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This is mainly in the short term the fault of the war in Ukraine, my concern is the Weswho are all suffering will attempt to force a regime change in Russia and the consequences that will bring.
The only slight glimmer from this will be a real voter led drive to build a proper renewable energy system including nuclear for the UK.
The only slight glimmer from this will be a real voter led drive to build a proper renewable energy system including nuclear for the UK.
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Children who lived on jam & bread growing up & didn't have life easy, if you think gas & electric prices going up will damage them that much you are very much mistaken.
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We will fight them on the beaches and we will fight them on the meters
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What a fair few seem to be ignoring is the ultimate knock on effects from this. For example many businesses will have to cease to exist if they cannot afford the energy costs - cafes; independent restaurants; SMEs etc resulting in waves of people out of work on a scale much greater than many people would appreciate now which means that even more people will fall into the spiral of debt thus exacerbating the issue further.
My elderly mother is going to struggle with the costs when her current fixed rate ends next year; My adult children who are starting out in careers that may be affected and they may lose their livelihoods overnight as a result of this - me, my energy bills are currently fixed till 2024, but what then - will this be resolved by then? Probably not... I genuinely fear for people I care about and I will do all I can to help them, that doesn't make what is happening acceptable though.
My elderly mother is going to struggle with the costs when her current fixed rate ends next year; My adult children who are starting out in careers that may be affected and they may lose their livelihoods overnight as a result of this - me, my energy bills are currently fixed till 2024, but what then - will this be resolved by then? Probably not... I genuinely fear for people I care about and I will do all I can to help them, that doesn't make what is happening acceptable though.
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"Levelling up"Zlatan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:44 pmWhat a fair few seem to be ignoring is the ultimate knock on effects from this. For example many businesses will have to cease to exist if they cannot afford the energy costs - cafes; independent restaurants; SMEs etc resulting in waves of people out of work on a scale much greater than many people would appreciate now which means that even more people will fall into the spiral of debt thus exacerbating the issue further.
My elderly mother is going to struggle with the costs when her current fixed rate ends next year; My adult children who are starting out in careers that may be affected and they may lose their livelihoods overnight as a result of this - me, my energy bills are currently fixed till 2024, but what then - will this be resolved by then? Probably not... I genuinely fear for people I care about and I will do all I can to help them, that doesn't make what is happening acceptable though.
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‘Battle hardened pensioners’ who bought a house for two ha’pennies and a loaf of bread. The hero complex, predominantly by the boomer generation, never fails to be less than nauseating.
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Switch the gas and electricity off and eat jam butties all winter this could actually be a government policy!Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:40 pmChildren who lived on jam & bread growing up & didn't have life easy, if you think gas & electric prices going up will damage them that much you are very much mistaken.
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A massive shift is needed in the way we use and generate energy worldwide. The government needs a coordinated long term plan to deliver it. Including...
Making electric vehicles more affordable and a national infrastructure of charging points to support them.
A shift away from gas as a means of power generation and as a means of heating homes and businesses.
Reducing air travel to help reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Investment in an all electric powered railway network across Britain.
Investment in solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, wind, nuclear power.
And it all needs to have started in the last century.
Making electric vehicles more affordable and a national infrastructure of charging points to support them.
A shift away from gas as a means of power generation and as a means of heating homes and businesses.
Reducing air travel to help reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Investment in an all electric powered railway network across Britain.
Investment in solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, wind, nuclear power.
And it all needs to have started in the last century.
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All great ideas providing those at the top can cream off their profits from these initiativesmikeS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:51 pmA massive shift is needed in the way we use and generate energy worldwide. The government needs a coordinated long term plan to deliver it. Including...
Making electric vehicles more affordable and a national infrastructure of charging points to support them.
A shift away from gas as a means of power generation and as a means of heating homes and businesses.
Reducing air travel to help reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Investment in an all electric powered railway network across Britain.
Investment in solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, wind, nuclear power.
And it all needs to have started in the last century.
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I suspect air travel and buying an electric vehicle arent priorities for the majority for the forseeable future.mikeS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:51 pmA massive shift is needed in the way we use and generate energy worldwide. The government needs a coordinated long term plan to deliver it. Including...
Making electric vehicles more affordable and a national infrastructure of charging points to support them.
A shift away from gas as a means of power generation and as a means of heating homes and businesses.
Reducing air travel to help reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Investment in an all electric powered railway network across Britain.
Investment in solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, wind, nuclear power.
And it all needs to have started in the last century.
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I've just read that we import only 3% of our gas from Russia. Meantime our cheerleader for net zero and in his own words we'll get rid of gas has been to Ukraine to stand shoulder to shoulder with Zelensky. We do need to get rid of gas but until such time as we have enough of an affordable alternative we will have to pay the price because none of ourpolitical parties will agree to extract our own.
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And mortality rates were far higher than today.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:40 pmChildren who lived on jam & bread growing up & didn't have life easy, if you think gas & electric prices going up will damage them that much you are very much mistaken.
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But where is the electricty going to come from for electric cars? They use Lithium batteries and the biggest producer is The Congo. There, child labour is used to mine it and mining it is damaging to the atmosphere. Then China is a producer as well. So perhaps we need to have a rethink about driving around virtuously in electric cars.mikeS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:51 pmA massive shift is needed in the way we use and generate energy worldwide. The government needs a coordinated long term plan to deliver it. Including...
Making electric vehicles more affordable and a national infrastructure of charging points to support them.
A shift away from gas as a means of power generation and as a means of heating homes and businesses.
Reducing air travel to help reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Investment in an all electric powered railway network across Britain.
Investment in solar, geothermal, wave, tidal, wind, nuclear power.
And it all needs to have started in the last century.
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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:37 amThe government didn't flog off energy storage, they just decided to stop subsidising it.
It would cost more than £3 billion to privatise the energy companies.
You could buy a lorry load of CPE from one of Boris's old school chums for that.
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Jam today instead of jam tomorrow.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:50 pmSwitch the gas and electricity off and eat jam butties all winter this could actually be a government policy!
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I forgot about pensioners and their infamous invulnerability to hypothermia, earned through copious childhood servings of Warbies white bread and raspberry jamJakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:40 pmChildren who lived on jam & bread growing up & didn't have life easy, if you think gas & electric prices going up will damage them that much you are very much mistaken.
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I've just seen on tv an a WORKING Lancashire mother having to use foodbanks. This a scandal of our times.
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Why not? They ******* well bought them for **** all of their value just like all the other privatised public services. Most privatisations were undervalued to encourage sales and the prices shot up quicklt after privatisation. Plenty made plenty during the 80s and early 90s by effectively ripping off the taxpayer.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:01 pmUnited Utilities has market capitalisation of £7.5 billion. The other five, presumably of a similar order. If they are going to be nationalised for £3bn, there will be stock market repercussions big style at the undervalue. Who's going to want to trade on the London Stock Market if the shares can be taken from you at 10% of their value?
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"We were in a war you know"Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:35 pmFood for thought when you get older you struggle to spend money because you don't want for anything everything you already have or don't need, for most people the health is the wealth & everything else is secondary most are only too happen to treat the grandkids & do stuff with them safe in the knowledge happy memories are left behind, this price cap crisis will be a walk in the park to lots of battle hardened pensioners with years of experience in far tougher corners.
Ffs
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Ah but she’s likely, according to this thread, to have had her nails manicured, lips filled, hair done, bags of coke lined up next to her iPhone 13 pro whilst flicking through Netflix, Prime, Disney and SKY.
When she’s come down from her TV and Coke snorting binge, she wonders off to the food-bank to see what she can get Chelsea, Mercedes, Prada and Gucci for their tea, whilst stopping off to get 20 Bensons and 10 lucky dips.
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DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:23 pmAh but she’s likely, according to this thread, to have had her nails manicured, lips filled, hair done, bags of coke lined up next to her iPhone 13 pro whilst flicking through Netflix, Prime, Disney and SKY.
When she’s come down from her TV and Coke snorting binge, she wonders off to the food-bank to see what she can get Chelsea, Mercedes, Prada and Gucci for their tea, whilst stopping off to get 20 Bensons and 10 lucky dips.
Why do people peddle this nonsense
It was an Iphone 14 she had
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People are tweeting Martin Lewis saying essentially what Jakub and Nori have said
They walk amongst us people!
They walk amongst us people!
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I've only said things based on my personal experiencesLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:30 pmPeople are tweeting Martin Lewis saying essentially what Jakub and Nori have said
They walk amongst us people!
If you took the time to read my posts previously on this thread, you will see I have said I worry about some people over the winter.. But, I don't know anyone personally who is, or will struggle this winter
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Neither do I, but I also don't say that my circle will be fine, as I have absolutely no idea how massively increased energy prices will impact themNori1958 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:44 pmI've only said things based on my personal experiences
If you took the time to read my posts previously on this thread, you will see I have said I worry about some people over the winter.. But, I don't know anyone personally who is, or will struggle this winter
I'm pretty confident (unfortunately) that it will affect everyone
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I am absolutely certain the people I refer to will be fine, doesn't mean they don't have concerns about othersLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:47 pmNeither do I, but I also don't say that my circle will be fine, as I have absolutely no idea how massively increased energy prices will impact them
I'm pretty confident (unfortunately) that it will affect everyone
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Doh!claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:28 pmWhy do people peddle this nonsense
It was an Iphone 14 she had
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Let's be clear about this: these companies have failed businesses. If the product they want to supply can only be delivered at a price that people cannot and will not pay because they will not have the means to do so then these companies are bust.
We're going to be bailing out these companies to a massive amount but dressed up as consumer help. Renationalise.
One assumption we're all falling into are prices coming down, one war started, why can't another, plus the ever-increasing effect of climate change and the need to alter the fundamental energy supply structure. The climate crisis is one of energy.
I don't mind paying higher bills for the rest of my life if it means leaving a sustainable future, but right now it's just going into private profits who lobby to resist change while pushing greenwashed Twitter ads.
We're going to be bailing out these companies to a massive amount but dressed up as consumer help. Renationalise.
One assumption we're all falling into are prices coming down, one war started, why can't another, plus the ever-increasing effect of climate change and the need to alter the fundamental energy supply structure. The climate crisis is one of energy.
I don't mind paying higher bills for the rest of my life if it means leaving a sustainable future, but right now it's just going into private profits who lobby to resist change while pushing greenwashed Twitter ads.
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We all do, it is possible to have the personal opinion that everything will be ok & people will be alright & still care about the people that won't be, any sort of positivity or hope that things won't be as bad is mistakenly misconstrued by some people as airbrushing over the problem & not caring, you have to subscribe to the notion that the government don't give a s**t & people will be plunged into poverty for the caring attitude to be portrayed.Nori1958 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:44 pmI've only said things based on my personal experiences
If you took the time to read my posts previously on this thread, you will see I have said I worry about some people over the winter.. But, I don't know anyone personally who is, or will struggle this winter
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Martin Lewis needs taking with a pinch of salt. As highlighted in this thread if you’d ignored some of his advice about fixing you’d be better off. He was on radio this morning to say he didn’t have any answers or ideas. He’s made millions and millions by often not actually knowing that much.
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I've had some good deals over the years following his advice, however recently he's become very shouty, using over the top fear spreading language instead of being a calm level headed advice giver... I think he's become obsessed with his TV character... Very much good morning Britain.Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:15 pmMartin Lewis needs taking with a pinch of salt. As highlighted in this thread if you’d ignored some of his advice about fixing you’d be better off. He was on radio this morning to say he didn’t have any answers or ideas. He’s made millions and millions by often not actually knowing that much.
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I read today he's sending the message out to people to check their sky TV contracts.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/ ... ll-won-t-/
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/ ... ll-won-t-/
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https://moneytothemasses.com/resources/ ... u-eligible
According to this a disabled pensioner with a low income will get £1,500.
An ordinary pensioner like what I is will get £700. That's about £100 less then I will need to pay over the year if my electric and gas bill double, as the Price Cap changes suggest they will.
In addition there is the Pensioner Heating Allowance, of £200 in my case (and £300 for those 80 and over).
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Good luck on getting it nori, i ordered mine last november and told it will be january 2023 now just in time for the energy price increase.Nori1958 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:54 amThat was my understanding, that the electric versions were that much more expensive, it wasn't worth it for immediate savings.
Well worth doing it in your circumstances, though the lack of charging points, and low range of the present vehicles would put me off personally
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Mines not electric.. Ordered in April, delivered 3 weeks ago, I believe waiting lists for electric vehicles are long. Strangely the salesperson never mentioned electric to me, they certainly were not pushing themkendalianclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:33 pmGood luck on getting it nori, i ordered mine last november and told it will be january 2023 now just in time for the energy price increase.
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My rough calculations show that my plug in hybrid will be hardly any cheaper on electricity when plugged in at home, than petrol if the unit price of electricity goes up as predicted. Also petrol prices are still gradually coming down. A cheaper electric rate overnight would help.
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Probably the best post on this thread by a mile.CombatClaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:57 pmLet's be clear about this: these companies have failed businesses. If the product they want to supply can only be delivered at a price that people cannot and will not pay because they will not have the means to do so then these companies are bust.
We're going to be bailing out these companies to a massive amount but dressed up as consumer help. Renationalise.
One assumption we're all falling into are prices coming down, one war started, why can't another, plus the ever-increasing effect of climate change and the need to alter the fundamental energy supply structure. The climate crisis is one of energy.
I don't mind paying higher bills for the rest of my life if it means leaving a sustainable future, but right now it's just going into private profits who lobby to resist change while pushing greenwashed Twitter ads.
Their business models are finished, let them go bust rather than bailing them out and then renationalise the lot.
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I have always been against re- nationalisation .
They used to be money pits of inefficient industry.
France has done it to EDF and it will cost billions.
But I think it’s time we did it with energy in the UK.
They used to be money pits of inefficient industry.
France has done it to EDF and it will cost billions.
But I think it’s time we did it with energy in the UK.
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"Bring it on"
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The problem is the 'product' they're 'supplying' is an essential utility that people need in order to live.CombatClaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:57 pmLet's be clear about this: these companies have failed businesses. If the product they want to supply can only be delivered at a price that people cannot and will not pay because they will not have the means to do so then these companies are bust.
Which does bring into question how such a critical utility was allowed to be sold off and exploited for private profit in the first place, but there we go. We're all Thatcher's children now. Anything and everything is fair game when it comes to making a few quid. Gas, electricity and water are no exception.
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JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:15 pmThe problem is the 'product' they're 'supplying' is an essential utility that people need in order to live. And because it's essential, the state will bail them out.
Which does bring into question how such a critical utility was allowed to be sold off and exploited for private profit in the first place, but there we go. We're all Thatcher's children now. Anything and everything is fair game when it comes to making a few quid. Gas, electricity and water are no exception.
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Rubbish. There are working people baving to.use foodbanks. Why do you think there are food banks? For illegal immigrants. No they're looked after in Premier Inns.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:28 pmWhy do people peddle this nonsense
It was an Iphone 14 she had
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Ah it's Thatchers fault again is it?
Exhausted all the Trump, Brexit and Boris excuses?
We all know who's fault it really is (POTUS)
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Do you think the economic orthodoxy of the last 40 years has delivered good value for customers and tax payers?
If so, feel free to make the case for more of the same.
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So its the fault of the US President?
I'm struggling to see how the problems that have built up over decades in the UK are the fault of someone who has been in charge for two years in another country tbf
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It wouldn't be the POTUS if it was Trump though, would it?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:53 pmSo its the fault of the US President?
I'm struggling to see how the problems that have built up over decades in the UK are the fault of someone who has been in charge for two years in another country tbf
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A good measure of the problems you are referring to would be to look at energy price rises over the past 40 years, and compare them to the rises we have seen in the last 2 yearsLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:53 pmSo its the fault of the US President?
I'm struggling to see how the problems that have built up over decades in the UK are the fault of someone who has been in charge for two years in another country tbf
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Go back and read my posts - it’s not often I’ll resort to name calling but in this instance, having been called a ****, **** off you bell end!
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