Is Dyche still on Burnley's wage bill?

[aggi]

or someone with vast experience of working with lawyers and accountants who would have access to a team that are paid to protect the club and board. Those people would have the required knowledge of the law.

It's a good point. No way would Dyche have been able to afford a lawyer to contest it.

[clarethomer]

It's a good point. No way would Dyche have been able to afford a lawyer to contest it.

Hence why I believe a compromise agreement would be in place if there is any truth to this AND why a lot of companies with senior people end up using these types of agreements just so they can move on and not have to get involved in a legal battle.

[Lowbankclaret]

I said it was opinion.

Why bother compromising - I have explained that in my response and many senior/high earning people in business are often moved on this way and its positioned that it was their choice to move on, or that they have decided they want a new challenge.

They do something that the employer doesn't like and just want rid. Clear gross misconduct may not have taken place but there is enough for trust to be lost and therefore the best and cleanest way to get someone out of the business is through a compromise agreement.

AP could have had enough to terminate the contract but risk any of the following happening:

1 - SD public termination generates media frenzy and puts spotlight on the club at a time they would rather be focused on staying up.
2 - SD ends up in a legal process which again is cost/time and effort that they don't want/need.
3 - Commercial implications of this could have had unintended consequences for the club.

So what would typically happen is a conversation would take place and they would position that SD no longer has a future with the club and the reasons for this are whatever they have on him.

They would then explain that they have 2 ways to do this. One is the way that is difficult - explaining that they will announce that they have terminated his contract and would have to report potential breaches of regulations etc. This clearly impacts the club and the team and they would prefer not to do this.

The other way is that we sack you for underperformance and you can go with none of this being in the public domain. In return for us keeping this confidential, you leave and waive your right to full payment of your contract. This way you stand a good chance of getting a job based on what you have achieved and a solid reputation.

The problem with my opinion is that if there was any truth in it, ,no one will ever be able to confirm this based on the fact that the agreement is in place.

Re - Everton.

There was a lot of discussions going on about Moshiri selling his stake in Everton. Their alleged discussions with Everton, may not have been for him to go that season etc. It could have been sounding him out about going if they went down, or if a new owner came in. It could have even been part of the compromise agreement that made it difficult/impossible for him to take a job there for a period of time.

I don't believe a penny wont have been paid to him if this was true. However, it would be plausible that we are not liable for anywhere near what would have been due had we just sacked him for no other reason.

Again it's all opinion and more trying to offer that just because something hasn't happened, or been said publicly it doesn't mean something hasn't happened.

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

[clarethomer]

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

Interesting. My experience of compromise agreements is that there is usually a payment. The guy who was telling a group of us about the Everton thing also said we haven't given him a penny either so it seems consistent if that is true.

Just for clarity - I genuinely have no clue what has happened or how true any of this is - My explanations have been more to help explain how compromise agreements can work to help those people not familiar with them to better understand how it is possible that all of this could have happened and none of it be in the public domain.

It does make me question how someone has found out. Perhaps someone close enough but not directly involed has said something. Can't imagine its in the interest of either the club or SD to have had this known publicly.

[Lowbankclaret]

Interesting. My experience of compromise agreements is that there is usually a payment. The guy who was telling a group of us about the Everton thing also said we haven't given him a penny either so it seems consistent if that is true.

Just for clarity - I genuinely have no clue what has happened or how true any of this is - My explanations have been more to help explain how compromise agreements can work to help those people not familiar with them to better understand how it is possible that all of this could have happened and none of it be in the public domain.

It does make me question how someone has found out. Perhaps someone close enough but not directly involed has said something. Can't imagine its in the interest of either the club or SD to have had this known publicly.

Cannot say where the info comes from as he/she/it would be sacked.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Lowbank you once claimed you’d been invited to training by Steve Cotterill, told a story about it that was proved completely false.
Why would people believe you on this?

[Middle-agedClaret]

I’d be surprised if anyone on here knew details of an individual contract of employment.
I’d be even more surprised were they to share such details.

Having read some of the nonsense on here, I’m even more certain of what I said originally.
Happy Christmas, one and all.

[Paul Waine]

It's a good point. No way would Dyche have been able to afford a lawyer to contest it.

Hi aggi, I think the law requires that the employer pays for the employee to receive independent legal advice before a compromise agreement is signed. Without this the compromise agreement would be unenforceable and the employer is at risk of unfair dismissal claim.

However, I don't know how this works for someone paid as much as Sean Dyche is reported to have been.

[Bosscat]

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

Wow .... who'da thought it ... I must remember to ask Alan about it when he pops in for pre-dinner drinks tomorrow evening ...

[TheFamilyCat]

Right, so we've two supposed acts of gross misconduct doing the rounds. Surely that's enough to tell the tinfoil hat brigade that it's ********. Unless you believe both of them.

[ksrclaret]

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

Well, at least you’ll keep your legal team busy in the New Year.

[Lowbankclaret]

Lowbank you once claimed you’d been invited to training by Steve Cotterill, told a story about it that was proved completely false.
Why would people believe you on this?

Why was that not true.
SC told the left back Steve Jordan not to let the winger go inside.
If he did then the winger would put the ball in the top left.
He even told the beast where it would go.
I was a few rows back from the top of the goals.

Jordan even held his hands on his head when it went in as he knew he had been told what to do.

[Lowbankclaret]

Lowbank you once claimed you’d been invited to training by Steve Cotterill, told a story about it that was proved completely false.
Why would people believe you on this?

I would love to to find the goal clip.

[Gerry Hattrick]

Cannot say where the info comes from as he/she/it would be sacked.

Ah, Christmas Eve and a nice cryptic clue. Gotta be Lapland and Santa Claus.
Sounds about as credible.

[fatboy47]

Seems a bit mental to award a lucrative 4 year contract only to give him the boot very shortly afterwards. Well before we were relegated and a manager so clearly qualified to bring us back up should the worst happen.

. Even the richest clubs hate having to do this....let alone a club run on such tight financial lines as ours. So for that reason I struggle to accept the official version at face value.
Dyche's inability to secure a position elsewhere though, suggests that maybe other clubs know stuff we don't, but I can assure you that good investigative hacks have been all over the situation and found nothing publishable other than the official version of events.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Cannot say where the info comes from as he/she/it would be sacked.

Is it legally and physically possible to sack your backend?

[Bosscat]

Is it legally and physically possible to sack your backend?

Just got it

[Bordeauxclaret]

Why was that not true.
SC told the left back Steve Jordan not to let the winger go inside.
If he did then the winger would put the ball in the top left.
He even told the beast where it would go.
I was a few rows back from the top of the goals.

Jordan even held his hands on his head when it went in as he knew he had been told what to do.

You were called out on it on this thread.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... g&start=50

[IanMcL]

Saw SD on Sky Sports Manure game.
He's still unemployed and doesn't appear to be putting himself out there for a job.
So, does anyone know if he has had a full settlement from us or is he still on wages as per his contract?

Title - Mr Dyche

[Darnhill Claret]

I heard that SD was clear second choice after Beale and if Beale had not signed, SD would have been offered the job. I do not know if SD had a formal sit down interview but he did let Rangers know that he was interested in the job.

[Vegas Claret]

American CEOs with a finance background are very savvy when it comes to U.K. employment law are they? Or are you making stuff up as you go along?

it is incredibly difficult to dismiss staff in most states in the US, it is not a straightforward procedure - in fact it can be a very long winded and complicated procedure. Him and his lawyers will be 100% clued up about the UK law, of that there is zero doubt

[Big Vinny K]

You were called out on it on this thread.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... g&start=50

Well that was an entertaining 10 minutes reading that old thread back !!
Burnley’s very own Walter Mitty

[SouthLondonexile]

I don’t know. I suppose I could have made a freedom of information request on the subject if I had remained a shareholder.
Sacked Managers tend to get paid off. Normal rules of dismissal should apply.
Anyway I wish all our contributors on here a merry Christmas.‍

[It Is What It Is]

Title - Mr Dyche

A bit woke that!!

[jojomk1]

But he's also talked very positively about Pace since. Not the words of someone sacked under such (potentially contentious) circumstances.

A lot of people get summarily dismissed, but for confidentiality on both sides they agree to some sort of limited pay off including a non-disclosure agreement

[TheFamilyCat]

A lot of people get summarily dismissed, but for confidentiality on both sides they agree to some sort of limited pay off including a non-disclosure agreement

Yes, bought I doubt those agreements state "blow smoke up the arses of those who sacked you".

[Walkerpool]

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

It wasn't a player he was on a night out with a ex-player from another club

[Stayingup]

No one has any evidence.

Just think back how fast it all happened, and how unusual it was.

Believe it or not, it’s fine. But that’s what I understand has happened.

Just a pointer, Americans are very savvy when it comes to employment law.

Maybe in USA, but thank God this is not USA.

He had just signed a very lucrative three year contract and I expect the club will honour that.

[Jamesy]

My opinion the best manager the club as ever had it’s not is fault he is still getting payed from the club merry Christmas everybody and utc

I would say Harry Potts was the best manager we have had in my lifetime but Dyche is definitely second best. Merry Christmas to all fellow Clarets.

[IanMcL]

A bit woke that!!

No. Just respect for someone who has set our club on a path of success, against all odds.

[aggi]

It wasn't a player he was on a night out with a ex-player from another club

I heard it was after Danny Drinkwater went after Dyche's wife.

[Greenmile]

I don’t know. I suppose I could have made a freedom of information request on the subject if I had remained a shareholder...

You couldn’t. FoI requests can only be made to public bodies.

[Bosscat]

You couldn’t. FoI requests can only be made to public bodies.

Ah but is Southlondonexile a public body ... they might be

[Bosscat]

Ah but is Southlondonexile a public body ... they might be

Only joking exile or do you show your body in public

[Greenmile]

Ah but is Southlondonexile a public body ... they might be

I know this is a joke, but the pedant in me means I have to point out that you’ve confused “to” with “by”.

[Bosscat]

I know this is a joke, but the pedant in me means I have to point out that you’ve confused “to” with “by”.

Oh dear bah humbug no I confused nowt Greenmile or is it Grinch ...

[LoveCurryPies]

He was sacked for gross misconduct, is not getting paid and not getting a settlement.

I would of thought this sort of statement was libellous.

[Shaggy]

No. Just respect for someone who has set our club on a path of success, against all odds.

To be fair Owen Coyle did a superb job getting us into the premier league with the power of his BS. It was certainly the start of our upward stint.

[Bosscat]

To be fair Owen Coyle did a superb job getting us into the premier league with the power of his BS. It was certainly the start of our upward stint.

Yeah till he dumped us for that Club 10 yrs ahead of us

[ClaretFelix]

It’s my understanding that SD had a bust up /assaulted a player in training. Pace used it to get out of the situation. Hence no payouts.

I too have heard this. The player in question is no longer at the club either

[Shaggy]

Yeah till he dumped us for that Club 10 yrs ahead of us

Oh tell me about it. I know he’s a dirty bead rattler and all that , but it was that first promotion under his stewardship which gave us the chance and resources (take the money and run ) to be where we are today. Without Coyle and Dare I say it Howe’s purchases there would have been no Dyche success.

[IanMcL]

I think you forget that Mr D had us in the prem with entirely different players.

[IanMcL]

It's a good point. No way would Dyche have been able to afford a lawyer to contest it.

He is a member of the managers union.

[Shaggy]

I think you forget that Mr D had us in the prem with entirely different players.

If you understand the point being mr D wouldn’t have had those players if it wasn’t for Coyle, Howe and Laws.

[IanMcL]

If you understand the point being mr D wouldn’t have had those players if it wasn’t for Coyle, Howe and Laws.

You can say that about any manager. There is always a starting point. Ours was quite a low one, leaguewise and players continued to be sold. MR D made free signings which made a huge difference and the paid signings added to that.

[agreenwood]

Lowbank you once claimed you’d been invited to training by Steve Cotterill, told a story about it that was proved completely false.
Why would people believe you on this?

Didn’t Lowbank also relay some bullshit about Scott Twine’s absence he later had to admit was wrong?

[2 Bee Holed]

Cannot say where the info comes from as he/she/it would be sacked.

How do you sack an 'it' ?

[northeastclaret]

The truth is confirmed and intimated by a number of people not least by Ben Mee and I heard from another senior player , not Jay that Mee went to Pace on behalf of a lot of the senior players to say they were not happy with Dyche and his two main coaches and that some including Cork and Jay would not sign another contract if Dyche and his immediate coaching team stayed.

I would assume when Pace offered Dyche his new contract like us he wasn’t aware of any of this information and like us was delighted when Dyche signed a new contract to give the club what he thought was some stability after the takeover.

[warksclaret]

The truth is confirmed and intimated by a number of people not least by Ben Mee and I heard from another senior player , not Jay that Mee went to Pace on behalf of a lot of the senior players to say they were not happy with Dyche and his two main coaches and that some including Cork and Jay would not sign another contract if Dyche and his immediate coaching team stayed.

I would assume when Pace offered Dyche his new contract like us he wasn’t aware of any of this information and like us was delighted when Dyche signed a new contract to give the club what he thought was some stability after the takeover.

Having listened to Ben Mee's podcast and listen to his comments about SD I can fully believe it .The Chairman's statement on his departure was very short and factual-very strange when you see his achievements , that there were no emotive thanks and gratitude. Its also strange that having managed us for a decade, and in history books a legend,that no one player publicly said anything positive about Dyche. For those remaining the culture created by VK must be like a breath of fresh air

[northeastclaret]

Having listened to Ben Mee's podcast and listen to his comments about SD I can fully believe it .The Chairman's statement on his departure was very short and factual-very strange when you see his achievements , that there were no emotive thanks and gratitude. Its also strange that having managed us for a decade, and in history books a legend,that no one player publicly said anything positive about Dyche. For those remaining the culture created by VK must be like a breath of fresh air

Good points , I was still like you surprised that none of the senior players said the usual platitudes when a manager leaves particularly since he was responsible for so many having good careers in the premier league. Morale must really have been very low .