Russia Invades

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 6:16 pm

There's no way Ukraine can join NATO until this conflict is over. Zelensky understands this. If they joined now we would be duty bound to send troops in.
As Zelensky says, they are fighting this war, as much on our behalf as on theirs. We owe them a lot, not least our gratitude.
I don't think it matters as much to Europe, as it does to America, but they must be rubbing their hands with glee at the opportunity to get a country in Ukraines unique position within NATO.
At the same time Russia must be shitting it. As said many times, Putin has really shot himself in the foot, because of his ego.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:45 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russia-sendin ... 58774.html
Interesting article on the cannon fodder.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:05 am

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 8422779904

Russian TOR-1 system spots and just misses a Ukrainian drone

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:09 am

Missile video really impressive.
Some info on Russia
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russia-plans- ... 51177.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russia-plans- ... 04938.html

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:26 am

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1 ... 9524205568

Kerch bridge hit again and is now closed

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:28 am

Railway bit looks undamaged, but the one entire span on bit for vehicles has completely gone

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:09 am

Interesting views on insubordination in the Russian military:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ly-16-2023

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:28 am
Railway bit looks undamaged, but the one entire span on bit for vehicles has completely gone

I've read that the railway is still knackered from last time and they can only run passenger trains on it - nothing too heavy.

...still, it could do with another droning!

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:52 pm

That bridge is always going to be a target, glad they got it again. Now to try the railway part.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:25 am

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u ... ar-kharkiv

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:12 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wagner-fighte ... 11572.html
What a bunch of psychopaths they are.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:52 pm

https://twitter.com/Saturnax1/status/16 ... 2474211333

Kerch Bridge is so badly damaged that Russian Naval Landing craft are having to be used as ferries

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:50 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/arresting-put ... 49520.html
Will Putin risk going ? If he does would
his mode of transport be a legitimate target, whilst there would he be vulnerable.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:18 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:12 pm
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wagner-fighte ... 11572.html
What a bunch of psychopaths they are.

I raise you. He's determined to involve other countries in his war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66253143

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:15 am

He is evil to the core, basically starving innocent people in Africa. Be interesting for a NATO country such as Turkey to call his bluff,would he risk it ?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:52 am

Presume this is Putin’s reply to the latest Kerch bridge bombing ? Not only not re-newing the grain deal but bombing the actual grain stores which is pretty low even for Putin. The flip side being surely UKR knew damn well hitting Vlads’s sacred bridge would result in exactly that .

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:16 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:15 am
He is evil to the core, basically starving innocent people in Africa. Be interesting for a NATO country such as Turkey to call his bluff,would he risk it ?

Even so the South African president was still making overtures to Putin to visit South Africa for a Conference, even though the bombing of grain stores will condemn tens of thousands more people on the continent to starvation.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:45 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/putin-warns-p ... 47417.html
He is doing his best to stir.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:54 pm

https://twitter.com/sizov_andre/status/ ... 6907618305

Good bit on the grain issues in the Black Sea

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:45 pm

Interesting, if the route to the Danube is targeted then Russia really is raising the stakes, but also playing with fire.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:59 pm

Crimea Bridge closed again:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66276788

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:06 pm

Seems UKR can hit Crimea at will, perhaps testing what Putin’s reactions will be ? Which are usually scattergun ( literally ) laced with personal indignation “ you’re bombing RUS the gloves are off “ type of thing .

Far as I can see UKR are “ out shelling “ RUS ( even pro russ channels are suprised at the 24/7 shell fest on the front ) which is pretty much what “ The West” wants , i.e enough to stop any RUS advances and very slowly squeeze them .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:21 pm

https://twitter.com/IamKrus/status/1682825134367801344

Ukrainian soldiers seeing Stonehenge for the first time

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:21 pm
https://twitter.com/IamKrus/status/1682825134367801344

Ukrainian soldiers seeing Stonehenge for the first time

They think that the russians did it!

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:43 pm

https://twitter.com/CzechMFA/status/1683867382069051394

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:46 pm

ukrainians foiled in their attempts to protest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fencing/66322668

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:48 pm

Looks like the business end of the UKR counteroffensive kicked off yesterday with gains on most fronts ( though big equipment losses) This is tonight’s pro RUS “wargonzo” report
and again stating the endless intensity of the UKR artillery ,

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Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:11 am

no idea if this is legit, you can do anything with AI and it's making it impossible
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1 ... 88545?s=20

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:29 am

it's legit

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:20 am

You cannot believe a single thing wargonzo reports

These guys are allowed to move with the Russian troops and report

The chances of anything they say being not run past Russian command and control are zero

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:25 pm

https://twitter.com/CalamineW/status/16 ... 9678627840

Analysis of the Ukrainian Stugna-P ATGM

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:20 am
You cannot believe a single thing wargonzo reports

These guys are allowed to move with the Russian troops and report

The chances of anything they say being not run past Russian command and control are zero

Wargonzo’s doppelgänger was killed the other week. I’d have sworn it was him based on the video. But he has posted since then so no luck.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:21 pm

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1686009595482038272

Chondar Bridge, only rail line out of Crimea as a supply source for the Russians was damaged last night

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:32 am

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1 ... 3501471744

Successful drone attack on the Russian naval base at Novorossiysk (which is on the Black Sea well the south of Crimea)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... 1930551296

The ship being towed after the attack - I'm not sure anything with a list like that is going to avoid going down to be honest

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:35 am

List is what, 20-30 degrees. It is in a harbour which are usually pretty shallow so if it does capsize it should be recoverable although of course more damage will be done by all the sea water etc inside the ship.

What's impressive is the reach of the Ukrainian surface threat. Whether the Russians didn't consider this or failed in some other way I can't say. In WW2 nets and other obstacles were used to try and prevent attacks - mostly from torpedoes it has to be said. I wonder if Ukraine could design a drone torpedo boat - or submarine?

The range of these drones is thought to be about 800km. The distance, for example, from Odesa to Novorossiysk is around 850km.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/04/russia-u ... -19265578/

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:20 pm

Claims that Latvia is going to ask 6k Russians in their country to leave and Lithuania is closing 2 of its 6 border crossings with Belarus

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm

That’s some list ,bloody hell ! And the RUS are saying “ it was just the drone wreckage after shooting it down “

. That’s some range has to be said .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:04 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm
That’s some list ,bloody hell ! And the RUS are saying “ it was just the drone wreckage after shooting it down “ . That’s some range has to be said .

The various naval experts who I follow on twitter all saying the same thing - essentially the Russian Black Sea Fleet main bases of Sevastopol and Novorossiysk are vulnerable and these attacks essentially stop the Black Sea Fleet from doing anything like interdicting the Grain routes from Ukraine

Both sides can get their various exports out by other means of course, but I don't think anyone had "Ukraine has effectively closed the Black Sea to Russian warships" in any realistic scenario

The use of drones and unmanned attack boats must be having every military force in the world scrambling to readjust how to deal with it

Suddenly stuff like Gepards are worth their weight in gold

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:32 am
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1 ... 3501471744

Successful drone attack on the Russian naval base at Novorossiysk (which is on the Black Sea well the south of Crimea)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... 1930551296

The ship being towed after the attack - I'm not sure anything with a list like that is going to avoid going down to be honest

I've also heard that the ship was built in Poland so getting spares/ anything "of the shelf" to fix it would be impossible.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:26 pm

Indeed ^^^
This war has inadvertently changed the face of military war zone combat , mainly because of drones . It’s almost like a cctv on any combat zone ,tap in the coordinates and bingo , whether it’s directing the drone itself or ultra accurate info on static targets . As for the 800km + drones they’re something else ,not to mention the precision of some of the shells the yanks provided , Excaliburs possibly ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:58 pm

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:19 pm
I've also heard that the ship was built in Poland so getting spares/ anything "of the shelf" to fix it would be impossible.

It will need a dry dock to repair - its tied up on a quay in the main harbour and still has a hell of a list

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:59 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha-c ... nding_ship

Built in Poland for the USSR - that makes them pretty old

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:14 pm

Hipper wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:35 am
I wonder if Ukraine could design a drone torpedo boat - or submarine?

https://www.technology.org/2023/05/15/t ... r-missile/

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:40 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-tanke ... 28634.html
Drones put to good use again
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/hes-torturing ... 57834.html
The brutality regarding the treatment of Russian conscripts by their trainers laid bare. The guy may haveca point saying it could lead to a mutiny.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:03 pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraini ... ?r=US&IR=T
Information regarding snipers, what comes across to me is the desire to protect your country .

iowalan · Post by **iowalan** » Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:35 am

Seems like the news from Ukraine has gone very quiet on the main news channels and on this very informative thread

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:52 am

iowalan wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:35 am
Seems like the news from Ukraine has gone very quiet on the main news channels and on this very informative thread

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66452100

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ust-9-2023

Russian forces continued offensive operations on the Svatove-Kreminna line, in the Bakhmut area, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, along the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced on the Svatove-Kreminna line, north of Bakhmut, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front and advanced in some areas on August 9.

Basically more of the same, no big breakthroughs.

iowalan · Post by **iowalan** » Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:56 pm

Thanks Hipper

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:33 pm

No words

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/sta ... 46560?s=20

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:00 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russia-loses- ... 11530.html
Russia losing more of these helicopters would really assist Ukraine.