Nottingham

[claretwardy88]

Serious incident ongoing in Nottingham right now, media blackout currently. Hope all are safe

[Newcastleclaret93]

The Twitter rumours about what’s happening are all over the place.

I hope it’s not as bad the stuff being said on Twitter

[claretwardy88]

Agreed lots of rumours but I sadly feel it's something very bad, based on 0 usual twitter videos, first hand accounts ect, total blackout

[4midable]

Never seen an officer in NILO outfit before. Is that serious

[claretwardy88]

Now multiple sources (unconfirmed) saying multiple dead and manhunt ongoing. Tragic

[Hurstwood_Claret]

Never seen an officer in NILO outfit before. Is that serious

Yes very serious.

[claretwardy88]

Yeah they were set up after the Manchester arena attack, very serious

[LordBob]

Serious incident ongoing in Nottingham right now, media blackout currently. Hope all are safe

I expect a blackout on this site soon it's one of those Ostrich head in the sand events

[agreenwood]

In what way is there a blackout? It’s live on BBC and Sky news?

[AlargeClaret]

Notts police just announced “ 3 dead , 1 man arrested “ . And didn’t add anything else .

[Goddy]

Well, it's a bit weird round here, right now (I'm in West Bridgford). Streets quiet etc

I do wonder if this started yesterday. I was on the bus into town in the early evening, yesterday. Bus driver told everyone to get off the bus as we got to on the edge of the city centre. He'd been radioed to do this. All a bit strange.

I believe it's a number of streets that are closed in a number of areas around the city (and not just the city centre). I've heard Hysen Green, Mapperley have streets closed.

Again, not sure if it's linked but the internet here is dropping in and out all the time.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Notts police just announced “ 3 dead , 1 man arrested “ . And didn’t add anything else .

It mentioned that there are more in hospital after being run over

[AlargeClaret]

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[4midable]

3 dead. 2 locations
Gunshots
Somebody trying to run people over
Man arrested

Mental

[TsarBomba]

The concern at the moment is if there are any other suspects outstanding, and if it is part of a wider plot.

[bfcjg]

Just horrendous shocking bews, yet again these sorts of incidents are happening on our streets whilst the powers that be seem more and more intent on feathering their own nests, whilst spending am extraordinary amout of time and effort ensuring the only legislation they care about is not offending anybody.
Death penalty must be introduced, nothing else is working in the UK.

[Spijed]

Just horrendous shocking bews, yet again these sorts of incidents are happening on our streets whilst the powers that be seem more and more intent on feathering their own nests, whilst spending am extraordinary amout of time and effort ensuring the only legislation they care about is not offending anybody.
Death penalty must be introduced, nothing else is working in the UK.

Hardly a deterrent in America where mass killings happen regularly.

[Rowls]

Hardly a deterrent in America where mass killings happen regularly.

It works very effectively as a deterrent in terms of repeat offending.

[fatboy47]

Yeah, let's adopt USA policies. The yanks are all over this murder lark.

[bfcjg]

Yeah yeah yeah let's say it doesn't work in America, in America any idiot can buy a gun, in our country we just do sod all apart from ensure murderers have the same human rights if not more then victims.

[martin_p]

It works very effectively as a deterrent in terms of repeat offending.

So does life imprisonment.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah yeah yeah let's say it doesn't work in America, in America any idiot can buy a gun, in our country we just do sod all apart from ensure murderers have the same human rights if not more then victims.

The whole idea of human rights is that everyone has them - its not selective

[PlasticClaret]

I tried to glean some information from twitter but the results from searching "Nottingham" are filled with people being giddy about the race of the alleged killer.

[fatboy47]

And out come the trogs.

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

Hardly a deterrent in America where mass killings happen regularly.

Maybe a lot more would happen without it given the amount of fire arms held

[Lancasterclaret]

I tried to glean some information from twitter but the results from searching "Nottingham" are filled with people being giddy about the race of the alleged killer.

its absolutely useless now as an info source, as every weirdo has bought a blue tick and automatically zoom to the top of the search

Either Musk is a complete idiot or destroying Twitter as a huge, not for profit information source for all was his game all along

[taio]

The whole idea of human rights is that everyone has them - its not selective

It is selective for prisoners in that there are limitations or in some instances removal of aspects

[PlasticClaret]

Maybe a lot more would happen without it given the amount of fire arms held

You can fact check me on this but in the US I believe death penalty states have higher murder rates than non-death penalty states.

[Jel]

So does life imprisonment.

If life was for life, then I may believe it

[PlasticClaret]

Agreed. So which is the more 'humane'?

To swiftly dispatch somebody who has no place in society and no chance of rehabilitation or keep them locked up like a caged animal and deny them liberty, at great cost to the taxpayer, for the rest of their days.

There's a debate to be had with merit on both sides, but it's a debate that isn't ever had in the public sphere and the general public haven't ever been allowed to have their say on it.

It doesn't work, it's more expensive than imprisonment, and you can't reverse mistakes.

But my favourite argument against it is to simple ask, "do you really trust the government enough to kill it's own people?"

[Lancasterclaret]

It is selective for prisoners in that there are limitations or in some instances removal of aspects

Good point, but I think we can agree we should all have human rights as a start point?

[taio]

Good point, but I think we can agree we should all have human rights as a start point?

Yes of course but imprisonment rightly means there are limitations

[Rowls]

It doesn't work, it's more expensive than imprisonment, and you can't reverse mistakes.

But my favourite argument against it is to simple ask, "do you really trust the government enough to kill it's own people?"

It works very effectively. A skilled British hangman could dispatch a condemned man in under a minute. It is far cheaper than imprisonment.

It isn't "the government" who executes. The decision is taken by the judiciary. The work would be carried out be a skilled hangman.

The issue of doubt in cases of guilt is a genuine aspect of the debate but it isn't present in each and every case. One of the best reasons for abolishing the death penalty was that many judges were scared to impose the death penalty out of fear of doubt.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yes of course but imprisonment rightly means there are limitations

Of course (well, again, there are probably a few ways that do that that are controversial!)

[Swizzlestick]

Thread's deviated into a rather pointless debate - it will, thankfully, never be re-introduced in this country.

Condolences to all those affected in Nottingham.

[taio]

Of course (well, again, there are probably a few ways that do that that are controversial!)

Not really. Well balanced in my view.

[ecc]

Thread's deviated into a rather pointless debate - it will, thankfully, never be re-introduced in this country.

Condolences to all those affected in Nottingham.

Let's stick to the grim facts and think about the family and friends of the victims and the people of Nottingham.

[Rowls]

Thread's deviated into a rather pointless debate - it will, thankfully, never be re-introduced in this country.

Condolences to all those affected in Nottingham.

It's a legitimate debate.

Not something I'm especially fussed about but the idea that it should be "off limits" or that one side of the debate is "correct" or "nice" and the other "wrong" or "nasty" is something that needs challenging.

It's about the pros and cons of each position and both sides have pros and cons.

[ecc]

You can't just show respect and start up another thread, can you?

[Rowls]

You can't just show respect and start up another thread, can you?

I think the chances of bereaved relatives reading this thread are very, very slim. Obviously, our sympathies lie with the poor victims and the bereaved but this isn't an "RIP" thread, it's a thread about the incident as a whole.

[Falcon]

Capital punishment is something largely used only in countries like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

The civilised world has rightly discarded this horrible practise (with one very notable exception).

Why would we want to slide back into medieval punishments like that, which don't even work as a deterrent.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Capital punishment is something largely used only in countries like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

The civilised world has rightly discarded this horrible practise (with one very notable exception).

Why would we want to slide back into medieval punishments like that, which don't even work as a deterrent.

Dont the two nations you have just mentioned some of lowest rates of crime?

I worked in Saudi Arabia and the punishments are so harsh no one dared break any of the rules.

[PlasticClaret]

This fella sees an opportunity to get himself on the telly.

[RicardoMontalban]

Dont the two nations you have just mentioned some of lowest rates of crime?

I worked in Saudi Arabia and the punishments are so harsh no one dared break any of the rules.

That they do still execute people suggests people still break their rules.

[Foshiznik]

Capital punishment is something largely used only in countries like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

The civilised world has rightly discarded this horrible practise (with one very notable exception).

Why would we want to slide back into medieval punishments like that, which don't even work as a deterrent.

Many aspects and thoughts of some ideologies and politics in the modern world like sending immigrants back where they came from, locking away the mentally ill and calling everything "woke" they don't agree with are better suited to medieval times too, but not enough seem to see an issue with those practices, so there will always be other medieval practices like capital punishment until there is that change.

[NottsClaret]

We've got to bringing back the death penalty pretty quick, on the back of a tragic story we know almost nothing about. What if it's someone with serious mental health problems, who hasn't had the correct care or medication because we don't really give a toss about funding those services?

Who's going to the gallows for that?

[CoolClaret]

Dont the two nations you have just mentioned some of lowest rates of crime?

I worked in Saudi Arabia and the punishments are so harsh no one dared break any of the rules.

Theocratic, totalitarian shithole with one of the lowest indexes of human freedom, no infrastructure and an absolute horrific record on human rights.

Of course you’ve been and worked there and are defending it. Wouldn’t expect anything less

[Rowls]

Capital punishment is something largely used only in countries like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

The civilised world has rightly discarded this horrible practise (with one very notable exception).

Why would we want to slide back into medieval punishments like that, which don't even work as a deterrent.

I'm not sure there's a large appetite to return to those days but I take issue with the idea that it is more "civilised" to lock people up in perpetuity than it is to dispatch them quickly and humanely.

[PlasticClaret]

The killer apparently had weaponry on both ends of the severity spectrum.

A few neutrons short of a chain reaction.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm not sure there's a large appetite to return to those days but I take issue with the idea that it is more "civilised" to lock people up in perpetuity than it is to dispatch them quickly and humanely.

Huge "I was only following orders" defence vibes here Rowls