Has VK Lost the dressing room?
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Has VK Lost the dressing room?
No fight , no desire, no confidence, no leadership. Get beat off palace and I think Pace will have to think about what is next. This cannot carry on unless they’ve said we will take a hit this season and come back up. But I highly doubt the ambitious little leprechaun will be happy watching this tripe like the rest of us .
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
I don’t think so, perhaps some respect from certain players who got us up (Muric for example) and that would be understandable in the circumstances
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
We will take a hit this season and come back up.
And be better for it.
As it is, well have to put up with more and more "fans" on here chucking their toys out of the pram for a few more months yet.
And be better for it.
As it is, well have to put up with more and more "fans" on here chucking their toys out of the pram for a few more months yet.
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
Without being in the dressing room nobody can answer this question with any accuracy.
What I will say is that the lack of leaders, experience and know how is telling on the pitch. The players heads drop the second we go two behind in every single game. The decision to release Barnes, not play Cork and not sign many players over the age of 23 or so appears a massive, possibly irredeemable error by the club. I say club as opposed to Kompany, as this is partly borne from Pace's strategy of wanting to flip for profit.
Kompany has a job till he decides to leave if it was up to me, relegation or not. I said the same for Dyche. I doubt Pace will feel the same way sadly, as he has already shown he will not remain patient if relegation is on the horizon.
What I will say is that the lack of leaders, experience and know how is telling on the pitch. The players heads drop the second we go two behind in every single game. The decision to release Barnes, not play Cork and not sign many players over the age of 23 or so appears a massive, possibly irredeemable error by the club. I say club as opposed to Kompany, as this is partly borne from Pace's strategy of wanting to flip for profit.
Kompany has a job till he decides to leave if it was up to me, relegation or not. I said the same for Dyche. I doubt Pace will feel the same way sadly, as he has already shown he will not remain patient if relegation is on the horizon.
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Only takes a few disgruntled players to change a dressing room. Barnes ran the dressing room by all accounts too last season.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:53 pmI don’t think so, perhaps some respect from certain players who got us up (Muric for example) and that would be understandable in the circumstances
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
If he hasn’t I can’t see it being long before he does.
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Write the season off now, but VK should still be at the helm next season.
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Honestly if you want to spend your free time watching that for the rest of the season, then more fool you. You’re not a loyal supporter, you’re a customer being taken for a ride.evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:54 pmWe will take a hit this season and come back up.
And be better for it.
As it is, well have to put up with more and more "fans" on here chucking their toys out of the pram for a few more months yet.
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101 points last season, instant promotion back to the top flight and the fans have turned in November despite being out in your thousands outside the town hall celebrating VK in May. But the saviour got all the time in the world while signing Will Norris and Dale Stephens, one of the worst fanbases in the country Burnley.
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I think he will soon. Players won’t buy into this and it’s demoralising for them. Soon the players will be kicking off expecting defeat like most fans. No leaders, no organisation, no threat, shocking defence , weak and feeble. How can the players feel positive other than about their pay cheque.
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You do realise 'The Saviour' signed those two clowns because his transfer budget was £0 as opposed to £100m+?Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:01 pm101 points last season, instant promotion back to the top flight and the fans have turned in November despite being out in your thousands outside the town hall celebrating VK in May. But the saviour got all the time in the world while signing Will Norris and Dale Stephens, one of the worst fanbases in the country Burnley.
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They could look at themselves (collectively) and try to stick together and work at improving their game.Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:01 pmI think he will soon. Players won’t buy into this and it’s demoralising for them. Soon the players will be kicking off expecting defeat like most fans. No leaders, no organisation, no threat, shocking defence , weak and feeble. How can the players feel positive other than about their pay cheque.
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He hasn't lost the dressing room he has lost himself. Feel sorry for the guy. His interviews since Chelsea, his body language and his booking tonight indicate he is a broken man, and despite what he says will have the world on his shoulders, Not sure how much pressure the back ground team are taking off him, or if they are offering any encouragement. But he desperately needs it
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You forgot that SD "chased" both Norris and Stephens for more than one season.jedi_master wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:02 pmYou do realise 'The Saviour' signed those two clowns because his transfer budget was £0 as opposed to £100m+?
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The fact remains he had a transfer budget of essentially the cost of one Haffner's pie from our Fanzone so it seems a bizarre stick to beat him with. It was either them two or nothing.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:06 pmYou forgot that SD "chased" both Norris and Stephens for more than one season.
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I’ll be staying off here for a while I think.
There appears to be a contest to see who can out gobshite each other.
It’s difficult at the moment but we’ve key players to come back and there is a bloody long way to go this season.
Folk need to calm down and keep the faith,
There appears to be a contest to see who can out gobshite each other.
It’s difficult at the moment but we’ve key players to come back and there is a bloody long way to go this season.
Folk need to calm down and keep the faith,
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I love VK by the way and this is hurting seeing him look way out of his depth. Unfortunately the signings were beyond naive and his tactics at the moment are as useless as the players we have. I just can’t see any character or identity in this team anymore. It’s tragic
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
No, the fact remains that he would have signed them for money if he had enough.jedi_master wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:07 pmThe fact remains he had a transfer budget of essentially the cost of one Haffner's pie from our Fanzone so it seems a bizarre stick to beat him with. It was either them two or nothing.
I'm not hitting him with anything. Merely remembering quotes from SD about those signings.
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What did we do when we first came up under Dyche?
Exactly...
Exactly...
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CompetedBelgianclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:09 pmWhat did we do when we first came up under Dyche?
Exactly...
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Good point.Belgianclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:09 pmWhat did we do when we first came up under Dyche?
Exactly...
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I think he has.
Too many individuals to keep happy in the same positions.
Yet seemingly continuing to pick underperforming players.
Over the last few weeks his manor and demeanor on the touchline has changed, he looks beaten.
We put making profit ahead of the squad this season. By signing lots of show pony wingers instead of in key areas required.
We have been naive in the boardroom and dressing room as it seems Kompany is fully involved in this journey. We picked sell for profit rather than survival, missing the key point that survival is key to securing the finances needed to continue this journey. We should have balanced this. With a few players with potential and a solid squad. Instead it feels as though we've a squad with potential and only a few solid players.
How many young lads feel there developing when there getting pumped each week.
We'll end up doing some of these kids careers harm. Trafford should have been taken out of the firing line weeks ago for his own good never mind the teams.
Too many individuals to keep happy in the same positions.
Yet seemingly continuing to pick underperforming players.
Over the last few weeks his manor and demeanor on the touchline has changed, he looks beaten.
We put making profit ahead of the squad this season. By signing lots of show pony wingers instead of in key areas required.
We have been naive in the boardroom and dressing room as it seems Kompany is fully involved in this journey. We picked sell for profit rather than survival, missing the key point that survival is key to securing the finances needed to continue this journey. We should have balanced this. With a few players with potential and a solid squad. Instead it feels as though we've a squad with potential and only a few solid players.
How many young lads feel there developing when there getting pumped each week.
We'll end up doing some of these kids careers harm. Trafford should have been taken out of the firing line weeks ago for his own good never mind the teams.
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Not sure about the dressing room.
But, not sure how we get out of this. The team is physically weak and doesn’t have the ability to make up for it.
Horrid mismanagement (again).
But, not sure how we get out of this. The team is physically weak and doesn’t have the ability to make up for it.
Horrid mismanagement (again).
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Thing is we had local owners then. They got the bigger picture. I’m not sure ALK doBelgianclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:09 pmWhat did we do when we first came up under Dyche?
Exactly...
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4-0 West Brom was a class day out.
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Get in the bin.Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:01 pm101 points last season, instant promotion back to the top flight and the fans have turned in November despite being out in your thousands outside the town hall celebrating VK in May. But the saviour got all the time in the world while signing Will Norris and Dale Stephens, one of the worst fanbases in the country Burnley.
1) Do you think Dyche really wanted to just sign Stephens and Norris? Muppet
2) One of the best actually - away following is mega considering the size of the town
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Totally agree with the above comments. 'Lost' was the word I used talking to people after the Chelsea defeat; that was nearly a month ago. I don't agree with feeling sorry for him, however.warksclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:05 pmHe hasn't lost the dressing room he has lost himself. Feel sorry for the guy. His interviews since Chelsea, his body language and his booking tonight indicate he is a broken man, and despite what he says will have the world on his shoulders, Not sure how much pressure the back ground team are taking off him, or if they are offering any encouragement. But he desperately needs it
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I feel like I've lost the team a little too. Without being ridiculed let me explain. Last year the connection between the players and the fans was incredible, led by loan players giving their all for the shirt..last minute winners, never say die attitude, straining every last sinew for the cause and clearly loving every minute. You could pick the side pretty much, and consistency both with selection and performance was there.
This year is the polar opposite. Yes it's easier when you're winning obviously, and playing in a lesser division but I feel the vast majority of these players just don't have last year's spirit. As has been mentioned THB's no nonsense defending, Tella's pace and infectious enthusiasm, Barnes love for the club, his spirit and experience has all gone.
The Championship winning team has been dismantled right in front of our eyes and replaced with what I fear are young potential players who fit our business model rather than our imminent football requirements..
As a Clarets fan for 40 years I'll be giving everything to get behind the team on Saturday, as I'm sure the vast majority of fellow clarets will, but deep down that nagging feeling of a lot of wasted hard work is still there...
This year is the polar opposite. Yes it's easier when you're winning obviously, and playing in a lesser division but I feel the vast majority of these players just don't have last year's spirit. As has been mentioned THB's no nonsense defending, Tella's pace and infectious enthusiasm, Barnes love for the club, his spirit and experience has all gone.
The Championship winning team has been dismantled right in front of our eyes and replaced with what I fear are young potential players who fit our business model rather than our imminent football requirements..
As a Clarets fan for 40 years I'll be giving everything to get behind the team on Saturday, as I'm sure the vast majority of fellow clarets will, but deep down that nagging feeling of a lot of wasted hard work is still there...
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If he rants at the players like he did to the ones at Anderlecht then I can’t imagine anyone wanting to play for him.
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There's definitely not the same feel to this group now.
To much change has seen to that.
I'm not at all after his head but if the performances continues like this I wouldnt be at all surprised to see pace fire vk. It's just so far off what was expected. No fight, no quality and no connection to the fans.
As someone has said on another thread, if feels as the fans are getting pulled up a little by the club at times.
What do you expect. Its my lads first season ticket this year and he is already not fussed for going on saturday there has been no exciting days for him to get him hooked.
Tough games I know but it's pretty desperate football now.
To much change has seen to that.
I'm not at all after his head but if the performances continues like this I wouldnt be at all surprised to see pace fire vk. It's just so far off what was expected. No fight, no quality and no connection to the fans.
As someone has said on another thread, if feels as the fans are getting pulled up a little by the club at times.
What do you expect. Its my lads first season ticket this year and he is already not fussed for going on saturday there has been no exciting days for him to get him hooked.
Tough games I know but it's pretty desperate football now.
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1) go back and read Dyche’s quotes when we signed those two. And a few more of the dross he signed.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:15 pmGet in the bin.
1) Do you think Dyche really wanted to just sign Stephens and Norris? Muppet
2) One of the best actually - away following is mega considering the size of the town
2) ‘away following is mega’ when it’s going well. Watch the loyalty points arguments disappear now we’re not doing as well.
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We submitted ~7 bids for Dale Stephens over the course of Dyche’s tenure.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:15 pmGet in the bin.
1) Do you think Dyche really wanted to just sign Stephens
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I agree with all of that.Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:16 pmI feel like I've lost the team a little too. Without being ridiculed let me explain. Last year the connection between the players and the fans was incredible, led by loan players giving their all for the shirt..last minute winners, never say die attitude, straining every last sinew for the cause and clearly loving every minute. You could pick the side pretty much, and consistently both with selection and performance was there.
This year is the polar opposite. Yes it's easier when you're winning obviously, and playing in a lesser division but I feel the vast majority of these players just don't have last year's spirit. As has been mentioned THB's no nonsense defending, Tella's pace and infectious enthusiasm, Barnes love for the club, his spirit and experience has all gone.
The Championship winning team has been dismantled right in front of our eyes and replaced with what I fear are young potential players who fit our business model rather than our imminent football requirements..
As a Clarets fan for 40 years I'll be giving everything to get behind the team on Saturday, as I'm sure the vast majority of fellow clarets will, but deep down that nagging feeling of a lot of wasted hard work is still there...
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It’s disappointing but unsurprising you hold such a low opinion of fellow fans.evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:54 pmWe will take a hit this season and come back up.
And be better for it.
As it is, well have to put up with more and more "fans" on here chucking their toys out of the pram for a few more months yet.
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Wouldn’t go that far, but there is a worrying trend emerging. Once we go a goal down there’s a real lack of desire and belief we can get back into the game. You expect more defeats in the PL, but the manner in which we’re whimpering out of games is happening too often now for it to be coincidental.
In the second half against Bournemouth we didn’t have a shot on target. It took until the 91st tonight. It’s really hard to fathom what we’re trying to do in games. It’s hard to notice any recurring patterns of play, or urgency of movement to stretch the opposition.
It’s all starting to feel a little futile and you get the sense it’s feeding its way into the players. I think it would be daft to sack Kompany this soon, but he very quickly needs to earn his crust and regain some control over things.
A draw, let alone a win is looking like a monumental task currently. Unless Kompany can change the narrative, rather ominously our Chairman does have prior form for being a little trigger happy.
In the second half against Bournemouth we didn’t have a shot on target. It took until the 91st tonight. It’s really hard to fathom what we’re trying to do in games. It’s hard to notice any recurring patterns of play, or urgency of movement to stretch the opposition.
It’s all starting to feel a little futile and you get the sense it’s feeding its way into the players. I think it would be daft to sack Kompany this soon, but he very quickly needs to earn his crust and regain some control over things.
A draw, let alone a win is looking like a monumental task currently. Unless Kompany can change the narrative, rather ominously our Chairman does have prior form for being a little trigger happy.
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Sean Dyche also wanted Sam Clucas after we made it to Europe.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:18 pmSo what? He was a decent player, obviously a shadow when we got him.
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ALK will be worried their investment strategy is failing. Players do not command the same fee after relegation. Some of these signings will not be wanted by anyone else, as they've failed to prove they are good enough.
JJ Watt will not be happy, neither will the YouTube guys.
Kompany could very well be on thin ice. The board have previous with Dyche, and Mr Jackson and Mr Jenkins are still in the building to step in like they did last time.
JJ Watt will not be happy, neither will the YouTube guys.
Kompany could very well be on thin ice. The board have previous with Dyche, and Mr Jackson and Mr Jenkins are still in the building to step in like they did last time.
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I don’t think anyone is chucking their toys out in all honesty.
Just very disappointed in what we’ve seen this year which is absolutely fair.
Can’t take being told we’re just fine and go along with that delusion because we aren’t.
Give him more time but some of these displays are terrible - he’s been backed so has to own it!
Just very disappointed in what we’ve seen this year which is absolutely fair.
Can’t take being told we’re just fine and go along with that delusion because we aren’t.
Give him more time but some of these displays are terrible - he’s been backed so has to own it!
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IAmAClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:20 pmALK will be worried their investment strategy is failing. Players do not command the same fee after relegation. Some of these signings will not be wanted by anyone else, as they've failed to prove they are good enough.
JJ Watt will not be happy, neither will the YouTube guys.
Kompany could very well be on thin ice. The board have previous with Dyche, and Mr Jackson and Mr Jenkins are still in the building to step in like they did last time.
Jj watt has mysteriously gone very quiet all of a sudden
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Same ones who bought their season ticket when we went up and wont renew if we go downevensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:54 pmWe will take a hit this season and come back up.
And be better for it.
As it is, well have to put up with more and more "fans" on here chucking their toys out of the pram for a few more months yet.
Them
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Except he didnt have £100 million to spend in any close season and I wager had he had a decent budget in 2021-22 we would have stayed upMilltown1882 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:01 pm101 points last season, instant promotion back to the top flight and the fans have turned in November despite being out in your thousands outside the town hall celebrating VK in May. But the saviour got all the time in the world while signing Will Norris and Dale Stephens, one of the worst fanbases in the country Burnley.
But who knows
Potting VK would be a bad idea unless we have someone in mind who could bring on these young talented players VK has brought in and tighten up the defence.
I mean look at the stats tonight 1 shot on target versus Everton 5 3 shots v 14 but 62% possession. WTF were we doing with the ball? And even worse our shot on target was in the 95th minute
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Well something isn’t right, that much is obvious.
Maybe not the whole dressing room, but I reckon there’ll be discontent amongst some- perhaps the lads that did the hard work and got us promoted yet have been so easily discarded.
I just can’t comprehend how and why we’ve ripped everything up that was so successful last year. We wiped the floor with Bournemouth last year, and more than matched Utd at Old Trafford.
This season is turning into a disaster.
Maybe not the whole dressing room, but I reckon there’ll be discontent amongst some- perhaps the lads that did the hard work and got us promoted yet have been so easily discarded.
I just can’t comprehend how and why we’ve ripped everything up that was so successful last year. We wiped the floor with Bournemouth last year, and more than matched Utd at Old Trafford.
This season is turning into a disaster.
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Nope was 2018.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:22 pmKey part:
After we made it to Europe
Also pretty certain it was the season before, before he chose Stoke or Swansea or something
Dyche x Garlick took a £44m profit AND Europe and didn’t improve the starting XI. A hideous window.
This window we’ve just had is proving to be just as bad in terms of mismanagement.
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I get the impression that some of you are almost willing him to get the sack. From Town Hall hero to the town pariah in a matter of months. What a fickle bunch of embarrassing plastics we have become.
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
Before I answer the question, what does “lost the dressing room” mean?
Are we talking about the players not liking VK? Not respecting him? Not believing in his methods?
And if we are talking about any of the above, is the logical extension that it’s impacting their performance or effort levels to the extent that they’d torpedo their own progress or finances in pursuit of seeing him sacked?
I ask all of the above in the context that not very long ago several of the existing squad were very complimentary about VK & his staff’s approach and a regular theme when we sign players is how impressive a character he is to deal with. Has all that changed for the majority of the “dressing room” with less than a third of the season played?
Are we talking about the players not liking VK? Not respecting him? Not believing in his methods?
And if we are talking about any of the above, is the logical extension that it’s impacting their performance or effort levels to the extent that they’d torpedo their own progress or finances in pursuit of seeing him sacked?
I ask all of the above in the context that not very long ago several of the existing squad were very complimentary about VK & his staff’s approach and a regular theme when we sign players is how impressive a character he is to deal with. Has all that changed for the majority of the “dressing room” with less than a third of the season played?
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
Difficult to say from the outside if he's lost the dressing room, realistically. Not like they're openly downing tools.
But I think it's hard to imagine the players aren't going into these games knowing/feeling what's likely going to happen atm, and that makes it difficult for them.
But I think it's hard to imagine the players aren't going into these games knowing/feeling what's likely going to happen atm, and that makes it difficult for them.
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
If you think Dyche dictated how much to spend in a window then let’s not bother.
Wildly known he was at loggerheads with Garlick for these exact reasons
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Re: Has VK Lost the dressing room?
Not me. I’m gutted it’s turning out this way. Just trying to work out what’s going on. The cohesion of the squad has gone and I’m wondering if it can be saved .Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:28 pmI get the impression that some of you are almost willing him to get the sack. From Town Hall hero to the town pariah in a matter of months. What a fickle bunch of embarrassing plastics we have become.