Clarets v Spurs Match Thread

[Newcastleclaret93]

Totally agree, but some has to be on Kompany putting together such a young group of footballers to find their way in this division surely.

To be fair though looking at our fixtures our season realistically starts after about 8 games with how they've come out.

I am not sure we can wait 8 games to start picking up points. We will likely be relegated if that’s the case

[burnleymik]

Get in Browny. Lovely bit of play.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I simply can't get my nut round currently that we have a PL experienced left back in Taylor at the club who could do some organizing at the back and help the young 'uns in the tough environment yet we choose not to use him. Why didn't weet him go if he's not going to be used? It's just a crazy situation all round imo

[burnleymik]

Corky has made us look better.

[BurnleyFC]

I simply can't get my nut round currently that we have a PL experienced left back in Taylor at the club who could do some organizing at the back and help the young 'uns in the tough environment yet we choose not to use him. Why didn't weet him go if he's not going to be used? It's just a crazy situation all round imo

It’s bordering on criminal. Because he can’t pass as well as some others.

[ksrclaret]

Those half time subs and change of shape has completely knackered us.

Hard to believe VK has got things so wrong this summer

[Carlos the Great]

Football is a strange game. Of the 3 promoted teams we were by far the strongest and now we look the weakest. Just an observation on the first 3 games. Albeit very tough ones.
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Our first team is deffo weaker than last year .. wholesale changes Zz let’s hope they gel fast .. conceded 11 in 3 games is not a good start

[Clive 1960]

Those half time subs and change of shape has completely knackered us.

Hard to believe VK has got things so wrong this summer

Vincent is still learning.

[warksclaret]

Few lessons for VK today-and as Clinton Morrison has just said Josh should be starting games after the season he had

[Vino blanco]

Brownhill,man of the match for me.

[JimmyRobbo]

There’s at least 4 of those statements wrong , with the rest happy clapping excuses

You're not willing to expand? I'm interested to be shown my mistakes.

[RVclaret]

Those half time subs and change of shape has completely knackered us.

Hard to believe VK has got things so wrong this summer

Bit early to call it getting things so wrong surely.

We’d have a few points on board if we’d played some of the bottom 12 teams I’m sure.

It’s just been questionable tactical decision making imo against 3 top quality teams.

Like today, 3 in the middle with 2 sitters just seemed so logical.

[burnleymik]

The team did really well Wednesday night and looked solid. Maybe try that!

FT.

[buzzclarets79]

You really can't blame people leaving at 70 min when you're 1-5 down at Home, who really wants to stick around to endure more misery?

Just move on and forget about it. Wasn't there a Burnley manager once say "We don't get too up when we win, and we don't get too down when we lose"

[Terry Cochrane]

I am not sure we can wait 8 games to start picking up points. We will likely be relegated if that’s the case

Will say yet again games against top 8 clubs are not how we should be measuring ourselves ( I saw this game another free hit) - its all about teams in the bottom half and I am still very confident that we will be ok.

[Casper2]

Vincent is still learning.

Yes but it’s basics

[JimmyRobbo]

I get to as many games as I can. I have never ever left at 60 mins in.

There were loads that did today

No need to explain yourself to C2. It took me a while to realise, he's just fishing. No sensible comments ever offered. Probably never even played the game outside of computer games.

[It Is What It Is]

Great work effort from the Clarets...it will all come together in a few more games. Defo need to sort defence tactics tho.

[warksclaret]

Fortunately we have a 2 week break now. It could not have come at a better time. Lots of lessons in first 3 games and hopefully Vinnie and his back room staff will get together for some frank talking and rethinking. I cannot but help remember what Alan Shearer said when we lost 3-0 to City. He said we played a very high line and enjoyed pressing but we would be punished in the PL if that continued. At least VK is a very intelligent man and this will be his biggest challenge yet

[ksrclaret]

Bit early to call it getting things so wrong surely.

We’d have a few points on board if we’d played some of the bottom 12 teams I’m sure.

It’s just been questionable tactical decision making imo against 3 top quality teams.

Like today, 3 in the middle with 2 sitters just seemed so logical.

We’ve completely gone away from what made us so good last season with both the recruitment and the tactics

[RVclaret]

We’ve completely gone away from what made us so good last season with both the recruitment and the tactics

What do you mean re. recruitment?

Tactics wise Kompany has just got it wrong in the last two games but hard to disagree.

[Hedontplayforyou]

There’s measuring yourself against those sides and then there’s performing like that. You can’t be that open against top sides and get away with it. Villa could have scored many more as well last week.

That was terrible at times today, we had a slow start last season and it turned out pretty damn good let’s hope it sinks in soon.

Al-Dakhil was stinking today I thought . What was he doing at wing back as well?

I have the utmost faith in VK but I didn’t expect us tk be so open again today after the Villa game

[Foshiznik]

Could be worse. Could have lost 3-0 to Plymouth in the Championship.

[CryerBFC]

I don’t know what VKs problem with Taylor is, but that today is a perfect example of why we should play the best players available in each position.

Al Dakhil is a good option at CB, never do I want to see him at RB again. Roberts isn’t half as effective at LB as he is at RB which is essentially 2 positions weaker just by trying new things.

Berge isn’t the player to be alongside Cullen. Has to be Brownhill with Berge more advanced.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Those half time subs and change of shape has completely knackered us.

Hard to believe VK has got things so wrong this summer

It’s pretty remarkable that our starting eleven is worse than last seasons after spending so much.

It’s wierd to say, we have more quality now but the whole team looks so unbalanced.

I love watching Amdouni but he optimises the in-balance for me. He’s neither a forward or a midfielder. We are just trying to shoe horn him in

[tarkys_ears]

Oo we got a 2nd

- bit late I know but I've just got out of the shower

[Andreshotboots]

I am not sure we can wait 8 games to start picking up points. We will likely be relegated if that’s the case

From what I've seen so far we might not have too much choice..

[Granny WeatherWax]

Hard to criticise but Kompany has lost the plot.

[Paddy1882]

Muric
Roberts ekdal beyer Taylor
Cullen brownhill burge

Then choose 3 from our pacey options and play on the counter, the beauty with pace is it makes you lethal on the counter, I know odobert missed mid week but that was perfect counter attacking play, we should be utilising that pace all the time, soak up pressure then let the pacey 3 whoever VK picks break at speed.

[ksrclaret]

What do you mean re. recruitment?

Tactics wise Kompany has just got it wrong in the last two games but hard to disagree.

I think we’ve assembled an unbalanced squad with far too many inexperienced players.

Last season we had experience mixed in. This season we don’t and it’s costing us big time, it’s not just the tactics

[dermotdermot]

Those half time subs and change of shape has completely knackered us.

Hard to believe VK has got things so wrong this summer

Odd tactics to revert to five at the back at half time.

Berge started well but faded halfway through the first half.

I cannot understand why we signed up Redmond. Townsend would have been a better option.

Oh well. La de da. La de da.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Didn’t watch the game today but it looks like we need to bring back Cork Taylor and Muric back into the team. May also need to use a flat back four and work from there. Work with the best players we have not some random formation.

What formation did we play today?

[Boss Hogg]

Said last week we’d get a thumping this week. We are absolutely miles off it. Going nowhere but down playing like this with these players. I don’t see how this can be turned around quickly.

[SalisburyClaret]

Once the experienced players came on we looked better. We need leadership and organisation especially in defence

[Corky]

Corky has made us look better.

I do my best but it is becoming increasingly difficult.

[RVclaret]

I think we’ve assembled an unbalanced squad with far too many inexperienced players.

Last season we had experience mixed in. This season we don’t and it’s costing us big time, it’s not just the tactics

Recruitment last season was largely inexperience wasnt it?

We were very slow to start last season, defeat at Watford, all those 1-1 draws… I’m just thinking this time the learning has been done at the hands of three top 7 teams in the league and we’ve been punished massively.

[bf2k]

We’ve played 4 games. 3 against top teams and 1 against a team we should be beating. Guess what we’ve won the one we should be winning and lost the others. No need for a panic button just yet.

However, maybe VK needs to realise against some of these top teams we need to change the style a bit to be a bit more solid be in games to get a shock result.

[Granny WeatherWax]

We just need to get back to two midfielders in front of Cullen and the inverted full back.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We’ve played 4 games. 3 against top teams and 1 against a team we should be beating. Guess what we’ve won the one we should be winning and lost the others. No need for a panic button just yet.

However, maybe VK needs to realise against some of these top teams we need to change the style a bit to be a bit more solid be in games to get a shock result.

I’m not sure you can count a cup game against a premier league reserve team

[ksrclaret]

Recruitment last season was largely inexperience wasnt it?

We were very slow to start last season, defeat at Watford, all those 1-1 draws… I’m just thinking this time the learning has been done at the hands of three top 7 teams in the league and we’ve been punished massively.

Yes but he actually played his existing experienced players. This season he won’t so we needed to recruit some he would play.

Surely you can see that ?

[CryerBFC]

Didn’t watch the game today but it looks like we need to bring back Cork Taylor and Muric back into the team. May also need to use a flat back four and work from there. Work with the best players we have not some random formation.

What formation did we play today?

I was at the game and although it started 4-2-3-1/4-2-4.

I couldn’t even begin to describe how we set up from the start of the second half

[JarrowClaret]

For me
We have to change the midfield around Brownhill has to start if fit, would prefer we played a left back but that part doesn’t overly concern me, the midfield needs to protect the defence better. Trafford at the minute reminds me a bit of what happened to Hart not really doing a lot if anything wrong but for me he is a concern and I think we need Muric in goal.

[taio]

Recruitment last season was largely inexperience wasnt it?

We were very slow to start last season, defeat at Watford, all those 1-1 draws… I’m just thinking this time the learning has been done at the hands of three top 7 teams in the league and we’ve been punished massively.

Comparing apples with oranges comparing last season to this. We have experience in the squad that needs to be used more. As you suggest though, it's early days and three very tough fixtures

[bf2k]

I’m not sure you can count a cup game against a premier league reserve team

Ok so we’ve lost the ones on paper we should have lost. Regardless my point stands.

Forest next, one we should be winning (which Chelsea would have thought as well). Let’s see how we fair there

[Dressinggown]

Spurs playing out from the back created them having.attacking options.

Burnley playing out from the back created Spurs having attacking options.

Passing within our own six yard box from goal kicks just invites trouble.

We need to learn. Quickly.

[Anthonini]

Still alot of positive things to take out of this game. The first 20 minutes were brilliant. What a performance by Koleosho! When we put high pressure they can't cope with it.

Encouraging performances by Brownhill Corke and Bruun Larsen.

Bring in Tresor and we'll be even stronger. Zaroury will come back too.

Still it's sad to see how easy they can score vs us. Though some goals are nearly impossible to defend. Feel bad for Trafford who had to turn around 5 times today.

Kompany had a plan in the second half and it didn't work. No big deal it can happen to the best.

[bf2k]

Spurs playing out from the back created them having.attacking options.

Burnley playing out from the back created Spurs having attacking options.

Passing within our own six yard box from goal kicks just invites trouble.

We need to learn. Quickly.

Maybe Spurs are just better at this style of football.

Do we want to go back to Dycheball?

[Newcastleclaret93]

This won’t be a popular opinion (maybe because of a lack of pre season) but I think Cullen has looked seriously poor against premier league opposition. Perhaps there’s a reason he’s never played at this level at 27 year olds

[Vino blanco]

Comparing apples with oranges comparing last season to this. We have experience in the squad that needs to be used more. As you suggest though, it's early days and three very tough fixtures

Last season the team had perfect balance with every player knowing their roles. This season has started in just the opposite manner. It needs fixing quickly.

[taio]

This won’t be a popular opinion (maybe because of a lack of pre season) but I think Cullen has looked seriously poor against premier league opposition. Perhaps there’s a reason he’s never played at this level at 27 year olds

It's simple - we won't dominate play like we did last season and so he won't get the same time to orchestrate play in any where near the same way.