France riots

[Venkys4eva]

Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?

Fully comply with their instructions.

[Jamesy]

Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?
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[Lancasterclaret]

This is one of those things were the new twitter is next to useless - all the paid for blue ticks are saying its the fault of whatever they believe with all their hearts, and all the "the MSM always lie, its vital to do your own research, but only if it validates my opinions" lot are swallowing it wholesale

The murder of the child is being investigated, the police officer has been arrested, and looters are taking advantage

Just depressing, but a not going to result in a new world order (sorry guys!)

[taio]

Fully comply with their instructions.

As I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people would

[daveisaclaret]

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good old left wing rant. The initial wrongdoing was by the teenager (not a child). True, the cop compounded the event by shooting the wrongdoer. Personally, if I was caught bang to rights by an armed cop who was pointing a gun a me, I’d be doing everything possible to comply with what he told me to do. It isn’t a huge leap to realise that a failure to do so might culminate in life changing events.

Now listen, I am a leftie and I won't hide it. But are you actually making the point that it's left wing to not think the police should murder children? Because that shouldn't be the case really.

[AlargeClaret]

Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.

He was 17 hardly a child . Unlike say the poor 12yr old girl raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant recently in France . While it’s hardly the victims fault he was murdered by a trigger happy cop or because he was North African that it was racially motivated .

Either way it hardly justifies the wanton savagery , looting , burning and destruction being wrought across France .

[Lancasterclaret]

No, you have got an agenda which is getting closer and closer to the surface with every post.

No problem with you calling out his agenda, but don't ignore the posters on this thread with agendas of their own

Call them all out please

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?

If I'm getting stopped by armed police then I'm doing what they ask, just like I do with normal coppers.

Something's just aren't worth the argument

[Jamesy]

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good old left wing rant. The initial wrongdoing was by the teenager (not a child). True, the cop compounded the event by shooting the wrongdoer. Personally, if I was caught bang to rights by an armed cop who was pointing a gun a me, I’d be doing everything possible to comply with what he told me to do. It isn’t a huge leap to realise that a failure to do so might culminate in life changing events.

He is using the term child or children to support his argument and imply the policeman shot an innocent little child. Teenager or career criminal teenager is a more apt description but wouldn’t suit his left wing anti police agenda.

[daveisaclaret]

He is using the term child or children to support his argument and imply the policeman shot an innocent little child. Teenager or career criminal teenager is a more apt description but wouldn’t suit his left wing anti police agenda.

You'll be shocked to find I don't think the police should murder anyone.

[Jamesy]

No problem with you calling out his agenda, but don't ignore the posters on this thread with agendas of their own

Call them all out please

I will do if they respond to or challenge my individual posts. Ok?

[JohnMcGreal]

Huge culture clashes unfortunately.

Is it a clash of cultures? The French have a long history of civil disobedience, protest and disorder. They even had a revolution a few hundred years ago.

This latest episode just seems very 'French' to me.

[Jamesy]

You'll be shocked to find I don't think the police should murder anyone.

That doesn’t shock me at all.

[Jakubclaret]

A sad tragic event & before any recriminations are being held some sort of a an inquest must happen when the dust settles & the anger subsides, you'll never get sobering clarity until it does.

[Lancasterclaret]

I will do if they respond to or challenge my individual posts. Ok?

Ok, but at one racist and a lot of people to the right of Joe Lycett are happily agreeing with you

That would bother me a bit

[Venkys4eva]

At least it wont spread here because the weather is awful and they only like looting in nice weather

[Lancasterclaret]

At least it wont spread here because the weather is awful and they only like looting in nice weather

You've nailed one of the reasons its kicked off

Always does when its hot, and people are living in cramped accommodation with nothing to do and no prospects

If only people would think about all the causes eh?

[Jamesy]

Ok, but at one racist and a lot of people to the right of Joe Lycett are happily agreeing with you

That would bother me a bit

So what am I to do? Trawl back through posters individual posts on other threads and see if any have racist overtones?
Listen, this was a tragic and avoidable death. If the teenager had been law abiding he would be alive. If the police officer had acted properly the teenager would also be alive.
It’s not a debate about racism. The poster I called out stated that a child had been killed by a racist cop. That in my view needed challenging.

[Venkys4eva]

You've nailed one of the reasons its kicked off

Always does when its hot, and people are living in cramped accommodation with nothing to do and no prospects

If only people would think about all the causes eh?

Make your own luck in life. I came from a family of 8, grew up on a rough council estate where you couldn't leave the house empty because your neighbours would rob you. We often hadn't enough food in either but we never went looting.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You've nailed one of the reasons its kicked off

Always does when its hot, and people are living in cramped accommodation with nothing to do and no prospects

If only people would think about all the causes eh?

Has there ever been better opportunities for all people?

A lot of the issues come from people expecting hand outs, there are some amazing opportunities if people are willing to put themselves out of the comfort zone

[bfcmik]

I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

I think the instinctive reaction to anyone pointing a gun at you is to put your hands up.

[bfcmik]

The French love a good riot. They have them every year.

[bfcjg]

Armed police officers get a split second to make a decision, at the moment with so many terrorist incidents is the suspects hand movement going for a gun, a suicide bomb trigger,no doubt the police officer has a family etc what flashes through his mind in that split second. If he had walked up to someone and shot them that is murder. Can you imagine the carnage on yhe directs if all armed officers just handed their guns in who would we turn to ?

[CaptJohn]

I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

I agree. I have been in that situation unfortunately but managed to survive. It was a drunken policeman at a road block on the road from Port Harcourt to Warri in Nigeria. Thankfully his aim was way off but he let off a full magazine from an AK47 as we sped away. My crime was not to give him "dash." He managed to take out a back tyre with one round but we were able to drive a sufficient distance away to have time to change the wheel before he came into sight and let off more rounds. Pointless reporting it as I was an Oyibo (white man) in Nigeria, therefore guilty.

[daveisaclaret]

I agree. I have been in that situation unfortunately but managed to survive. It was a drunken policeman at a road block on the road from Port Harcourt to Warri in Nigeria. Thankfully his aim was way off but he let off a full magazine from an AK47 as we sped away. My crime was not to give him "dash." He managed to take out a back tyre with one round but we were able to drive a sufficient distance away to have time to change the wheel before he came into sight and let off more rounds. Pointless reporting it as I was an Oyibo (white man) in Nigeria, therefore guilty.

Crikey. Unfortunately some on here will be fuming you've brought race into it.

[turbo5]

We saw it with the riots in the UK there is nothing better than going home with a looted a 70inch 4K TV , a handful of Boss shirts , and a dummy display iPhone 14 pro to make you feel better.
I get annoyed at a lot of things in life but it doesn't make me want to go into town and loot Poundland, TK Max and Aldi then set fire to the market hall.
17 years of age is old enough to realise you aint above the law, when the police put a gun to your head you stop and obey.No sympathy from me and the looters are just opportunists not protestors

[Jamesy]

Crikey. Unfortunately some on here will be fuming you've brought race into it.

Presume that’s aimed at me? I don’t fume when people like you conveniently bring race into it. When you make a statement that a child was murdered by a racist cop it deserves to be challenged.
Keep waiting for the opportune moments to push your agenda pal and I think I will just watch the cricket.

[Bigbopper]

Bring in the army and use live rounds, that should cure it.

[Clovius Boofus]

I think the instinctive reaction to anyone pointing a gun at you is to put your hands up.

Especially if it's a uniformed police officer.

The rioting is simply an excuse to let off steam and loot. All they are doing is ensuring their neighbourhoods get bleaker. Fewer shops and other businesses = fewer jobs and local amenities.

[FCBurnley]

Tour de France might be interesting !

[Boss Hogg]

If he’d been armed or had a suicide vest on and the policeman had let him drive off he would have been criticised for not shooting. They can’t win. Who the hell would want to be a firearms officer. If the police stop you you stop. If you don’t you’ve put yourself in a dangerous position. If a burglar breaks into your house and you end up killing then I’ve no sympathy for the burglar but of course it won’t be the burglar’s fault.

[ecc]

Never any riots or disorder in England.

Two years ago on the day of the Euro Final Wembley was a haven of peace.

August 2011. London was a haven of peace.

Thoroughly disagree with the looting and burning innocent people's cars. Despite being a Guardian reader, I support the police (yes, it is possible). There aren't enough of them here in France, they're the victim of underfunding and are having to cope with the ire of people largely due to successive governments' policies.

However, there's a very worrying increase in the use of extreme violence and guns on the part of the police.

[Tricky Trevor]

Having watched the footage it appears that the cop is resting on the car as the youth starts to drive off. Could this have been a factor that triggered(sorry) the gun going off?

[aggi]

Clearly what the lad in the car should have done, if he was worried about the police stopping him, was flag down a passing bus driver.

[Volvoclaret]

Wish our police would take out some of the young speeders from Nelson and Brierfield

[Clarets4me]

Facts ...

17 year old boy of Morroccan/Algerian heritage, brought up by his single mother, having never known his father. Whilst no criminal record, he was under investigation for persistently driving whilst only holding a provisional license ( 14 year olds can ride mopeds on a provisional ). You cannot legally drive a car in France until you are 18.

He had already been placed in a scheme to help " disadvantaged " youths, which included joining his local Rugby League Club. He was due in juvenile court in September, to face driving charges. Presumably now on the radar of the authorities, he's then caught again driving a " borrowed " bright yellow Mercedes AMG displaying Polish plates, that had been rented from a Polish Car hire firm. When caught, he then refuses to co-operate with an armed policeman ...

What followed was a dreadful series of events .. what if the police had let him go and within 20 minutes, he'd then lost control, and ploughed into a young mother and her 3 children ?

[Damo]

This is one of those things were the new twitter is next to useless - all the paid for blue ticks are saying its the fault of whatever they believe with all their hearts, and all the "the MSM always lie, its vital to do your own research, but only if it validates my opinions" lot are swallowing it wholesale

The murder of the child is being investigated, the police officer has been arrested, and looters are taking advantage

Just depressing, but a not going to result in a new world order (sorry guys!)

The new twitter, where posts don't get deleted if they don't offend the political beliefs of the people of moderate it?
"Freedom of speech is fine, as long as I personally agree with what is being spoken"

[Holmeclaret]

Armed police officers get a split second to make a decision, at the moment with so many terrorist incidents is the suspects hand movement going for a gun, a suicide bomb trigger,no doubt the police officer has a family etc what flashes through his mind in that split second. If he had walked up to someone and shot them that is murder. Can you imagine the carnage on yhe directs if all armed officers just handed their guns in who would we turn to ?

The police tried to say that the lad was driving towards them but this turned out to be a lie from the video evidence. The terrorist argument exacerbated the situation.

[Vegas Claret]

surely nobody can be surprised by what is happening in France ?

[Lancasterclaret]

The new twitter, where posts don't get deleted if they don't offend the political beliefs of the people of moderate it?
"Freedom of speech is fine, as long as I personally agree with what is being spoken"

The fact that stuff being parroted is utter bilge is a concern to anyone who gives a s**t about democracy one would think

[Lancasterclaret]

Has there ever been better opportunities for all people?

A lot of the issues come from people expecting hand outs, there are some amazing opportunities if people are willing to put themselves out of the comfort zone

Yup, you can live amazingly on handouts apparently

[kentonclaret]

This isn’t French people taking to the streets to protest at an increase in the pension age. A large number of the people rioting are reported to be “young or very young” and if it wasn’t for the tragic death of this young man the disaffected youth would have found another source of grievance to riot over.

[Lancasterclaret]

Make your own luck in life. I came from a family of 8, grew up on a rough council estate where you couldn't leave the house empty because your neighbours would rob you. We often hadn't enough food in either but we never went looting.

Everyone who manages to drag themselves up in life deserves huge credit, but not everyone can, and everyone deserves as much help as possible

[Jakubclaret]

Crikey. Unfortunately some on here will be fuming you've brought race into it.

I've often wondered if any subject (non football related) exists on this forum where somebody doesn't force race in from some sort of angle.

[Venkys4eva]

Everyone who manages to drag themselves up in life deserves huge credit, but not everyone can, and everyone deserves as much help as possible

More help than ever before available today for anyone willing to work hard

[RMutt]

Facts ...

17 year old boy of Morroccan/Algerian heritage, brought up by his single mother, having never known his father. Whilst no criminal record, he was under investigation for persistently driving whilst only holding a provisional license ( 14 year olds can ride mopeds on a provisional ). You cannot legally drive a car in France until you are 18.

He had already been placed in a scheme to help " disadvantaged " youths, which included joining his local Rugby League Club. He was due in juvenile court in September, to face driving charges. Presumably now on the radar of the authorities, he's then caught again driving a " borrowed " bright yellow Mercedes AMG displaying Polish plates, that had been rented from a Polish Car hire firm. When caught, he then refuses to co-operate with an armed policeman ...

What followed was a dreadful series of events .. what if the police had let him go and within 20 minutes, he'd then lost control, and ploughed into a young mother and her 3 children ?

Shall I take it that’s a policy you’d advocate here then? Shoot any young driver who doesn’t stop for the police?

[Lancasterclaret]

More help than ever before available today for anyone willing to work hard

That is absolutely not the case I'm afraid

Every generation has challenges absolutely no doubt, but the ones below mine and yours really are struggling, and its not helping that people think they aren't

[Cardclaret]

Isn't this just the latest in a long series of people being shot for attempting to drive away from a traffic stop in France. Hasn't there been a dozen such incidents in the past year with the cops exonerated each time.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yup, you can live amazingly on handouts apparently

I didn’t say that, I am saying most expect opportunities to be handed to them on a plate. Life just isn’t like that.

I look my mates as an example half have ended up struggling and the other half that worked away and took the chances offered have done well. We openly discuss it and the general consensus is they made silly decisions when they were kids

[Jakubclaret]

That is absolutely not the case I'm afraid

Every generation has challenges absolutely no doubt, but the ones below mine and yours really are struggling, and its not helping that people think they aren't

You have to help yourself before anybody else will help you.