Weghorst to… Man United?

[2 Bee Holed]

Why a new thread?

Because, if you think about it, it's a completely different topic to the 'Weghorst to Man Utd' thread.

[BurnleyFC]

It’d be fairly humorous if the Man United deal falls through and Besiktas are left with a sulking Weghorst for the rest of the season.

[Spijed]

I'm almost certain that Weghorst will have entered into a contract with Besiktas, he's effectively under their employment, working at their place of work and representing their brand etc. That said I'm no employment lawyer.

Presumably players' contracts include a termination fee, if Wout decides to walk away from Burnley for example he would need to compensate Burnley. What happens if he decides to walk away from his loan agreement at Besiktas? I expect in this case he would be breaking the terms of his contact with Burnley but without an agreement with Besiktas there is nothing to protect them.

I doubt players could just pay up a contract and walk out of a club otherwise that would be a way for teams to avoid paying transfer fees. They'd just persuade a player to leave one team by pay up their contract. I doubt that's legal in any way.

[bobinho]

Most pointless 'Look at Me' and listen to my opinion thread in a long time

Look closely…. There’s another.

[bobinho]

But what if we want him for the PL?

I would say that this is now an impossibility. Won’t see him in our shirt again.

[Flying Without Ings]

I would say that this is now an impossibility. Won’t see him in our shirt again.

I don't think Kompany wants him which doesn't surprise me given his age, attitude etc. If he did, I'm sure there would've been articles or comments to that effect.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Of course the nonsense written about him being a bad apple for wanting to go to Man Utd should also be taken into account when we are interested in a player. Any player that is at another club and we show an interest in should be avoided if he expresses a wish to join us as he is clearly a bad apple also.

It's like reading comments from dumped immature teenagers at times

This could be a extract from Harry’s book…….

Is part of a Premier family, but finds himself as spare to requirements. Sulks.
Arranges a move to another country. Gets himself noticed on the World stage. Sulks.
Looks for a way back to a Premier family. Finds his way blocked. Sulks.

[RVclaret]

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Fabrizio Romano latest…

[1882Clarets1882]

This could be a extract from Harry’s book…….

Is part of a Premier family, but finds himself as spare to requirements. Sulks.
Arranges a move to another country. Gets himself noticed on the World stage. Sulks.
Looks for a way back to a Premier family. Finds his way blocked. Sulks.

Just hope WW doesn't wind up on the Talibans most wanted list !

[1882Clarets1882]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/stat ... BDIbhSy5Eg

Fabrizio Romano latest…

"Both parties onfident" sounds promising.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Just hope WW doesn't wind up on the Talibans most wanted list !

… or that his todger gets frostbite in Manchester.

[boatshed bill]

The compensation Wout will have said he will pay will be the rest of his loan fee for 6 months, whether he can do that is a different matter.

Isn't he from a very wealthy family?

[Stayingup]

And how many of our current squad do you think wouldn’t want to leave for Man United?

The question you might ask is how many of our current squad would Man U want? They appear to want this chap.

[gandhisflipflop]

I said on another topic about this guy that I wouldn't want him back anytime soon and a few posters I remember saying that they would I wonder if they have changed their minds now after he wants to cut short is loan move to want a move to Man Utd on loan . I just hope Pace can get the best deal for our club and get rid of him as he's a bad apple In my eyes. UTC

Genuine question. What has he done that is so wrong?

[IWOODLOVETT]

Isn't he from a very wealthy family?

Who? Harry or Wout ??

[boatshed bill]

Who? Harry or Wout ??

Both

[tally]

Just that he seems to be a mercenary if you get my drift?

[Clive 1960]

Genuine question. What has he done that is so wrong?

Wanted to leave as he thought is world cup chance would go if he played in the championship and then he ends up at a club in all honesty we would probably beat. Also the way he reacted when we played Watford to being subbed . I just hope that we get a good money from it to bolster our team for our next challenge the premiership.

[1882Clarets1882]

… or that his todger gets frostbite in Manchester.

Looking out the window today it's more likely to get water logged.

[Burnley Ace]

I think we we need to get over the myths from the Watford game! He wasn’t happy he was subbed? Good. He looked at the goal on an iPad rather shuffling along the back row to get out of the dug out and jump around? Not a problem really.

[NRC]

I said on another topic about this guy that I wouldn't want him back anytime soon and a few posters I remember saying that they would I wonder if they have changed their minds now after he wants to cut short is loan move to want a move to Man Utd on loan . I just hope Pace can get the best deal for our club and get rid of him as he's a bad apple In my eyes. UTC

To answer the OP I was one of them definitely in the “get him back asap” çamp. Have I changed my mind? No, it’s even more affirmed. Let’s be clear about this Weghorst saga
- the club were smart enough to recognize his talents AND get him to come to us
- he and his agent were smart enough to protect his interests should we get relegated
- a year down the line one of the biggest clubs in the world wants to loan/acquire him

And yet quite a sizable pitchfork-carrying set of UTC village peasants continue to not just never see him play for us again, but chase him out. And we wonder why others think we’re Dingles. I will not be joining you by picking up a spare pitchfork and edging him to the village boundary, i’ll be sat in the village hostelry, looking out onto the scene of the village idiots like you running around, spinning yourselves into a frenzy, fueled by imaginary scent of bad eggs in your flared nostrils

[Goalposts]

Apparently if you believe the press, Wout has offered to pay besiktas himself the rumoured $3-4m euros to get out of the loan deal

[claret2018]

When was the last time a championship side loaned an outfield player to a premier league team?

[dsr]

Just that he seems to be a mercenary if you get my drift?

All footballers are mercenaries. The number who would stay at a Championship side when Manchester United want them, is very few if not none.

[Ric_C]

When was the last time a championship side loaned an outfield player to a premier league team?

Ighalo?

[Rileybobs]

I doubt players could just pay up a contract and walk out of a club otherwise that would be a way for teams to avoid paying transfer fees. They'd just persuade a player to leave one team by pay up their contract. I doubt that's legal in any way.

I'm not necessarily suggesting that players can just pay up a contract, but Wout could quit his job, or refuse to return to Turkey. He would then presumably be in breach of his employment contract and would I expect face legal action resulting in financial compensation to Besiktas. Obviously this is quite extreme, and I imagine all parties would be keen to involve such a situation, particularly as there would be issues with who holds the players registration - so it would be in everyone's interest to come to a financial settlement.

[NRC]

[quote=CrosspoolClarets post_id=1991819 time=1673340349 user_id=739
but imagine those United fans, you think you follow the world’s best team and your main target is a guy who couldn’t get in the Burnley team at the end of last season. Quite astonishing how far that club has fallen. Their fans are lapping it up too (for now), sounding like they are loving this loan, I find it all rather amusing.
[/quote]

Alternately, the analysts at Manchester United are sensible enough to focus on the player’s attributes, and put any failure to catch the Burnley team as saying more about Burnley than it is about the player

[Clive 1960]

To answer the OP I was one of them definitely in the “get him back asap” çamp. Have I changed my mind? No, it’s even more affirmed. Let’s be clear about this Weghorst saga
- the club were smart enough to recognize his talents AND get him to come to us
- he and his agent were smart enough to protect his interests should we get relegated
- a year down the line one of the biggest clubs in the world wants to loan/acquire him

And yet quite a sizable pitchfork-carrying set of UTC village peasants continue to not just never see him play for us again, but chase him out. And we wonder why others think we’re Dingles. I will not be joining you by picking up a spare pitchfork and edging him to the village boundary, i’ll be sat in the village hostelry, looking out onto the scene of the village idiots like you running around, spinning yourselves into a frenzy, fueled by imaginary scent of bad eggs in your flared nostrils

Listen he's employed by our football club and is attitude stinks in my view especially what he did at Watford when subbed and not cheering is team mate's when we scored , no wonder is team mate's had a go at him , I want players pulling together and not have one who couldn't give a toss because written in is contract said he could leave if we get relegated and that's why in my view he had no future with us and will be sold so we can buy a striker who wants to be a part of the team.

[gandhisflipflop]

Wanted to leave as he thought is world cup chance would go if he played in the championship and then he ends up at a club in all honesty we would probably beat. Also the way he reacted when we played Watford to being subbed . I just hope that we get a good money from it to bolster our team for our next challenge the premiership.

His manager said he had to be playing in a top division to get into the World Cup squad. He was up front about that. The Watford game maybe he was frustrated with his own performance? Or the way the team was playing? It’s one game. What he he done to warrant such a reaction from Burnley fans?

[Clive 1960]

His manager said he had to be playing in a top division to get into the World Cup squad. He was up front about that. The Watford game maybe he was frustrated with his own performance? Or the way the team was playing? It’s one game. What he he done to warrant such a reaction from Burnley fans?

Ask Roberts why he reacted to him like he did .

[gandhisflipflop]

Ask Roberts why he reacted to him like he did .

I think you’re reading too much into things. He is a good player, and would be good in this system. He will never get to find out, but some fans need to take their claret glasses off in my opinion where wout is concerned. It’s odd.

[superdimitri]

His manager said he had to be playing in a top division to get into the World Cup squad. He was up front about that. The Watford game maybe he was frustrated with his own performance? Or the way the team was playing? It’s one game. What he he done to warrant such a reaction from Burnley fans?

Made the same points here before but he has become a scapegoat for our relegation by many fans on here.

His attitude contrary to what people think was excellent at his time here.

[Big Vinny K]

His manager said he had to be playing in a top division to get into the World Cup squad. He was up front about that. The Watford game maybe he was frustrated with his own performance? Or the way the team was playing? It’s one game. What he he done to warrant such a reaction from Burnley fans?

The championship is a top division compared to the Dutch league !!

He got brought off against Watford and then was sat there reading the programme when the rest of the team were celebrating us scoring in what was a massive game. I can see why that could have caused some fans to question his attitude. Put this together with his comments after we got relegated and the speed he left and you can see why he may not be to some fans liking.

Personally I don’t know how much of this is true - none of us do really - but I can see both sides.
What you cannot doubt though is that irrespective of whether he has done or said some things which are misplaced or could have at least been dealt with better that if an opportunity like joining United comes up playing for a manager who he is familiar with then I doubt any player would not try his very best to make the deal happen. Beskitas always feels like a club that players go to for a few months to get their career back on track - they seem to be happy to cover short term decent wages. I doubt Weghorst came to the Premier League thinking he would end up in Turkey so would jump at the chance of getting back here but for it to be United who are looking at him must be his wildest dreams come true.

[gandhisflipflop]

The championship is a top division compared to the Dutch league !!

I don’t disagree, however only one man’s opinion counted at the time, and that was Louis Van Gaal.

[welsbyswife]

His manager said he had to be playing in a top division to get into the World Cup squad. He was up front about that. The Watford game maybe he was frustrated with his own performance? Or the way the team was playing? It’s one game. What he he done to warrant such a reaction from Burnley fans?

I don't think there has been "such a reaction" from Burnley fans. It's probably about 8 or 9 people on here making a big deal about it. Most are more pragmatic and realise things aren't as straightforward as all that.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Thinking back to that Michael Jackson era, where I do have some sympathy for Weghorst is he started off well (albeit only scoring once), but had three partners, first Jay, who got injured, then Vydra, who got injured, then Barnes, who he didn’t gel with so he got dropped.

We had a whole host of unlucky “if only” moments, as did he.

Obviously as an impact sub for 20 minutes he may do OK for United even though it remains odd why they cannot do better.

[ClaretPete001]

It's being reported in the media that he had issues in the Burnley dressing room. There were rumours of issues at Wolfsburg.

I read the Wolfsburg forums when he was first signed and there were comments on there about his attitude. There was the incident at Watford and the incident with Connor Roberts.

There is enough evidence to suggest WW was a problem for those who repeat the view not be dismissed as village idiots even if you disagree and think he would be a good asset to the team.

Personally, I think he is one of those strikers who would score a hatful in the Championship but not in the PL.

My guess is that he will be valued by Ten Hag as a Plan B and for his pressing statistics.

I think he would be a good signing for United they are a counter attacking team but have players with world class pace and skill. Who knows Ten Haag probably knows of him and may know how to handle him better than others have done.

Personally, I thought he was a poor fit for us and looked ordinary but he has scored everywhere else.

[Sausage]

When was the last time a championship side loaned an outfield player to a premier league team?

We loaned Glen Little to Bolton in 2003.

[Matt_Whalley]

He was also mouthy in the WC QF resulting in Messi telling him "shut up bobo (stupid boy)."

Plenty of incidents to suggest he's a difficult personality.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Robert’s is a fiercely proud Welshman and feelings were high at the end of an important match where Weghorst had just produced a winning goal. I think Robert’s reaction would have been the same if any of his Burnley teammates had scored a late winner against his beloved Wales.

[Claret Toni]

Not sure Burnley are in a strong position here,

Options seem to be:

Stays at Besiktas, good attitude, scores plenty Besiktas take up buy option.
Stays at Besktas, poor attitude, not wanted by Besiktas, returns to Burnley, where he doesn't fit system and difficult to move on.
Goes to MUFC, does well attracts a lot of interest, Besiktas take up buy option and resell to highest bidder.
Goes to MUFC, does not do well, does interview with Piers Morgan, terminates all contracts by mutual consent and gets mega deal with Middle East team that no-ones ever heard of, alternatively returns to Burnley, where he doesn't fit system and difficult to move on.

[dsr]

If a layer terminates his contract without mutual consent, ie. unilaterally, FIFA will ban him from all football.

[claret2018]

Ighalo?

I did think that but he was loaned to Utd from Shanghai

[keith1879]

To answer the OP I was one of them definitely in the “get him back asap” çamp. Have I changed my mind? No, it’s even more affirmed. Let’s be clear about this Weghorst saga
- the club were smart enough to recognize his talents AND get him to come to us
- he and his agent were smart enough to protect his interests should we get relegated
- a year down the line one of the biggest clubs in the world wants to loan/acquire him

And yet quite a sizable pitchfork-carrying set of UTC village peasants continue to not just never see him play for us again, but chase him out. And we wonder why others think we’re Dingles. I will not be joining you by picking up a spare pitchfork and edging him to the village boundary, i’ll be sat in the village hostelry, looking out onto the scene of the village idiots like you running around, spinning yourselves into a frenzy, fueled by imaginary scent of bad eggs in your flared nostrils

Brilliantly put.

[evensteadiereddie]

He was also mouthy in the WC QF resulting in Messi telling him "shut up bobo (stupid boy)."

Plenty of incidents to suggest he's a difficult personality.

Interesting how Weghorst is adjudged to be "mouthy" when reacting to some of Messi's petulance yet Roberts is " a proud Welshman" when he yaps at Weghorst....

[boatshed bill]

Apparently if you believe the press, Wout has offered to pay besiktas himself the rumoured $3-4m euros to get out of the loan deal

Did we do it with Glen Little?

[KRBFC]

Interesting how Weghorst is adjudged to be "mouthy" when reacting to some of Messi's petulance yet Roberts is " a proud Welshman" when he yaps at Weghorst....

Like the Argentinian players were angels, disgusting team especially in that game.

[boatshed bill]

Did we do it with Glen Little?

HaHa, just read through and have seen a post confirming that we did loan Little to Bolton.

As far as this deal goes I'd say he (WW) is Besiktas's problem now... see how they try to resolve the situation. No chance we should be paying any compensation.

[Burnley Ace]

The championship is a top division compared to the Dutch league !!

He got brought off against Watford and then was sat there reading the programme when the rest of the team were celebrating us scoring in what was a massive game.

He was not reading a programme, why are you perpetuating this lie? He reached forward, to the seat in front, and watched the goal again on an I-pad. He’s a professional footballer not a fan boy!!

[dougcollins]

When does his contract with us run out?