Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Jakubclaret]

You said Redmond he is on a free because no one really wants him. That's incorrect - he's on a free because he only signed a one year contract and it appears PL clubs are interested in him.

Nobody wants him with the mindset of selling him on, yes people are interested in him on a short term basis.

[Vegas Claret]

Nobody wants him with the mindset of selling him on, yes people are interested in him on a short term basis.

he's 29 not 39

[Jakubclaret]

he's 29 not 39

He's not over the hill by any stretch but when players reach 30 clubs are reluctant to offer lengthy extensions in the majority of cases, he'll do a job as a free agent.

[roperclaret]

Nobody wants him with the mindset of selling him on, yes people are interested in him on a short term basis.

He’s the same age as Wood was when Newcastle paid £25 mill for him. He was 31 when Forest paid £17 mill. I’d take Redmond over him now

[roperclaret]

He's not over the hill by any stretch but when players reach 30 clubs are reluctant to offer lengthy extensions in the majority of cases, he'll do a job as a free agent.

Bayern have just offered £80 mill for a 30 year old

[Jakubclaret]

He’s the same age as Wood was when Newcastle paid £25 mill for him. He was 31 when Forest paid £17 mill. I’d take Redmond over him now

We all know why that move took place & what happened afterwards, NUFC paying crazy money shouldn't be symbolic or an example for other clubs being foolhardy, Newcastle can afford to be that way & it worked out well for them.

[KellyClaret]

Redmond is a decent player with good Premier League pedigree (and no less than Pep is on record thinking he's a better player than given credit for). No accident Saints were relegated the year they let him go.

We've got to accept we have a limited budget, doubtless made more limited by the fact that since ALK took over, debt finance has become significantly more expensive/difficult. If we are spending big on a keeper, having already spent sizeable money on Bayer and O'Shea, then we're going to have to be pragmatic in a couple of areas. If say Kompany wants the lad from Metz and that's going to be a real significant fee, or to spend big on the lad from Millwall, or for the midfielder at Wolfsburg - we are going to have to cut our cloth elsewhere. Not every player we sign this summer can be part of the money ball plan - we can't afford the capital for that.

Not chasing Tella to ridiculous fees, and signing =
Redmond on a free instead, might well be a sensible part of that balancing act. After all, this is the player who a season ago kept Tella out of the Southampton team.

I think I'll take a pass if you think he is a decent player claretspice. I still remember you comparing Jay Simpson to Didier Drogba.

[123EasyasBFC]

People seem to think our whole policy is to buy players who have resale value, that won’t be the case as a premier league club, obviously we need players with sell on value but the value of having players coming towards the latter end of their careers can’t be forgotten

[NewClaret]

I’d take Redmond over him now

Not particularly excited by the Redmond link but this is a very good point. I’d take him over Wood and he’s been sold twice recently for very substantial 8 figure sums. In that context it’s a good deal.

[roperclaret]

Not particularly excited by the Redmond link but this is a very good point. I’d take him over Wood and he’s been sold twice recently for very substantial 8 figure sums. In that context it’s a good deal.

Exactly. He’s 29. 3 year contract, and if the worst was to happen, we would still be able to bank a few million for him next year.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Exactly. He’s 29. 3 year contract, and if the worst was to happen, we would still be able to bank a few million for him next year.

To be fair Roper if it was that simple why didn’t Southampton do that last season?

[CaymanClaret]

To be fair Roper if it was that simple why didn’t Southampton do that last season?

Not sure I'd be holding Southampton up as a club making sensible decisions...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He started life at Everton in blistering form scoring some good goals before he got injured.

About right for him, score a couple of goals a season and not do a great deal else.

[roperclaret]

To be fair Roper if it was that simple why didn’t Southampton do that last season?

They couldn’t he played for Besiktas last season

[Newcastleclaret93]

They couldn’t he played for Besiktas last season

This time last summer then? Why didn’t they offer him a new contract and just sell him for a few million?

[Carwin261]

He’ll be off to the Arab world where they’re throwing money down the drain again ,like the rest of the crowd that are only in it for money ( not that’s anything wrong with that )

[roperclaret]

This time last summer then? Why didn’t they offer him a new contract and just sell him for a few million?

He didn’t want to sign a new contract, like Tarks and Mee. It’s different isn’t it.

[123EasyasBFC]

He’ll be off to the Arab world where they’re throwing money down the drain again ,like the rest of the crowd that are only in it for money ( not that’s anything wrong with that )

I think there’s a lot of current free agents that had potential moves lined up and are now waiting to see if Saudi contract offers come their way, players like Barkley, maitland Nile’s and Ox

[GodIsADeeJay81]

This time last summer then? Why didn’t they offer him a new contract and just sell him for a few million?

They got a few million last summer when they sold him to Besiktas

[KellyClaret]

They got a few million last summer when they sold him to Besiktas

What? When he went on a free transfer?

[roperclaret]

They got a few million last summer when they sold him to Besiktas

Not sure they did, I thought he was out of contract.

[CoolClaret]

To be fair Roper if it was that simple why didn’t Southampton do that last season?

Southampton went fully money ball and tried to outsmart everyone with their signings -

Turns out you do need a few vets that have experience in the league - who’d have thought it

[Jakubclaret]

About right for him, score a couple of goals a season and not do a great deal else.

Yes he never pulled any trees up at any stage.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Southampton went fully money ball and tried to outsmart everyone with their signings -

Turns out you do need a few vets that have experience in the league - who’d have thought it

Not sure that’s 100% accurate. They signed some youngsters but they also signed some really experienced pros:

Onauchu at 28, Caleta Carr at 26, Aribo 26, Orsic 30, Maintland Nile’s 25.

With their already vastly experienced squad I wouldn’t say they went total money ball. They did spend an awful lot of money though. What was it 140m spent last season

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What? When he went on a free transfer?

My bad, I read they got something for him after turning down bids from Bournemouth and Fenerbahce

[Jakubclaret]

To be fair Roper if it was that simple why didn’t Southampton do that last season?

Wasting your time trying to absorb basic information into simple minds, let people believe he's the next Messi in the making, he's ok as free agent any different people are on the moors early season magic mushroom picking.

[CoolClaret]

Not sure that’s 100% accurate. They signed some youngsters but they also signed some really experienced pros:

Onauchu at 28, Caleta Carr at 26, Aribo 26, Orsic 30, Maintland Nile’s 25.

With their already vastly experienced squad I wouldn’t say they went total money ball. They did spend an awful lot of money though. What was it 140m spent last season

How many of them are experienced PL pros or even English footy pros (Maitland-Niles apart)?!

Good breakdown here:

https://youtu.be/n42BGMXHyho

[gawthorpe_view]

No idea on Trafford yet, but Beyer could easily go right to the top. Would not surprise me one bit if he ends his career with a champions league medal and a lot of caps for Germany

Future captain.

[Tricky Trevor]

Nowt to do wi’ us but it made me smile.

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[mybloodisclaret]

Beyer is an outstanding player. Right out of the top draw. Excellent signing. I agree, he will go to the very top.

[mybloodisclaret]

Nowt to do wi’ us but it made me smile.
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The least we can do to help out is £1 mill for Adam Wharton.

[davideyresleftear]

Alex Scott

Released by both Southampton and Bournemouth academies.
Rocked up playing for Guernsey in non league.
Two Seasons at Bristol City - their fans think he’s good.

Josh Brownhill.

Released by Man Utd Academy
Rocked up at Preston in League 2
3 Seasons at Bristol City - their fans though he was good.

Pretty similar other than Brownhill did Two years grounding in league 1 whereas Scott did 6 months in non league

I’m wondering how those facts/vague similarities make their potential and play styles the same? Especially when one of your data points is ‘their fans think he’s good’ and the other 2 things are actually different (they started in different academies and were recruited by different teams in different leagues)

Not having a go but I just don’t see how both players being released from different academies has any bearing on what kind of players they are. Especially years after they were released. It’s like comparing actors based on where they went to school. By all means let me know your thinking if I’ve read this wrong.

[roperclaret]

I’m wondering how those facts/vague similarities make their potential and play styles the same? Especially when one of your data points is ‘their fans think he’s good’ and the other 2 things are actually different (they started in different academies and were recruited by different teams in different leagues)

Not having a go but I just don’t see how both players being released from different academies has any bearing on what kind of players they are. Especially years after they were released. It’s like comparing actors based on where they went to school. By all means let me know your thinking if I’ve read this wrong.

The point was not to compare them as players. The point was to question Newcastle’s statement that Scott had obvious Premiership pedigree. He may very well turn out to be a good player, but in terms of ‘pedigree’ not much different to a young Josh Brownhill, who he doesn’t rate.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The point was not to compare them as players. The point was to question Newcastle’s statement that Scott had obvious Premiership pedigree. He may very well turn out to be a good player, but in terms of ‘pedigree’ not much different to a young Josh Brownhill, who he doesn’t rate.

They are completely different pedigree.

Not sure how you can’t see it? Brownhill was 24 before he had made the same number of championship appearances. This lad is 19 and looking at a 25m pound move to the premier league. After impressing for England u20s.

The last player to have this many championship appearances at his age was Jude Bellingham

[Burnley87]

Football fans

Guy who has been ripping it up in the French second division. Pay twenty million for him. Nobody has ever seen play live

Players with hundreds of appearances in the hardest league in the world and not thirty yet. Don’t want them

Makes you wonder if they would do the same if it was their money they were spending. Probably not

[Newcastleclaret93]

Football fans

Guy who has been ripping it up in the French second division. Pay twenty million for him. Nobody has ever seen play live

Players with hundreds of appearances in the hardest league in the world and not thirty yet. Don’t want them

Makes you wonder if they would do the same if it was their money they were spending. Probably not

One player is at the start of their career and has shown great promise to be a great player.

The other player is approaching the end of his career. Of course he is going to have more appearances.

Stupid comparison. It’s like saying why sign Bellingham when they already have Modric who has 100s of appearances in La liga

[gandhisflipflop]

To be fair, 29 isn’t approaching the end of a career. 33 plus and I’d agree. Not every signing we make can be of the mikatuadze mold. We do need a bit of experience too.

[claptrappers_union]

Remember when we spaffed £200,000 on Graham Alexander... He was 35

[Newcastleclaret93]

To be fair, 29 isn’t approaching the end of a career. 33 plus and I’d agree. Not every signing we make can be of the mikatuadze mold. We do need a bit of experience too.

To be fair most players (not all before someone jumps in) do not play at the highest level after 31-32. Redmond is certainly approaching the end of his career now.

I agree we definitely need some experience in the team. Not debating that. Just saying comparing the two is just stupid

[gandhisflipflop]

Even if we had 12 months out of him on a 9 man bench, I fail to see how he wouldn’t be a solid signing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Even if we had 12 months out of him on a 9 man bench, I fail to see how he wouldn’t be a solid signing.

Depends how much he plays. If he’s going to be a regular I would suggest it’s not a great signing. If it’s just a bench player I would agree

[Firthy]

Depends how much he plays. If he’s going to be a regular I would suggest it’s not a great signing. If it’s just a bench player I would agree

He won't be signed as either. We know he has the skills and he will be a regular if he produces the goods every week or a bench player if he doesn't. Still a decent signing on a free transfer provided his wage demands are within our scales.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He won't be signed as either. We know he has the skills and he will be a regular if he produces the goods every week or a bench player if he doesn't. Still a decent signing on a free transfer provided his wage demands are within our scales.

Fair point

[roperclaret]

The point was not to compare them as players. The point was to question Newcastle’s statement that Scott had obvious Premiership pedigree. He may very well turn out to be a good player, but in terms of ‘pedigree’ not much different to a young Josh Brownhill, who he doesn’t rate.

Look all I’m saying is that 2 seasons in the championship is not ‘pedigree’ regardless of age. It’s still only potential.

[claretonthecoast1882]

There seems to be light at the end of the tunnel with this thread for those who have struggled the last 12 months while there was nothing to whinge about. It feels good to be back to the same people moaning about almost every player we are linked with.

The latest being we shouldn't sign Redmond as he isn't good enough and Southampton have proved that by only signing him to a 1 year deal and the letting him go, as well as his stats aren't that good. Then we are told by some of same posters we should sign Tella a player who Southampton decided wasn't good enough for the Premier league last summer then witnessed him up to January and still didn't recall him while in a relegation fight, not only that we should be paying 15m plus for this player while using Southampton as a yardstick for a players ability.

It is always funny to see the "underwhelming" comment when a player is linked it's like a child and his christmas presents, although I have yet to see anyone be overwhelmed with a signing, strange how some seem to revel in being miserable.

Here's to being linked with a few more players, you can never see the stupid phrase "bang average" too many times.

[KRBFC]

Redmond would only be second choice behind Zaroury anyway, definitely isn’t a bad option off the bench. Allows us to spend elsewhere on improving the 11.

[Blyclaret]

Redmond with his premier league experience in my opinion would be first choice.

[Tricky Trevor]

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It is always funny to see the "underwhelming" comment when a player is linked it's like a child and his christmas presents, although I have yet to see anyone be overwhelmed with a signing, strange how some seem to revel in being miserable.

Those who knew were overwhelmed with Steven Defour but your point is valid.

[nil_desperandum]

Redmond would only be second choice behind Zaroury anyway, definitely isn’t a bad option off the bench. Allows us to spend elsewhere on improving the 11.

Which Zaroury?
The one who was magnificent for the first half of the season, or the one who looked tired and short of confidence (for the most part) in the last quarter of the season?

[Lancasterclaret]

Which Zaroury?
The one who was magnificent for the first half of the season, or the one who looked tired and short of confidence (for the most part) in the last quarter of the season?

I think the idea that Zaroury wasn't still a very good player for the 2nd half of the season is more than a little unfair