity (both of which we’ve lacked for years). After that, happy with whoever VK wants to bring in from his time at City/Anderlecht.
I read a thread on twitter this morning with Hull fans claiming we’re skint, have no players and an inexperienced manager
I had to look where they finished & who their manager was because I had no idea. I still don’t know who their manager is
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves but I think VK will be a masterstroke at attracting players.
I agree to an extent but I still feel CM is absolutely critical for us.
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:52 am
Hull’s reporter reckons their owner is very confident of landing Twine. I’ll be a bit bemused if he chooses Hull over us to be fair.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:53 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:40 am
Of all the links, these two are the most important in terms of my confidence of returning to the PL. Wallace for his experience of this league and goals from the wing, Twine for his set piece ability and midfield creativity (both of which we’ve lacked for years). After that, happy with whoever VK wants to bring in from his time at City/Anderlecht.
I read a thread on twitter this morning with Hull fans claiming we’re skint, have no players and an inexperienced manager
I had to look where they finished & who their manager was because I had no idea. I still don’t know who their manager is
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves but I think VK will be a masterstroke at attracting players.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:56 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:50 am
I agree to an extent but I still feel CM is absolutely critical for us.
I still think Cork & Brownhill are PL class and will dominate Championship midfields. I honestly doubt we’d have gone down had Cork played a full season. Let’s not get started on Brownhill as we know your views but I think you’ll find he looks a class above in the Championship.
But an addition like Cullen or Lokonga - would prefer the latter but maybe not when you consider it’d only be a loan would be great too.
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by tiger76 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:01 am
Adding Twine and Wallace would be excellent business, one in the £4m range, the other a good free signing in the Champ, what they should both offer is assists and goals from midfield, and this is an area we've struggled badly in for a few years now.
I'd rather we kept Collins, but if talk of £40m from Wolves is correct, then I can see why we'd be tempted.
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by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:04 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:24 am
In that sense, I’d say we’re the perfect step up for him; one league up, likely to be challenging at the top of the table so should get plenty of chances to impress, decent PL-experienced players around him, may get his shot at the Prem with us after establishing himself in the team and, if not, knows plenty of PL clubs will buy from Burnley.
BuT wE cOuLdN’t BeAt HuDdErSfIeLd In ThE cUp.
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by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:13 am
I’d think we could outmuscle financially sides like Hull and West Brom. We know sales may be needed to pay down the debt or to fund transfers but there remain parachutes and wages offered should be strong at this level. Then we have the working environment, geographic location vs Hull, top facilities and star manager.
Wouldn’t surprise me if we signed these players.
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by Sheedyclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:17 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:50 am
I agree to an extent but I still feel CM is absolutely critical for us.
Centre forward a priority to..
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by 2 Bee Holed » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:23 am
Let's hope we're not being strung along.
From what I hear he's bobbins.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:11 am
2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:56 am
From what I hear he's bobbins.
He’s definitely knot
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by KRBFC » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:13 am
Twine, Wallace, Cullen, Harwood Bellis, Mcnally and a starting striker, all on permanent deals, will be a very good window. Hopefully we can shift Brownhill to make room for another CM to start alongside Cullen. Keep Mcneil and Pope. Sell Brownhill, Collins, Cornet, Weghorst.
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by KRBFC » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:15 am
I just hope we aren't relying on goals from Rodriguez, Barnes and a currently injured Vydra to fire us to promotion because that will not be anywhere near enough.
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by Murger » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:21 am
I haven't seen us being linked with a striker yet. That is another priority position.
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by Jakubs Tash » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:28 am
Murger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:21 am
I haven't seen us being linked with a striker yet. That is another priority position.
....apart from the one in Belgium. Gueye (sp?) was he called?
If Twine signs I could see him playing centrally as a deep forward but, yeah, we do need another number 9.
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by warksclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:31 am
If we get even half of the players being linked it shows the importance of having a manager who is highly regarded by his peers, and maybe influeced Cork signing a new contract too
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by warksclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:11 am
He’s definitely knot
No more stupid puns, lets please stick to the thread title
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
I saw yesterday that City will allow Liam Delap out on loan this season. He would be an obvious choice to bring in as a striker.
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by jojomk1 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:35 am
2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:56 am
From what I hear he's bobbins.
Couldn't be further from the truth
This guy is absolutely laced with talent and will have the opposition sewn up
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by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:36 am
Nixon is also saying that there is a 3rd team interested, and if they are serious, then us and Hull have no chance
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by RVclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:38 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:36 am
Nixon is also saying that there is a 3rd team interested, and if they are serious, then us and Hull have no chance
Prob a Prem team then
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by KRBFC » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:38 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
I saw yesterday that City will allow Liam Delap out on loan this season. He would be an obvious choice to bring in as a striker.
Kinda seems like a waste of time developing young City players they aren't good sell to us in the future, while blocking the path of our own youngster like Richardson imo.
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by KRBFC » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:41 am
I wonder if Adam Phillips will be in and around the team this season? 24 years old now, sink or swim time for him. Had good spells in League One, I've not seen him play so no idea if he's good enough.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:43 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:38 am
Prob a Prem team then
You would assume, but would also have to question whether that’s the best career move in terms of game time, etc.
Maybe one of the promoted teams.
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by NewClaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:46 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:38 am
Kinda seems like a waste of time developing young City players they aren't good sell to us in the future, while blocking the path of our own youngster like Richardson imo.
Typically would agree with you but might make an exception for Delap.
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by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:48 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
No more stupid puns, lets please stick to the thread title
Get knotted.
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by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:54 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
No more stupid puns, lets please stick to the thread title
I'm afraid not
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by tiger76 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:56 am
We need to tie this Twine lad down on a long term deal, then if he's a hit we'll at the very least be able to make a healthy profit if and when he does move on, which he probably will down the line.
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by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:01 am
On the subject of signing players from League One, I remember speaking to Steve Cotterill on the day we signed both Wade Elliott and Garreth O'Connor. I asked how pleased he was with them and he said pleased but no more because you never know whether a player will adapt to a higher division. He also said, you can't bring in too many from below because if you do you will end up there.
I suppose he had mixed success with that - Duff & Elliott on one side for sure and O'Connor & Spicer on the other.
I don't know too much about Twine to be honest, he plays for a club I'm not inclined to rush to see (although enjoyed watching Wycombe beating them in the play-offs) but I do know he's been getting positive reports.
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by bfcwest » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:01 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 am
No more stupid puns, lets please stick to the thread title
Calm down, what's with all the needle
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by bfcwest » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:04 am
I think he'll knit into the team really well.
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by KRBFC » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:10 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:01 am
On the subject of signing players from League One, I remember speaking to Steve Cotterill on the day we signed both Wade Elliott and Garreth O'Connor. I asked how pleased he was with them and he said pleased but no more because you never know whether a player will adapt to a higher division. He also said, you can't bring in too many from below because if you do you will end up there.
I suppose he had mixed success with that - Duff & Elliott on one side for sure and O'Connor & Spicer on the other.
I don't know too much about Twine to be honest, he plays for a club I'm not inclined to rush to see (although enjoyed watching Wycombe beating them in the play-offs) but I do know he's been getting positive reports.
Ipswich did similar, brought in the ex Shrewsbury manager Hurst and in came like 10 League One players during the summer, they quickly went down without a fight.
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by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:12 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:10 am
Ipswich did similar, brought in the ex Shrewsbury manager Hurst and in came like 10 League One players during the summer, they quickly went down without a fight.
And Hurst didn't last long
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by Tall Paul » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:12 am
These are worse than all the ice cream "jokes" last summer.
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by RicardoMontalban » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:16 am
Tall Paul wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:12 am
These are worse than all the ice cream "jokes" last summer.
Don’t be such a flake
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by Murger » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:17 am
Tall Paul wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:12 am
These are worse than all the ice cream "jokes" last summer.
That's ice cold.
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by claretrobo1 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:20 am
Bags of assists in league 1. He can certainly thread the ball through the eye of a needle
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