Cards on the Table…

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:59 pm

I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:02 pm

DId you watch a game in the last year or two we were in the PL?

KellyClaret · Post by **KellyClaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:03 pm

Dyche had gone stale.

We have more points now after 8 games than we did in Dyche's last season.

We've not been brilliant this season but there's many more positives than under Dyche in that last season

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:04 pm

100%

I don't particularly miss Dyche but I'm totally lost with whatever this season's weird experimental brand of football is supposed to be achieving. I thought after Tuesday we'd be well up for getting something from today. That seemed to go out the window when the team sheet came out.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:02 pm
DId you watch a game in the last year or two we were in the PL?

I can’t remember us losing 5 home games in a row under Dyche in the Premier League. You may correct me if I’m wrong.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm

Could do with a mixture of both styles. Dyvhe style was horrendous for our attacking threat and Vinnys is the exact opposite, although much much more better to watch.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:08 pm

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm
Could do with a mixture of both styles. Dyvhe style was horrendous for our attacking threat and Vinnys is the exact opposite, although much much more better to watch.

Is this really all that much better to watch? We’re conceding goals at home for fun. Once we concede a second, we just roll over.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm
I can’t remember us losing 5 home games in a row under Dyche in the Premier League. You may correct me if I’m wrong.

I can't remember such a hard run of 5 consecutive fixtures either to start a season under him. Both Manchester clubs, Untied still have World class players, a rejuvenated Spurs, a top class Villa and Chelsea who've spent a billion quid.

Frustrating as it is, and I'm not making excuses but I'll judge where we are after our next 3 or 4 home games..

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:13 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm
I can't remember such a hard run of 5 consecutive fixtures either to start a season under him. Both Manchester clubs, Untied still have World class players, a rejuvenated Spurs, a top class Villa and Chelsea who've spent a billion quid.

Frustrating as it is, and I'm not making excuses but I'll judge where we are after our next 3 or 4 home games..

That’s fair enough, but Man Utd were there for the taking, and Villa were also given an easy ride by us.

We’re now under so much pressure to get something out of our next three. Another couple of points or three would’ve relived that.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:14 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm
I can’t remember us losing 5 home games in a row under Dyche in the Premier League. You may correct me if I’m wrong.

True. But I wouldn’t want to watch that ****e again if it meant we never played in this again.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:15 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm
I can't remember such a hard run of 5 consecutive fixtures either to start a season under him. Both Manchester clubs, Untied still have World class players, a rejuvenated Spurs, a top class Villa and Chelsea who've spent a billion quid.

Frustrating as it is, and I'm not making excuses but I'll judge where we are after our next 3 or 4 home games..

You missed out Newcastle who put 8 put Sheff Utd and 4 past PSG

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:15 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm
I can't remember such a hard run of 5 consecutive fixtures either to start a season under him. Both Manchester clubs, Untied still have World class players, a rejuvenated Spurs, a top class Villa and Chelsea who've spent a billion quid.

Frustrating as it is, and I'm not making excuses but I'll judge where we are after our next 3 or 4 home games..

Compared to the Toffees who have been playing the likes of Luton, Sheffield United, Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth etc. Surely, tougher tests await them.

Terry Cochrane · Post by **Terry Cochrane** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:17 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:15 pm
Compared to the Toffees who have been playing the likes of Luton, Sheffield United, Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth etc. Surely, tougher tests await them.

Absolutely - 100% agree.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:17 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:14 pm
True. But I wouldn’t want to watch that ****e again if it meant we never played in this again.

That “shite” kept us in the top flight for 6 years, with two top ten finishes and a trip in Europe.
It did go stale in the end, but believe me, getting smashed at home week after week will also pale very quickly.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:17 pm

I'd rather watch a Kompany team in League one than the last 2-3 years of Dyche. His achievements to keep us up were incredible but more than anything I want to be entertained. This season is a struggle as expected, last season was the most enjoyable in the 40 years I've watched us.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:18 pm

If the home tonkings continue then unfortunately Kompany going to get the bullet.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:18 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:15 pm
Compared to the Toffees who have been playing the likes of Luton, Sheffield United, Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth etc. Surely, tougher tests await them.

They lost to Luton, yet now have more points in the bag than we do. Some insulation for them when they face these tougher tests.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:19 pm

claretdj wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:18 pm
If the home tonkings continue then unfortunately Kompany going to get the bullet.

Indeed. He’s not unpottable.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:20 pm

Another day, another Dyche thread. Some people are going to be really confused during that game at Goodison soon.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:21 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm
I can’t remember us losing 5 home games in a row under Dyche in the Premier League. You may correct me if I’m wrong.

I loved what Dyche did. I loved that our owners were suupporteers from the area. I loved having british players from the north. I loved that SD "understood" the town. I loved that nobody could bully us. I loved that Tarks, Mee, Wood, Barnes etc would knock teams about.

That style had no future. Even prmotions under him were hard on the eye for much of them. We were struggling to recruit. There was a narrative against us. We couldn't sign cheap players any more because bigger clubs were in and offering more.

I accept we needed a new business model. A new blueprint. That involves youth with all the frustrations that it entails. We look naive and that infuriates me.

I'm with the programme, though. Our goal today was glorious. We will grow. We may end up easily safe. We may end up struggling all year like most SD teams. I'll keep behind it. I'll keep supporting it until it isn't breathing any more.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:21 pm

Dyche just lacked funding.

He’s a considerably better manager than VK. It’s light and day.

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:22 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:59 pm
I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

Nice bait
You cannot genuinely be serious can you?

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:22 pm

God's sake. Football fans are hilariously reactionary, revisionist and fickle. Sense of time and progress goes out the window in a heartbeat. One of the reasons managers aren't given enough time to ever see a project through.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:23 pm

Tell me you don’t understand football without telling me you don’t understand football

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:24 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:17 pm
That “shite” kept us in the top flight for 6 years, with two top ten finishes and a trip in Europe.
It did go stale in the end, but believe me, getting smashed at home week after week will also pale very quickly.

Nope. Still would never want it back, even if we never played at this level again. Absolute bore fest (although this is nothing against SD - just I don’t want that era of football back, even if it means not playing in the PL again).

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:24 pm

i would have SD back tomorrow. Legend

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:26 pm

Dyche good at buying established players with absolutely no sell on value.
Kompany developing a team of young raw talent which is the only way we can exist long term at this level.We will get some spankings but we will also beat a lot of teams too.
Keep the faith
Notice most of this posted during the game,do you go on?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:27 pm

This team that a world class defender built can't defend simple has that

The players he's spent 100 million plus on is too small, weak and inexperienced and will be lucky to pick up 30 points

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:28 pm

I'll be worried if we are still in the bottom three after we've played the likes of Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Everton, Wolves, Palace etc.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:33 pm

This does get boring week after week . Nobody was moaning last season ( after October) when we were privileged to watch some great attractive football .

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:35 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:33 pm
This does get boring week after week . Nobody was moaning last season ( after October) when we were privileged to watch some great attractive football .

What a stupid comment WHY WOULD WE BE MOANING LAST SEASON, This season last season, apple's orange's

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:37 pm

Very early days yet and we have played a lot of the top sides.
However we need to at least be a yo yo club from Championship to Premier League or if we go down and stay down in Championship for a few years funding will cease and the club will be in a mess

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:39 pm

Dyche worked within a particularly tight budget and opted to go for a quality keeper/defence and keep things tight...defensive players are cheaper than attacking players.
Using wing backs and lop the ball over into the box with Austin, Ings and Vokes...bingo it's a hard fought ....1-0 win..
Trying to play pretty passing football in the PL we are going to get outdone by the more talented, fluid, expensively assembled top teams.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:40 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:59 pm
I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

I actually said, a Dyche side wouldn’t have got beat today.
**** knows what Kompany sees in Trafford, he’s bang average.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:41 pm

We need to get back to a settled team like last season.
If everyone fit I’d like to see Muric at keeper and then Ekdal and Beyer at centre half. We should have signed a younger version of Cork and bar Larson none of the wingers we’ve tried so far are much improvement on Benson and Zaroury.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:43 pm

Didn't we get battered by Chelsea every time we played them at home when it was a Dyche team?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:45 pm

Commy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:43 pm
Didn't we get battered by Chelsea every time we played them at home when it was a Dyche team?

Not sure that’s much of an excuse didn’t think they were anything special today and other teams have shown they are beatable.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:46 pm

Commy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:43 pm
Didn't we get battered by Chelsea every time we played them at home when it was a Dyche team?

Tbf commy Chelsea over the past seasons were premier league winners, champions league winners etc….

This lot were knowhere near the level of Chelsea of old

LowtonClaret · Post by **LowtonClaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:49 pm

There is no doubt we have a collection of young and talented players however, a mixture of naivety and inexperience is hurting us at this level! Knowing and playing the best 11 would be a start allowing them to understand each other. Just my thoughts.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:50 pm

I feel the same way watching this as I did the last season under Dyche. It's frustrating and depressing.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:53 pm

Dyche is almost on the verge of being Hounded out of Everton after less than a year. The football under that man was utterly woeful.

The reason we are being battered is because we are trying to play and are a bit open. We just aren’t quite good enough against the better sides to pull it off, but i think we can beat enough of the bottom half teams with this style. We do need a good solid centre half, centre midfielder who’s comfortable on the ball.

We need to play Muric instead of Trafford aswell. Trafford is way too green for the PL. he’s a cracking shot stopper but that’s where it ends.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:53 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:35 pm
What a stupid comment WHY WOULD WE BE MOANING LAST SEASON, This season last season, apple's orange's

There were loads moaning at this stage last season. That's because they were plums.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:57 pm

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:18 pm
They lost to Luton, yet now have more points in the bag than we do. Some insulation for them when they face these tougher tests.

The cushion for Everton is only a small scatter cushion and not a bean bag.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:57 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm
I can't remember such a hard run of 5 consecutive fixtures either to start a season... ...judge where we are after our next 3 or 4 home games..

Looking at this evening's table we've played only two teams who are in the bottom half of the table and have earned four points from those

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:59 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:40 pm
I actually said, a Dyche side wouldn’t have got beat today.
**** knows what Kompany sees in Trafford, he’s bang average.

Don’t remember Dyche taking points off Chelsea at the turf? My memory is they just score 3 or 4 whenever they visit.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:00 pm

We can’t play any worse so that’s a bonus, onwards and upwards.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:03 pm

We literally (imo) pressed the self destruct button today and that's the most galling thing about it. The OG is extremely unfortunate and I can't apportion blame I don't feel, but the other three are utterly awful and down to us rather than Chelsea. However, I still prefer watching this team (I think?)
PS. Berge was immense on Tuesday, but absolutely dreadful today. Is he someone who shines against the "dross"/also rans, but can't compete with the big boys???

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:06 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:57 pm
Looking at this evening's table we've played only two teams who are in the bottom half of the table and have earned four points from those

Chelsea were in the bottom half and still are

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:07 pm

We are seriously lacking leaders in our side for the premier league. Norwich under Farke were the same and they struggled massively. We need a plan B.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:09 pm

We aren't good enough to stay up, I've seen nothing from the squad or management to convince me otherwise.
Spent big money on a load of bang average players.
Tactics are shocking, the so called easy on the eye style we play is utter dross I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.