Clarets Vs Newcastle

Turftalker · Post by **Turftalker** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:02 pm

Casper2 - not quite how you see a comparison of fan status from my post. Merely that, I have happily got involved in the forum for over 2 decades.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm
Lots of things are perfect for me.

You never have anything sensible to add. Week after week.

What do you want me to do ?

Oh I know what you could just ignore my posts , is that simple enough a task for you ?

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm
Ok I get your point, but from the teams we have played and our performances to date. Can you honestly say we look premier league quality?

This all may look better if we get a good win Tuesday night. But I am actually going to start worrying about VKs future if we lose against Luton.

I would say we looked good against Forest and the majority of the United game. I was pretty happy with our performance against City, but was disappointed by how easily beaten we were against Spurs and Villa. If I took those two latter games as a measuring stick I would be extremely concerned due to our defensive frailties but today, against united and forest we’ve looked better defensively, which tells me we are growing and improving defensively and I expect this to continue to improve.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Yes the fixtures have been tough, yes no-one was expecting a lot of points from them.

Isn't that really obvious? It's almost not worth typing, surely?

But we haven't done enough to give us a chance of coming away with a point or three. We've been slow, sloppy, naïve and to be honest, don't look to have much grit about us.

The basics are the same regardless of opposition. Fitness, pace, strength, organisation - they just haven't been there yet to the level they need to be.

Yes, we've played some immense teams. But we haven't done enough of what we can do to impact games.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Well. A result that was probably expected what’s not expected is teams we think may be in the mix come the end of the season winning today, wolves / Luton / palace all winning

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

That’s the worst we have looked all season

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Sad to say, but it was men against boys and we did well to keep it to 2 nil. It was what I expected, however I'm more concerned about Tuesday night, that will be very difficult.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm

That was very poor regardless of the opposition .

Men against boys. Mistakes all over the park. We never looked like scoring . Ponderous, slow, bad decision making, we made them look better than they were as well. From Ramseys stupid mistake to the horrendous defending for their second it wasn’t god enough in the slightest .

Luton is now a huge huge game midweek. If we take nothing from that then we are in deep trouble

Turftalker · Post by **Turftalker** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:05 pm

We have certainly improved our defensive structure. There is clearly vulnerability and we are shooting ourselves in the foot too much. But let's look at the caliber of opposition we have faced, the number of players we have brought in, and the age of our squad. It's September not January. A little balance is all I'm asking for.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:05 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm
Well. A result that was probably expected what’s not expected is teams we think may be in the mix come the end of the season winning today, wolves / Luton / palace all winning

To be fair, if Luton hadn't won then Everton might have taken the points.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:05 pm

Did anyone think Luton would go to Everton and win? But many think we will go to Luton and win , get real we are weak and are up against it all season every game is a battle and pretty tippy happy football with no fight will win nowt in this league.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:05 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm
What do you want me to do ?

Oh I know what you could just ignore my posts , is that simple enough a task for you ?

It's a messageboard. You're welcome to make your senseless posts. We're all judged by our comments. Keep it up, why would I completely ignore you? I'm still waiting for you to say something sensible about football, though.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:07 pm

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm
we are definitely a team in transaction. we have to pick ourselves up and go and win at Luton nothing less .

Even that is not necessary. A draw away against those teams will be fine if we beat them at home. It’s the run of games we’ve had that makes it feel more critical.

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:07 pm

Sorry but I can`t understand the tatics, I thought from our summer buying of young fast talented players that in games like these we would try and contain then hit them quickly on the break, yet we get penned in and when we win the ball we play it around slowly at the back whilst the opposition reorganise and the moment for a quick break is gone. VK seems to me to decide exactly what game he wants to play because to me he is trying to do one thing with players best suited to another.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:09 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:07 pm
Even that is not necessary. A draw away against those teams will be fine if we beat them at home. It’s the run of games we’ve had that makes it feel more critical.

We have got to win that game

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:10 pm

Odobert looks a player

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:11 pm

I thought we played pretty well. Stats aren't a million miles off a team that beat Sheff United 8-0 last week.

Trafford looked better too, but his distribution is still woeful. None of his long balls reached a Burnley player, none. For me, Muric is the difference between losing and winning.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:12 pm

We are in a very tough situation
Trafford is making saves but his distribution is nowhere near muric level
Al-dakhil is going to make mistakes due to his age, so is Beyer
Midfield not strong enough getting dominated
Trippier dominated Ramsey but couldn’t deal with Odobert, why he didn’t we start with 2 wingers
100m spent but no standouts

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:12 pm

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:11 pm
I thought we played pretty well. Stats aren't a million miles off a team that beat Sheff United 8-0 last week.

Trafford looked better too, but his distribution is still woeful. None of his long balls reached a Burnley player, none. For me, Muric is the difference between losing and winning.

I like Muric but we haven't seen him play against a team which pressed as well as Newcastle did today. They made it really difficult for Trafford.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:14 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:03 pm
That was very poor regardless of the opposition .

Men against boys. Mistakes all over the park. We never looked like scoring . Ponderous, slow, bad decision making, we made them look better than they were as well. From Ramseys stupid mistake to the horrendous defending for their second it wasn’t god enough in the slightest .

Luton is now a huge huge game midweek. If we take nothing from that then we are in deep trouble

We all remember Kieran Trippier, we all know how good he is. We've given debuts to James Trafford (19), Luka Koleosho (19), Aaron Ramsey (20) and Wilson Odobert (18) since the start of the season - current age, as per dob on club's website.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:14 pm

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:11 pm
I thought we played pretty well. Stats aren't a million miles off a team that beat Sheff United 8-0 last week.

Trafford looked better too, but his distribution is still woeful. None of his long balls reached a Burnley player, none. For me, Muric is the difference between losing and winning.

Trafford was our best player today by some distance.

Not sure how adding in a keeper like Muric does anything except make us concede more

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:14 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:12 pm
I like Muric but we haven't seen him play against a team which pressed as well as Newcastle did today. They made it really difficult for Trafford.

There’s an argument to say we really should see what Muric can do against better teams. He earned the right last year.

That’s not anything against Trafford who did well, but it’s also true to say his distribution isn’t there.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:15 pm

Think one of our biggest problems being that VK, and the fans, dont yet know the best starting 11 to have a chance in this league, and as a result the understanding is running at a lower level. We now move to a run of lesser opposition, and I include Chelsea, but silly mistakes need to be minimised

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:16 pm

Unfortunately, we definiitely looked second best for most of the match. Amdouni had that chance and afterwards we barely got out of our half until Odebert came on.

My worry is that we looked to play passes in the wrong zones and strayed from "our" style and it could be an awful time to take on Luton at home after they've just put a few games together. We needed to play them later in the year when their injuries and routine had set in. Important we don't lose. We stayed up for those seasons by not losing to those around us.

Claret1900 · Post by **Claret1900** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:17 pm

Trafford 6
Roberts 5
Al Dakhil 5
Beyer 8*
Taylor 6
Cullen 5
Brownhill 5
Berge 6
Ramsey 4
Koleosho 5
Amdouni 6

Bruun Larsen 7
Rodriguez 6
Odobert 6

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:14 pm
Trafford was our best player today by some distance.

Not sure how adding in a keeper like Muric does anything except make us concede more

We aren’t keeping clean sheets with Trafford being our ‘best player’ id rather have a goalkeeper who can find a Burnley player with his feet, everyone harped on about Taylor not being able to play the system. Nobody can say Trafford is better for the system than muric

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:18 pm

Also fair to say we only lost due to a worldie and a penalty. Overall I thought we defended much better today

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:18 pm

Oh well, I know it's off topic but I just noticed Blackburn are 17th in the league below

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:20 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:14 pm
We all remember Kieran Trippier, we all know how good he is. We've given debuts to James Trafford (19), Luka Koleosho (19), Aaron Ramsey (20) and Wilson Odobert (18) since the start of the season - current age, as per dob on club's website.

Correction: James Trafford dob 10-Oct-2002 on wikipedia - not 10-Oct-2002 as on club player profile.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:20 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:18 pm
We aren’t keeping clean sheets with Trafford being our ‘best player’ id rather have a goalkeeper who can find a Burnley player with his feet, everyone harped on about Taylor not being able to play the system. Nobody can say Trafford is better for the system than muric

This. Trafford probably started more attacks last year than any other player. His distribution from the back is what let us break down stubborn teams.

Not a single long pass from Trafford reached a Burnley player today. Newcastle knew this, so pressed us at the back until he kicked it long.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:22 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:09 pm
We have got to win that game

I don’t think we do. Against the bottom 10 we win at home, draw away, 40pts - job done.

A win would be great though.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:24 pm

Muric, cork, zaroury all in the starting 11 on Tuesday please

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:26 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:18 pm
We aren’t keeping clean sheets with Trafford being our ‘best player’ id rather have a goalkeeper who can find a Burnley player with his feet, everyone harped on about Taylor not being able to play the system. Nobody can say Trafford is better for the system than muric

I just don’t see it.

In fact I suspect VK and his team are not even remotely looking at the GK position.

They have got considerably bigger issues. The defence and midfield right now are miles off it. Changing the keeper does nothing at all to this team.

All I know for certain is Muric concedes more than Trafford. Trafford is a considerably better shot stopper

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:26 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:24 pm
Muric, cork, zaroury all in the starting 11 on Tuesday please

Won't be happening. Traffordn will be hear until the end of the season. Clearly he has photos.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:30 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:26 pm
All I know for certain is Muric concedes more than Trafford. Trafford is a considerably better shot stopper

How do you know that? Can you provide your reasoning?

Muric conceeded 35 goals in 46 matches.
Trafford has conceeded 13 goals in 5 matches.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:31 pm

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:30 pm
How do you know that? Can you provide your reasoning?

Muric conceeded 35 goals in 46 matches.
Trafford has conceeded 13 goals in 5 matches.

Haha give over, your better comparison is BPF to Muric.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm

City lost
United lost
Everton lost
Burnley lost.
Just Liverpool to lose and a full set.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:26 pm
I just don’t see it.

In fact I suspect VK and his team are not even remotely looking at the GK position.

They have got considerably bigger issues. The defence and midfield right now are miles off it. Changing the keeper does nothing at all to this team.

All I know for certain is Muric concedes more than Trafford. Trafford is a considerably better shot stopper

Kompany and the coaching staff will 100% be looking at the keeper position along with the other positions, every good save Trafford has made this season, muric also makes those saves

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:35 pm

FFS We are judging Muric passing out from the back against teams like Blackpool Rotherham Cardiff Blackburn Salford etc etc etc where we dominated possession and had space and time. This is a different league we are the new boys, the undedogs and let's face it the teams apart from Forest we have played are better then us in virtually every position . End of next month judge then.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:36 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:34 pm
Kompany and the coaching staff will 100% be looking at the keeper position along with the other positions, every good save Trafford has made this season, muric also makes those saves

I seriously doubt they will be. With the issues they have elsewhere the GK position won’t even be an issue for them.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:37 pm

Cool heads needed. Inevitably the hyperbole of the summer - nonsense about top 10 finishes - has given way to reality. The summer business looks a little misguided because we have a surfeit of wingers and particularly left wingers, and generally have a couple too many attractive technicians and a corresponding lack of out and out physicality (the absence of Foster has exposed how essential he is to us).

But regardless, it has been tough and whilst we might have hoped to burgle a point or three more, we aren't far behind par. If those footballer can help us control the game against the lesser and mid-ranking teams (Forest was promising on this regard) we can get the points to be in the scrap. It will be a close rub thing I suspect but it was always going to be.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:26 pm
I just don’t see it.

In fact I suspect VK and his team are not even remotely looking at the GK position.

They have got considerably bigger issues. The defence and midfield right now are miles off it. Changing the keeper does nothing at all to this team.

All I know for certain is Muric concedes more than Trafford. Trafford is a considerably better shot stopper

It gives them someone behind them they're more used to, someone who suits the style of play better and someone who can pick a pass better. And sorry, it's by no means certain that Muric concedes more than Trafford at this level, that's a guess at best.

I'll hold my hand up, I've seen nothing from todays game; but equally I've seen nothing so far from Trafford to show me why he was straight in as first-choice this summer apart from his pricetag.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:36 pm
I seriously doubt they will be. With the issues they have elsewhere the GK position won’t even be an issue for them.

A defence that’s conceded 14 goals in 6 games isn’t just the back 4, it involves the keeper to.

We also have a creativity issue, which again in parts starts with the keeper, Trafford at the moment doesn’t have the ability to pick a pass out like muric does

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:41 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:35 pm
FFS We are judging Muric passing out from the back against teams like Blackpool Rotherham Cardiff Blackburn Salford etc etc etc where we dominated possession and had space and time. This is a different league we are the new boys, the undedogs and let's face it the teams apart from Forest we have played are better then us in virtually every position . End of next month judge then.

And we are basing Trafford against teams like Stanley, Wycombe and burton, muric played at a higher level and was a key part of last year

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:41 pm

Enola Gay wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:38 pm
It gives them someone behind them they're more used to, someone who suits the style of play better and someone who can pick a pass better. And sorry, it's by no means certain that Muric concedes more than Trafford at this level, that's a guess at best.

I'll hold my hand up, I've seen nothing from todays game; but equally I've seen nothing so far from Trafford to show me why he was straight in as first-choice this summer apart from his pricetag.

He made arguably the save of the season today to keep us in the game.

I’m sorry but under that press we could have had Ederson in goal. It would have been no different at all.

Our out ball was a long ball to three players under 5.10 against massive defenders.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:43 pm

There can’t be much doubt that Trafford is much better at keeping the ball out of the net. Muric is unquestionably world class with his feet.
Given the number of shots we’re facing Trafford is the better choice

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:43 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:38 pm
A defence that’s conceded 14 goals in 6 games isn’t just the back 4, it involves the keeper to.

We also have a creativity issue, which again in parts starts with the keeper, Trafford at the moment doesn’t have the ability to pick a pass out like muric does

The problem is a large portion of our goals are coming from defensive mistakes. Your judging goals conceded like a Dyche defence, most of the goals conceded come purely from midfield and defence **** ups. There’s nothing a keeper could have done about 95% of the goals this season.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:44 pm

Give Vincent credit. He's clearly making sure nobody steals him from us in January before guiding us to 15 straight wins and getting us into Europe..keep the faith

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:48 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:43 pm
The problem is a large portion of our goals are coming from defensive mistakes. Your judging goals conceded like a Dyche defence, most of the goals conceded come purely from midfield and defence **** ups. There’s nothing a keeper could have done about 95% of the goals this season.

No I’m not I’m saying it’s a collective it’s the back 5, as you are trying to say Trafford won’t be in question, he will be as much in question as the back 4.

You could argue how many times we have given the ball away from poor passes have led to goals

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:49 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:05 pm
It's a messageboard. You're welcome to make your senseless posts. We're all judged by our comments. Keep it up, why would I completely ignore you? I'm still waiting for you to say something sensible about football, though.

I’m still waiting for you to say something sensible about anything.