Trafford

[Neil]

There were a good few teams that pressed us high last season and although Muric struggled at the start, the number of times he helped us beat that press later on in the season was incredible, even opposing managers commenting on it.

Problem is it's a bad situation now whichever way you turn. Drop Trafford and it hurts his confidence. Play Muric who will already be demoralised at being dropped and hasn't got any Prem minutes under his belt.

Beating the drum, but Should have let Muric have the opportunity and allowed Trafford to earn the shirt.

As I said above, it's a huge leap from doing it in the Championship to the prem. Edison wouldn't look that comfortable in our goal because our defenders aren't as comfortable on the ball as cites and our central midfield is outnumbered when receiving the ball facing our own goal. Kompanies philosophy is.to play it out from the back which is great but we need to adopt our tactics somewhat as we're facing better players.
And I really don't have a horse in the race. My personal take would be to give muric a chance as it won't do Traffords confidence much good the rate he's conceding, even if he hasn't done a lot wrong in terms of mistakes.

[sjb]

Nick pope 10 million

Trafford (reported) 19 million

A million miles apart. The mind baffles.

Having seen Pope's part in Brighton's 1st goal tonight that may not be the best comparison to make.

[Jel]

It's a shame we've had him for more than 14 days. We could have returned him and got a refund!

[DanH90]

As people have alluded to, Trafford has done nothing wrong. It’s just Muric is so much better at playing out and that’s what gets is going. He is so so important to the way we play. Also, the defence look nervier with Trafford in there. Muric for me every day.

[Prefeot]

Well I am definitely NOT a Muric fan but I do fail to see both the price tag and the performance level of Trafford. I would actually feel more comfortable with Muric in goal
and I can’t believe I’m saying that!

[alwaysaclaret]

His confidence will probably be shot to pieces after the start he has had so would probably be best for a little spell out of the team for now.

This experimental back line doesn’t seem to be working either.

Not experimental at all, it's the fact that the only recognised left back at the club doesn't fit vk's system, well as I see it our right back playing left back and our central defender playing right back doesn't seem to fit he's system either and the sooner he gets player's back playing in their positions the sooner we'll start winning football matches.

[Elizabeth]

nobody asked you to open it. We are clearly going to discuss another dreadful performance by the side, if you don't want to participate then don't open the thread

Keep up, I didn’t re-open it. If you want to discuss the team performance there are more appropriate threads.

As someone has already pointed out this is a scapegoating thread but if you support that then go ahead fill your boots

[helmclaret]

I don’t think it’s good for him or the team to keep him in any longer.

Doesn’t have the presence of a top keeper for me yet. Composure and distribution no where near Muric at the moment.

Let’s get the team set up properly and that starts with Muric back in goal.

[JohnMcGreal]

Muric has a full season of Championship football under his belt (in a team that won the league). Trafford hasn't played regularly above League One level. It shows. We need to tighten up and that starts with picking your best players at the back. No need to overthink this one.

I think Trafford will go on to be a very good goalkeeper but he's the wrong man at this moment in time.

[burnleymik]

Keep up, I didn’t re-open it. If you want to discuss the team performance there are more appropriate threads.

As someone has already pointed out this is a scapegoating thread but if you support that then go ahead fill your boots

This isn't scapegoating Trafford, unless you see anyone blaming him for our defeat?

It all seems pretty fair discussion about whether he should be first choice keeper right now.

[Rick_Muller]

Make no mistake about it - Trafford is and will be a top keeper. 3 games against teams who are as offensive as City, Villa and Spurs are and he’s been hit. His confidence looks shot, especially after the fifth today.

Difficult one to call, Muric though shouldn’t have been dropped in the first place in my opinion.

[helmclaret]

The defence as a whole looks shambolic.

But as a start I would put Muric back in and play with a back 4. Roberts right back, Taylor left back.

Back to basics and get some structure.

[Prefeot]

Make no mistake about it - Trafford is and will be a top keeper. 3 games against teams who are as offensive as City, Villa and Spurs are and he’s been hit. His confidence looks shot, especially after the fifth today.

Difficult one to call, Muric though shouldn’t have been dropped in the first place in my opinion.

Really ???!!

[CoolClaret]

Not experimental at all, it's the fact that the only recognised left back at the club doesn't fit vk's system, well as I see it our right back playing left back and our central defender playing right back doesn't seem to fit he's system either and the sooner he gets player's back playing in their positions the sooner we'll start winning football matches.

The best managers tweak their systems/philosophy based on the structure at the club and then slowly build towards their ideal.

Not shoehorn players out of position and exclude top pros when you’re shipping goals

[Prefeot]

Muric has a full season of Championship football under his belt (in a team that won the league). Trafford hasn't played regularly above League One level. It shows. We need to tighten up and that starts with picking your best players at the back. No need to overthink this one.

I think Trafford will go on to be a very good goalkeeper but he's the wrong man at this moment in time.

He came with a big price tag and a big price tag comes with expectations… so far that’s questionable

[Rick_Muller]

Really ???!!

Which part? And yes, otherwise I wouldn’t say it

[Prefeot]

Which part? And yes, otherwise I wouldn’t say it

Trafford came with a big price tag and along with that comes expectations.

[JarrowClaret]

Muric has a full season of Championship football under his belt (in a team that won the league). Trafford hasn't played regularly above League One level. It shows. We need to tighten up and that starts with picking your best players at the back. No need to overthink this one.

I think Trafford will go on to be a very good goalkeeper but he's the wrong man at this moment in time.

I said on the match thread that Trafford at the minute reminds me a bit like Hart when he played. Not doing a lot if anything wrong but it just doesn’t feel right. Trafford is going to be a top keeper we just need to be patient with him and take him out of the limelight for a bit to work on parts of his game.

[Rick_Muller]

Trafford came with a big price tag and along with that comes expectations.

What has his price tag got to do with my post?

[Prefeot]

What has his price tag got to do with my post?

Everything

[Rick_Muller]

Everything

Explain

[Prefeot]

Explain

Read your own post … compare it to my response.

[boatshed bill]

I'd love some of you goalkeeping experts to actually come out with what he could have done better.

[claptrappers_union]

Trafford isn’t ready for Premier League football on a regular basis. He will be in time though.

[helmclaret]

The chipped balls out wide put us under pressure.

Doesn’t scan the play like Muric does and doesn’t have the same composure.

I’m sure he will develop but he’s not ready yet.

If I was Muric I would be absolutely fuming at not being first choice.

[Prefeot]

The chipped balls out wide put us under pressure.

Doesn’t scan the play like Muric does and doesn’t have the same composure.

I’m sure he will develop but he’s not ready yet.

If I was Muric I would be absolutely fuming at not being first choice.

Mmmm ok

[helmclaret]

That’s my opinion of course.

[Prefeot]

Trafford isn’t ready for Premier League football on a regular basis. He will be in time though.

What is as his price tag ? Along with that comes expectation

[123EasyasBFC]

Personally think when Trafford said he should have been told ‘look we want you to be our number 1 but muric has earned the right to lose the shirt first’ if kompany wants 2 number 1s and 2 players for each position then muric will be back in away at forest

[123EasyasBFC]

The chipped balls out wide put us under pressure.

Doesn’t scan the play like Muric does and doesn’t have the same composure.

I’m sure he will develop but he’s not ready yet.

If I was Muric I would be absolutely fuming at not being first choice.

Couldn’t agree more

[Nonayforever]

I think VK is caught between a rock and a hard place , with Trafford being the epitome of where he finds himself.
VK is a winner, a workaholic, a perfectionist. But he has a boss who thinks success is pound notes ( or dollars) in an offshore account.
We have bought players which, if everything goes to plan, will be worth far more than we paid.
We haven't bought players to give the team the best chance of staying up.
Trafford is behind an unsettled defence. CR at left back ?
I'm amazed at how one of the worlds best defenders ( when he was playing) can send out such an inexperienced defence when he's managing.
It hurts fans to watch, it must be killing VK.

[claptrappers_union]

What is as his price tag ? Along with that comes expectation

Depends on your expectation. I don't see £20m worth of goalkeeper though. Hopefully we will in 18 months time.

[Elizabeth]

This isn't scapegoating Trafford, unless you see anyone blaming him for our defeat?

It all seems pretty fair discussion about whether he should be first choice keeper right now.

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

[Prefeot]

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

3 home games (“ fortress turf “) … not just beaten but battered in all 3 … the turnaround has to come soon … very soon

[Darthlaw]

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

This thread is not the place for sense or reason.

Instead let’s clamor for the GK who wilted often in a division lower against weaker opposition who barely had a sniff, whilst we decry the U21 international who conceded against arguably the worlds best team, the second form team in the Pl and a team challenging for the top 4, better yet with a Mickey Mouse defence in front of him

[Prefeot]

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

Mmm so it’s like putting the surgeon who's performing your operation under the spotlight,. sometimes he’ll get it right sometimes he won’t …. wanna take that chance lol

[helmclaret]

This thread is not the place for sense or reason.

Instead let’s clamor for the GK who wilted often in a division lower against weaker opposition who barely had a sniff, whilst we decry the U21 international who conceded against arguably the worlds best team, the second form team in the Pl and a team challenging for the top 4, better yet with a Mickey Mouse defence in front of him

I think those at Forest said we looked a lot more structured playing out from the back with Muric midweek.

[123EasyasBFC]

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

Doesn’t matter who you are playing against, kicking the ball out of play is still kicking the ball out of play, shot stopping he is doing fine, maybe should of tried to save the 5th with his legs, but everyone’s reasons for Taylor not getting a kick in the prem is because he doesn’t ‘suit the style of play’ I haven’t seen anything yet to say that Trafford suits the style of play

[helmclaret]

Turned his back for the first which allowed Son to easily lift it over him.

[Prefeot]

Turned his back for the first which allowed Son to easily lift it over him.

Yes …. Very very poor

[helmclaret]

Have you watched it back? Not sure what your agenda is here.

[burnleymik]

This thread is not the place for sense or reason.

Instead let’s clamor for the GK who wilted often in a division lower against weaker opposition who barely had a sniff, whilst we decry the U21 international who conceded against arguably the worlds best team, the second form team in the Pl and a team challenging for the top 4, better yet with a Mickey Mouse defence in front of him

Surely reason is looking at how we play, looking at how we played with Muric in the team, even just on Wednesday night and then thinking about our style with the high back line and how Trafford has done so far?

There is plenty of sense and reason in this thread, just because you do not agree with it, doesn't mean it's not being used by almost every poster in the thread.

[CoolClaret]

Just so annoying that we’re even in this position.

We shouldn’t be bickering like this. We should be in alignment.

Traff himself has done nothing wrong, it’s genuinely **** that this has caused such a ruckus.

So entirely avoidable. Really frustrating

[roperclaret]

You can call it something else mik if you want.

It’s putting our first team goalkeeper under the microscope every single game. That is clearly unhealthy , let him and the team develop and remember we’ve played 3 games , all against top 6 sides

It is absolutely not Scapegoating to think Muric is better than Trafford. (Which I do bye the way as it stands). That’s not to say Trafford won’t go on to be better than Muric long term, but that is not a reason to keep playing him now.

[daveisaclaret]

This thread is not the place for sense or reason.

Instead let’s clamor for the GK who wilted often in a division lower against weaker opposition who barely had a sniff, whilst we decry the U21 international who conceded against arguably the worlds best team, the second form team in the Pl and a team challenging for the top 4, better yet with a Mickey Mouse defence in front of him

I love posts like this that imply people it's wrong to criticise a player and in the process have incredibly overboard criticism of loads of other players

[MT03ALG]

Muric is simply a better goalkeeper than Trafford at this stage.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Muric is simply a better goalkeeper than Trafford at this stage.

Unfortunately you have no way of proving that.

[up_the_clarets_1989]

I love Muric and would definitely be playing him, but it’s funny seeing some of the fools sat around me who were slagging him off throughout last season now losing the plot because he’s not playing. If Trafford is selected to start then we’ve got to get behind him. If it’s Muric then same again.

[helmclaret]

Unfortunately you have no way of proving that.

Apart from Muric playing a massive part of a Championship winning team?

[Vegas Claret]

Keep up, I didn’t re-open it. If you want to discuss the team performance there are more appropriate threads.

As someone has already pointed out this is a scapegoating thread but if you support that then go ahead fill your boots

haha, I'll open whatever thread I want and discuss whatever I want and I wont complain about it, you on the other hand have seemingly opened this one up to complain about it, weird.