Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:12 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:08 pm
So you won’t miss Pope or Tarkowski then ?

Not really. I’d be happy to see a brand new starting 11.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:13 pm

We could do a lot worse than get someone like Gary Cahill in on a freebie.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:13 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:12 pm
I don’t blame him.

Collins, Pope and Cornet - I expected to lose all 3.

It was always going to happen once you coupled our finances with relegation

BuryClaret · Post by **BuryClaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:11 pm
Cornet’s agent is working dammed hard to make that happen.

Yep, when you consider he was playing Champions League football just a couple of seasons ago it was never likely that he would stay for the Championship.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm

What is Pace doing to our club !!
Not looking forward to the next couple of years at all

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:13 pm
We could do a lot worse than get someone like Gary Cahill in on a freebie.

Not played since January. Think he got a bad injury.

Doubt we’d look at players of his age now in any case.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:05 pm
He is a talent, but I’ve said before, I wouldn’t miss any of last years team

I fear you're in for a rude awakening over the coming years, if you don't miss players from when the club is at / close to it's zenith.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm

This news is so bad. Collins is one of the only genuine premier league quality players we have.

Our chances of promotion have now significantly decreased

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:13 pm
It was always going to happen once you coupled our finances with relegation

Always going to happen when there's a release clause as well

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:13 pm
It was always going to happen once you coupled our finances with relegation

Best players usually get sold on relegation.

Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent a grand total of 0.

Glad we aren’t doing that.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm

I don’t think we were ever getting £30-40m for a defender with less than half a Prem season under his belt.

There’s bags of potential there, but I’m not sure how many Championship to Premier League transfers there have been for more than £20m. Particularly for a defender.

Us selling Keane & Bournemouth selling Ake for huge fees were anomalies really and both had played more at the top level.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm
I fear you're in for a rude awakening over the coming years, if you don't miss players from when the club is at / close to it's zenith.

Spot on Dan. Already lost three outstanding players in Pope, Tarkowski & Mee.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm

When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm
Best players usually get sold on relegation.

Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent a grand total of 0.

Glad we aren’t doing that.

That’s true

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm

paulatky wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm
What is Pace doing to our club !!
Not looking forward to the next couple of years at all

Easily sorted, stay away

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:17 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm
When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:18 pm

I think the aim is get rid of as many Premier league wages, for this season an have a squad to build to such payments when necessary to tie in longer second contracts and allow a firm core to develop as a group. I had hoped Collins would be part of it, we’ll see I guess.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm

Collins/Cornet/McNeil/Brownhill/ Roberts.

Looks like Collins can be crossed off.

Once clubs get serious about our boys they are off.

Add to Tarkowski/ Mee / Pope /Weghorst.

The exit path was laid some time ago and is irreversible

matttheclaret · Post by **matttheclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm

I'd say for any of these young players we are signing - don't get too attached to them. I'd say virtually all of them will have release clauses in their contracts which end up being considerably lower than we think it should be.

It's the ALK model isn't it? Sign for cheap(ish) and aim for a smallish profit. I have my doubts it's a model that will get us back into the Premier League any time soon.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm
Best players usually get sold on relegation.

Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent a grand total of 0.

Glad we aren’t doing that.

And that's why comparing us to Wolves rejecting a bid for one of their players is a totally different context, along with broader financial conditions of course.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:20 pm

Collins looked likely to be talented when we signed him

Stepped in by default due to injuries last season and did well

But he’s far from proven and the pressure induced mistake he made against Newcastle highlighted his immaturity

I’d like to keep him but I don’t feel like we’re necessarily losing a super talented player, just a player with all the right physical attributes and potential

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm
When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

Fair points Dande.

The better question is what have the club actually benefitted from this lot?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm
When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

Any time you want, just not on this thread as has been proved by previous threads. Though they tend not to last long as the abuse hurlers will be along shortly.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

It won't reflect well on Vincent Kompany as an ex central defender turned manager if he assembles a squad that can't defend for a bag of toffees.

Especially as the toffees now have Keane and Tarkowski in their ranks.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:22 pm

Collins ...

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:22 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm
And that's why comparing us to Wolves rejecting a bid for one of their players is a totally different context, along with broader financial conditions of course.

No - my point has always been that we should keep McNeil at all costs, as I believe he will dominate this league and suddenly be a 25m+ player again (like Gibbs White now).

Jason O’Connor is usually spot on with Irish players and reported a release clause a while back around 20m, just to add some perspective.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm
This news is so bad. Collins is one of the only genuine premier league quality players we have.

Bambi on ice according to you.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:24 pm

Nixon saying that it would have to be more than 20, Boden saying that there's nothing to stand it up at this end.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:24 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm
Bambi on ice according to you.

Well done you have taken a snippet from one match rating thread.

I also said on numerous other ones that he was top class.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm

A shame as Collins has the potential to be one of the best but this isn't unexpected; he all but said he was leaving weeks ago after he scored that goal for Ireland.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:22 pm
Collins ...

That’s a reference to Cullen

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:22 pm
No - my point has always been that we should keep McNeil at all costs, as I believe he will dominate this league and suddenly be a 25m+ player again (like Gibbs White now).

Jason O’Connor is usually spot on with Irish players and reported a release clause a while back around 20m, just to add some perspective.

He’s virtually always spot on with Irish players. Has been with all those we’ve signed from Hendrick onwards.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm
He’s virtually always spot on with Irish players. Has been with all those we’ve signed from Hendrick onwards.

Yes - interesting one this as no other outlet has reported it.

Nixon still thinks we want more than 20.5m.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:28 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm
That’s a reference to Cullen

I know

but couldn't edit the post and/or Delete ... hey ho tis the way of this board now ...

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:25 pm
He’s virtually always spot on with Irish players. Has been with all those we’ve signed from Hendrick onwards.

One of the best on social media in terms of accuracy

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:31 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:24 pm
Nixon saying that it would have to be more than 20, Boden saying that there's nothing to stand it up at this end.

Feels to me like Wolves are trying to unsettle Nathan Collins prior to making a ‘lowball’ offer that we feel we need to accept as Collins wants to move…

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:02 pm
Reality of relegation, and the reality of having cash issues unfortunately

But what happened to the idea that we sell players for a good profit after buying them?

I thought that was the business model we are supposed to be adopting?

When you take out Stoke's cut it probably won't leave us with too much profit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:34 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:31 pm
Feels to me like Wolves are trying to unsettle Nathan Collins prior to making a ‘lowball’ offer that we feel we need to accept as Collins wants to move…

Percy is 100% accurate when he tweets

Nixon is not

Its a done deal

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:53 pm
Or we are absolutely desperate and clutching at the first bid. Disappointing if thats the case

How do you know it's the first bid and who told John Percy the fee was £20m.
Genuine questions.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm

New policy of buying youth is only good if we keep our experienced players.

We can't expect to challenge for promotion with Hardwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley, Keving Long and Luke McNally as our centre backs.

It's just not going to happen.

Pace seems intent on accepting any offer we get for our senior pros.

Insanity.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:32 pm
But what happened to the idea that we sell players for a good profit after buying them?

I thought that was the business model we are supposed to be adopting?

When you take out Stoke's cut it probably won't leave us with too much profit.

I think you need to read the post you quoted.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:34 pm
Percy is 100% accurate when he tweets

Nixon is not

Its a done deal

Percy said they are advanced talks at that price, not that we have accepted that price, so no it’s not a done deal yet.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm

truly sickening business if so, £20m? and the fkn rest. £10m for Pope was outrageous too.

How much of that £20m is gonna be reinvested? sell a truly incredible young talent for pennies profit and replace him with a freebie kid from Man City and a loan player. We must have brought in 5/6 players and spent less than £10m

£15m profit in January window, we all know which black hole that went into. It's morally wrong player sales are paying this debt, pay for your own f**king seat at the table. I said this from the very start, it's an absolute disgrace the club and team is financially suffering to pay money for new owners.

PSG spent £170m on Mbappe, Burnley FC spent £170m on Alan Pace.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm

Not sure I am that keen on two very very young inexperienced CB's and Keeper. Feels like we are asking for trouble, unless Longy is going to start!

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm
New policy of buying youth is only good if we keep our experienced players.

We can't expect to challenge for promotion with Hardwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley, Keving Long and Luke McNally as our centre backs.

It's just not going to happen.

Pace seems intent on accepting any offer we get for our senior pros.

Insanity.

Collins is only 21, isn't he? Hardly what I'd describe as a senior pro.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm
I think you need to read the post you quoted.

But we are never going to get into a position of buy low sell high then if we'll always be desperate for the cash.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm
Collins is only 21, isn't he? Hardly what I'd describe as a senior pro.

That's true, but he was a regular at Stoke in the Championship and now has Premier League experience under his belt. That would be invaluable with the players we now have in.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm
I don’t think we were ever getting £30-40m for a defender with less than half a Prem season under his belt.

There’s bags of potential there, but I’m not sure how many Championship to Premier League transfers there have been for more than £20m. Particularly for a defender.

Us selling Keane & Bournemouth selling Ake for huge fees were anomalies really and both had played more at the top level.

I wonder if the current management could have got £25m for Michael Keane

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:39 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:36 pm
Percy said they are advanced talks at that price, not that we have accepted that price, so no it’s not a done deal yet.

Bet you that it is

He only tweets when the deal is certain to happen

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:39 pm
Bet you that it is

He only tweets when the deal is certain to happen

He tweeted Hull had bid 3m plus add ons for Scott Twine with a deal advancing.