Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[DCWat]

Who said we're broke?
What's the issue with signing "unproven and cheaper" players to develop them and either keep like we did with Mee or sell them on?

O'Hare is out for the foreseeable, not sure why he's relevant to the conversation, maybe it's time to move on from him...

Ignoring names and focusing on the point, I can certainly see where KRBFC is coming from. I have the same concerns. Hopefully we’ve played a blinder and found some gems but the odds probably aren’t in our favour.

[NewClaret]

O’Hares stats were very average and his own fans said he couldn’t shoot and his final ball was poor. See no reason why we’d want to pay so much for someone like that. Glad we steered well clear.

[NewClaret]

Ignoring names and focusing on the point, I can certainly see where KRBFC is coming from. I have the same concerns. Hopefully we’ve played a blinder and found some gems but the odds probably aren’t in our favour.

They wont all be gems for sure. That would be impossible. So far I’ve been very impressed with Maatsen, THB, Muric, Cullen, Vitinho, Bastien - so the signs are good that our team know how to identify good players. The rest haven’t really played enough for me to form an opinion.

[Nori1958]

They wont all be gems for sure. That would be impossible. So far I’ve been very impressed with Maatsen, THB, Muric, Cullen, Vitinho, Bastien - so the signs are good that our team know how to identify good players. The rest haven’t really played enough for me to form an opinion.

Tella?

[Vegas Claret]

If the link with Zaroury is correct and he signs then maybe all our attention will turn to a centre half and that is the reason we didn't pursue Mikautadze.

I assume Zaroury will cost less than Mikautadze and hopefully we are still in the market for a commanding defender or two. We all want height and presence but I am desperate for extra pace at the back and that includes the right back area.

I've been surprisingly disappointed with Roberts, given his success at Swansea I thought he'd find it pretty easy but he's been a bit luke warm and his distribution has been pretty poor. We are not seeing what he offers for Wales unfortunately

[Goody1975]

I've been surprisingly disappointed with Roberts, given his success at Swansea I thought he'd find it pretty easy but he's been a bit luke warm and his distribution has been pretty poor. We are not seeing what he offers for Wales unfortunately

Due to the free licence to attack that Maatsen is being given I feel that Roberts is being asked to play a more restricted role. I don't think it suits him as he is more a wing back than a full back and isn't the best defensively, he also lacks a yard of pace but that is the case for our whole back four.

[DCWat]

I've been surprisingly disappointed with Roberts, given his success at Swansea I thought he'd find it pretty easy but he's been a bit luke warm and his distribution has been pretty poor. We are not seeing what he offers for Wales unfortunately

Luke warm - is being generous. I’m losing patience with him, i think he’s been shite. A massive disappointment.

[Vegas Claret]

Due to the free licence to attack that Maatsen is being given I feel that Roberts is being asked to play a more restricted role. I don't think it suits him as he is more a wing back than a full back and isn't the best defensively, he also lacks a yard of pace but that is the case for our whole back four.

quite possibly

[Vegas Claret]

Luke warm - is being generous. I’m losing patience with him, i think he’s been shite. A massive disappointment.

I was indeed feeling generous

[Goody1975]

Luke warm - is being generous. I’m losing patience with him, i think he’s been shite. A massive disappointment.

Say what feel, don't hold back.

[Goody1975]

Could we see CJ Egan-Riley getting his chance at full back?

I haven't seen him play so can't comment on his ability or if he is ready yet.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ignoring names and focusing on the point, I can certainly see where KRBFC is coming from. I have the same concerns. Hopefully we’ve played a blinder and found some gems but the odds probably aren’t in our favour.

We had an aging squad that couldn't keep up in the PL, several left for free and others wanted to stay in the PL, or go somewhere other than the championship.

We all know we needed a massive overhaul and of course we were going to end up with some young unproven players, but the majority of them all have experience of first team football, even if it is abroad but of a similar standard.

I actually think we've done quite well getting such a large number of players in and they want to be here, in England, in the Championship and playing for us.
The challenge is what excites them, because if the perform well we go up or have a real crack at it and some could go on to other clubs in the PL if they attract enough attention
I've said before, years ago, that we should've been signing players who viewed us as a stepping stone to bigger clubs and a number of this lot will be doing that.

There's no guarantee that it's going to click straight away, but I'd rather be trying this instead of signing aging journeymen players the wrong side of 30 etc.

[NewClaret]

Tella?

Didn’t go to Blackpool or Shrewsbury (hols) so have only seen him briefly vs Hull.

He’s the one people seem to be raving about though.

[Woodleyclaret]

Nathan Tella is a class act I was amazed Saints let him go, even on loan

[PWBFC]

Cameron Archer from Villa linked.

[RVclaret]

#BurnleyFC has pointed Cameron #Archer as top-target for their recruitment in attack ! The striker of #AVFC could be loaned to #Burnley with an option to buy. Talks ongoing. #Archer keen on the move.
To be continued. #twitterclarets #AstonVilla

He’d be quality but I think Villa need a new striker in first.

Then apparently there’s a queue for him.

[123EasyasBFC]

Nixon said early villa would only let him go if they get another attacker in

[Claret Alfie]

Archer would be a great signing. He looked good at Preston last season. Villa have let Wesley, Davies and Traore out on loan. I can’t see them letting Archer go when they only have Ings and Watkins as their only forwards.

[Jakubclaret]

Seeing as you probably won't be attending anytime soon I don't know why you're so perplexed about it.

For sake of argument if we'd have forked out £10m for O'Hare, then he'd sustained a serious injury, I'll wager you'd be one of the first to be complaining why we spent a fortune on him.

Regarding what happens in the boardroom we can't affect that, however what we can do is show up at TM and roar on the boys.

As I recall it wasn't so long ago that you didn't attend to geographical reasons away from BLM reasons so please don't judge, gate receipts probably make up a tiny fraction anyway in the grand scheme of things so me watching on television or turning up at TM makes very little difference in a financial sense.

[Vegas Claret]

Could we see CJ Egan-Riley getting his chance at full back?

I haven't seen him play so can't comment on his ability or if he is ready yet.

you would think having played in the CL for City he should be capable in the Championship. Must have shown enough to Pep and Kompany to warrant us signing him

[clarethomer]

#BurnleyFC has pointed Cameron #Archer as top-target for their recruitment in attack ! The striker of #AVFC could be loaned to #Burnley with an option to buy. Talks ongoing. #Archer keen on the move.
To be continued. #twitterclarets #AstonVilla

He’d be quality but I think Villa need a new striker in first.

Then apparently there’s a queue for him.

Now changed to say no option to buy

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[Row Z]

#BurnleyFC has pointed Cameron #Archer as top-target for their recruitment in attack ! The striker of #AVFC could be loaned to #Burnley with an option to buy. Talks ongoing. #Archer keen on the move.
To be continued. #twitterclarets #AstonVilla

He’d be quality but I think Villa need a new striker in first.

Then apparently there’s a queue for him.

Can rubbish that link with a quick google search:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/august ... -contract/

Signed a 5 year deal at the start of this season. Loan could be an option I suppose but tweet loses credibility.

[Row Z]

Now changed to say no option to buy

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Probably got picked up on the fact that he signed a new contract at the start of the season.

[NewClaret]

Now changed to say no option to buy

Must’ve been an autocorrect

Can’t get excited about this one as can’t see him being allowed to leave.

[RVclaret]

Yeah Sacha corrected the tweet there is no option to buy.

Looks like Villa need someone in first though so this could go down to the wire.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’m just beginning to wonder if this bloke on Twitter is being asked to put a few things out in the media on behalf of someone from the club.

First Kompany says we possibly can’t afford Mikautadze, and now This tweet states that we have made Archer our main target for a striker.

The quick change of tweet from an option to buy - to NO option to buy leads me to suspicion

I know he’s been pretty reliable before, which makes it all the more canny to use him for negotiation tactics , if indeed that is the case

[Vegas Claret]

I’m just beginning to wonder if this bloke on Twitter is being asked to put a few things out in the media on behalf of someone from the club.

First Kompany says we possibly can’t afford Mikautadze, and now This tweet states that we have made Archer our main target for a striker.

The quick change of tweet from an option to buy - to NO option to buy leads me to suspicion

I know he’s been pretty reliable before, which makes it all the more canny to use him for negotiation tactics , if indeed that is the case

Sacha is only bettered by Fabrizio Romano, clearly made a mistake with the option to buy but if he says we are in for him then we are in for him 100%

[Flying Without Ings]

Is Archer INSTEAD of the new Belgium forward linked today or is he still apparently on his way?

[Hedontplayforyou]

Sacha is only bettered by Fabrizio Romano, clearly made a mistake with the option to buy but if he says we are in for him then we are in for him 100%

Let’s see what happens , he’s been reliable thus far, just makes you wonder sometimes.

In other news our favourite Croatian , Orsic has scored tonight

[Vegas Claret]

Let’s see what happens , he’s been reliable thus far, just makes you wonder sometimes.

In other news our favourite Croatian , Orsic has scored tonight

[Hedontplayforyou]

I clocked it a moment ago, either way he’s one I follow due to his historic info. Archer would be decent , if not just to annoy PNE fans who seem rather upset about us being linked

[forzagranata]

you would think having played in the CL for City he should be capable in the Championship. Must have shown enough to Pep and Kompany to warrant us signing him

Played one Champions League game - in a second leg after they won the first leg 5-0.

Played a total of three minutes in the Premier League in his entire City career - also when 5-0 up.

Was sold on a free transfer to Burnley where he has yet to feature in a league game.

Hopefully turns out to be a great signing but far from clear yet how capable he will be in the Championship.

[Vegas Claret]

I clocked it a moment ago, either way he’s one I follow due to his historic info. Archer would be decent , if not just to annoy PNE fans who seem rather upset about us being linked

not going to lie, I don't know the first thing about him.......but we clearly need a striker

[Vegas Claret]

Played one Champions League game - in a second leg after they won the first leg 5-0.

Played a total of three minutes in the Premier League in his entire City career - also when 5-0 up.

Was sold on a free transfer to Burnley where he has yet to feature in a league game.

Hopefully turns out to be a great signing but far from clear yet how capable he will be in the Championship.

so you don't think the fact City have a youth set up full of top prospects from across the world and he still managed to get in the matchday squad (and onto the pitch in games) should give us an indication of his ability ? Ok then

[TheFamilyCat]

Nixon said early villa would only let him go if they get another attacker in

We could sell them Barnes.

[bfcjg]

If we do get Archer at least there's a ready made song as we seem obsessed with a song for everyone.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNEawM6vZf4

[AfloatinClaret]

not going to lie, I don't know the first thing about him...

This is the Beehole End Forum, so a lack of knowledge is no barrier to voicing an opinion, indeed there are times when I wonder if it isn't perhaps a requisite.

[forzagranata]

so you don't think the fact City have a youth set up full of top prospects from across the world and he still managed to get in the matchday squad (and onto the pitch in games) should give us an indication of his ability ? Ok then

If one were to be cruel - you could also say that they looked at him in two games and then gave him away for nothing to Burnley. All It means they thought he had promise but he didn't make the grade at a top, top club. Happens to most academy products at City etc.

Now he is with us to try and prove them wrong. Let's hope he does - but there is certainly nothing guaranteed about players like this and trying to pass him off as a Champions League level player is a bit much.

[NewClaret]

In other news our favourite Croatian , Orsic has scored tonight

7 goals and 2 assists in 12 this season. What a signing he’d have been. Do think he’d have kept us up.

[Vegas Claret]

Now he is with us to try and prove them wrong. Let's hope he does - but there is certainly nothing guaranteed about players like this and trying to pass him off as a Champions League level player is a bit much.

I would agree if that's what I said....

"you would think having played in the CL for City he should be capable in the Championship."

[forzagranata]

I would agree if that's what I said....

"you would think having played in the CL for City he should be capable in the Championship."

As I said getting a run out in a dead-rubber with City at home and already 5-0 up doesn't prove a great deal.

He's an inexperienced 19-year-old kid who has been released from a PL academy - I happen to think these are the kind of players we actually should be signing but don't build him up into something he isn't.

[Vegas Claret]

As I said getting a run out in a dead-rubber with City at home and already 5-0 up doesn't prove a great deal.

He's an inexperienced 19-year-old kid who has been released from a PL academy - I happen to think these are the kind of players we actually should be signing but don't build him up into something he isn't.

I didn't, I said he should be capable in the Championship

[clarethomer]

Is Archer INSTEAD of the new Belgium forward linked today or is he still apparently on his way?

Good question- anyone know?

[Swizzlestick]

I wouldn’t be surprised if PNE are still front of the queue for Archer - they desperately want him back and I think their manager is good mates with Gerrard. It’s not what you know….

[xxmunkyennuixx]

It's fine signing cheaper alternatives but more than likely, they wont be as good, nor will they have much resale value. O'Hare might have cost £8m now but I'd be very confident in saying he'll sell for £15m-20m in the next 2-3 years. Benson might have been the cheap alternative at £4m but he's nowhere near as good right now, he has a much lower ceiling therefor isn't a constant rising asset.

Collins was the perfect deal for flipping young players, he cost a pretty penny at £11m but he had an incredibly high ceiling and was ready to be used now. Then there's the here and now, our best players are the loans. Does it not make sense to sign players to gain promotion now? If we are broke now after almost £100m in sales (in 2022) then how to do we up the quality next year when the parachute payments are lowered?

To me, it seems we're buying these younger players because they are unproven and cheaper, not with a clear target to resell or gain promotion. How many of the players look to have any resale value? Mcnally and CJ aren't gonna quadruple in value anytime soon when they can't even get on the pitch.

Too much negativity - cheap does not necessarily mean poor i.e. Duff and Heaton. Very few people had heard of O'Hare before the summer so too much hope has been pinned on him from YouTube clips and mouthy Cov fans. You need to give the squad a chance to settle. Vinny is going to rotate a lot. CJ and Mc will get their chances. The loans are English based with Championship experience so of course they look at home more quickly. The club are not stockpiling shite without considering potential profit or promotion, trust the knowledge of the manager and recruitment team. Most have offered some sort of display of ability already. You often **** post on here, you need to relax a bit.

[mybloodisclaret]

Good question- anyone know?

Almost impossible to say. I have said for weeks now this aggressive transfer strategy is far better than ever before. It seems to me that we approach a player / agent / rep and sound out interest. VK has a chat and get's them interested. We then make a modest opening bid, which nearly always come out, usually rejected out of hand. We may go back with another offer, which then somehow gets out to the major journos, before we say that's the offer and we move on, the process repeats until Vinny gets his man.
We are playing hard ball.
Meanwhile other deals are being cooked up quietly behind the smoke like Tella that just came out of nowhere.
Who knows? Very exciting though.

[Vegas Claret]

Too much negativity - cheap does not necessarily mean poor i.e. Duff and Heaton. Very few people had heard of O'Hare before the summer so too much hope has been pinned on him from YouTube clips and mouthy Cov fans. You need to give the squad a chance to settle. Vinny is going to rotate a lot. CJ and Mc will get their chances. The loans are English based with Championship experience so of course they look at home more quickly. The club are not stockpiling shite without considering potential profit or promotion, trust the knowledge of the manager and recruitment team. Most have offered some sort of display of ability already. You often **** post on here, you need to relax a bit.

Jamie Vardy cost 1 million, non league to championship

[IanMcL]

Evidently, you can never have enough wingers!

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/24/bur ... al/575164/

[Juan Tanamera]

Evidently, you can never have enough wingers!

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/24/bur ... al/575164/

Great potential for the headline writers, let's hope he doesn't miss too many gilt edged chances.

[Quicknick]

Evidently, you can never have enough wingers!

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/24/bur ... al/575164/

Been quite a bit on here about him, Ian. Evidently, he's been playing in a sort of winger/centre forward role.