AV we got a thread v Burnley or is this it?

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:51 pm
VAR

So regardless if it’s the right decision, dear me , don’t know why I even bothered asking

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:54 pm

Just look at the state of that defensive “line”.

What do these guys practice in the training ground? Laughable.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:54 pm

A good half from us, but so weak in defence again.

Although a good finish from Amdouni, he’s been a peripheral figure again. A very good half from Foster, who’s been a real handful.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
When you go away to Villa, what’s their biggest threat? Watkins running in behind.

What have we allowed to happen time and time again? Yes, you guessed it. Incredible.

Fair but we’ve also caused them lots of problems with our set up today. It’s a better pass from both Vitinho and Gudmundsson to release a player 1 v 1 and toe nail from Foster for the offside.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

Foster is a class player. The shining light so far.

Shaun1983 · Post by **Shaun1983** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:52 pm
Would it not make him miss Spurs in the cup?

Think five yellows means he misses next league game. A straight red for anyone would mean they miss the spurs game I believe

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Not sure what Delcroix and O’Shea have done wrong today?

Just seems like easy targets for some?

Think they’ve largely been fine. Villa’s threat has been out wide and cut backs into our box. Vitinho has been decent recently but struggled today, Taylor has been even worse and left a country mile of space to play Villa on for their second. Very frustrating as going the other way we’ve been brilliant.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

Claretforever wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
The offside calls were both correct.

Have a look at Foster’s foot - it’s massive - the pixels haven’t been kind to us

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Not sure what Delcroix and O’Shea have done wrong today?

Just seems like easy targets for some?

He let Watkins run right across him, unchallenged for first. He is very slow on the ball and he is struggling here.

Delacroix , not sure, but the whole back line is so wide open to those through balls.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

Give it a rest.
What would you have done differently?

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

Do the honourable thing and stop posting ********

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

Haha!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:54 pm
Just look at the state of that defensive “line”.

What do these guys practice in the training ground? Laughable.

Agree, but not just the line - the back four getting pulled all over the show too - positionally inept.

JLR81 · Post by **JLR81** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

getting to the point now where there's no point taking corners

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

This is just the tale of our season. Play some decent stuff but defensively we are just knowhere near good enough.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

chekhov wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Foster is a class player. The shining light so far.

He’s superb. Physically a match for any Premier League centre half it seems.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Based on above Foster doesn’t look offside ?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

2-1 down at 2nd place Villa and performed at least as well as them from an attacking perspective….and you want Kompany gone?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Think they’ve largely been fine. Villa’s threat has been out wide and cut backs into our box. Vitinho has been decent recently but struggled today, Taylor has been even worse and left a country mile of space to play Villa on for their second. Very frustrating as going the other way we’ve been brilliant.

Agreed - the full backs have struggled and our midfield hasn’t been following runners back into the box.

Blaming O’Shea or Delcroix is just scapegoating at its worse for me.

Obviously this is a tough place to go - not anywhere near as bad as some are making out

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Just do the honourable thing Kompany and resign!

What a stupid post.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm
Give it a rest.
What would you have done differently?

Not giving away my expertise for free

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Our inability to stop teams scoring soft goals against us is truly criminal

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm
Agree, but not just the line - the back four getting pulled all over the show too - positionally inept.

Yes the positioning is awful as well.

How we expect to come away to these stadiums and get anything when the defensive coaching is this bad is beyond me.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

Strange one this. I think Gudmundsson has been poor today, I'd change him for Tresor.

At the back I think we've seen both sides of Vitinho, started well but has made some bad decisions on the ball.

Delcroix looks like a rabbit in the headlights right now.

The defence as a unit has been poor for both goals, but we're having a much tougher time on the left as oppose to the right. The second goal Berge has the runner but let's him go, can't really fault O'Shea but some will try too. The big mistake is not getting the offside right, which both full backs looked culpable for.

I actually thought up until their second goal we'd started moving the ball about with a bit more confidence. There's somthing here for us if we can cut the errors out.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Not sure what Delcroix and O’Shea have done wrong today?

Just seems like easy targets for some?

O’Shea allowed his player to collect the ball and the space to turn and run for their first
Out of position for the second - but probably covering for Delcroix who was just watching

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

If we can score 3 in the second half we might get a point. At least it sounds like we're causing problems. Are Ekdal and AAD fit? I can't understand how Delcroix can be in front of those two.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

Is he not bored of letting in boat loads of goals yet?

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm

We’ve definitely improved in our overall play the last few weeks ,but how can an ex world class defender manage a team that’s so careless at the back?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:59 pm

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm
Strange one this. I think Gudmundsson has been poor today, I'd change him for Tresor.

At the back I think we've seen both sides of Vitinho, started well but has made some bad decisions on the ball.

Delcroix looks like a rabbit in the headlights right now.

The defence as a unit has been poor for both goals, but we're having a much tougher time on the left as oppose to the right. The second goal Berge has the runner but let's him go, can't really fault O'Shea but some will try too. The big mistake is not getting the offside right, which both full backs looked capable for.

I actually thought up until their second goal we'd started moving the ball about with a bit more confidence. There's somthing here for us if we can cut the errors out.

Delcroix is awful.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:59 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:57 pm
Based on above Foster doesn’t look offside ?

Crazy, when you consider his left foot was in his own half.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Any way Come on Burnley!!!!

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:00 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Not sure what Delcroix and O’Shea have done wrong today?

Just seems like easy targets for some?

Watch Delcroix on the second goal after the balls gone in behind him. He hasnt a clue. Any centre back worth his salt would have sprinted back and got into position around the front post area where he would have cut the cross out no problem.

And no its not because hes an easy target. I dont really have any opinion on Delcroix, not seen enough of him but that was rank bad. As was his right footed pass straight to a Villa player before it when he really obviously should have punted it. I thought we were fairly solid centrally until he came on

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:00 pm

We're still improving ......Delcroix is either very nervous or very crap, Villa are a top side.
Vitinho cannot pass a ball...we need better. Beyer too fragile?
Hopefully we can get some reinforcements in Jan.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:00 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
So regardless if it’s the right decision, dear me , don’t know why I even bothered asking

No, neither do I.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:01 pm

jlup1980 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm
If we can score 3 in the second half we might get a point. At least it sounds like we're causing problems. Are Ekdal and AAD fit? I can't understand how Delcroix can be in front of those two.

Delcroix (as yet) hasn’t done much wrong today but I agree in general. I haven’t seen anything from him to mark him out as anything other than a cheap fourth/fifth choice centre back from a poor league. Al-Dakhil really struggled early on, but who didn’t? Weird that others have been given so many chances to get used to the level but he’s been cast aside really.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:01 pm

Don’t want to single any player out, but positional play of Delcroix is worrying sometimes.
That being said, O Shea should have blocked the cross.

Not too far off, but margins still unfavourable to us

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:01 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:00 pm
We're still improving ......Delcroix is either very nervous or very crap, Villa are a top side.
Vitinho cannot pass a ball...we need better. Beyer too fragile?
Hopefully we can get some reinforcements in Jan.

Get someone in who has a clue how to set up a defence would be a start!

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:01 pm

we have played well going forward but like all season our defending as let us down and you can't switch off in this league..

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm

Delcroix isn’t good enough for a prem side. Got absolute pelters when I said this on his first start. He hasn’t improved and still not good enough

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm

Playing well overall but still too easy to score against. Vitinho os even worse than Delacroix.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm

Anyway Come on Burnley!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm

chekhov wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:59 pm
Crazy, when you consider his left foot was in his own half.

That's irrelevant

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm

Is Luton a must win for us?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:03 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm
O’Shea allowed his player to collect the ball and the space to turn and run for their first
Out of position for the second - but probably covering for Delcroix who was just watching

You want O’Shea running out to marshal Watkins? That’s on the fullbacks for a forward drifting wide - if a centre half pulls wide they leave a gaping hole in the middle like.

This isn’t a Dyche 4-4-2 where everyone is compact and we have people behind the ball man - defending in space is vastly different

Again - Delcroix a scapegoat, he’s positioned absolutely fine for the second goal.

Really not sure what some people watch sometimes

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Takes a bigger man to concede you can’t do the job.

Step away Vincent and let someone who knows what their doing come in.

hetheclaret · Post by **hetheclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:03 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
When you go away to Villa, what’s their biggest threat? Watkins running in behind.

What have we allowed to happen time and time again? Yes, you guessed it. Incredible.

It's one thing knowing the threat and another stopping it. He's one of the best strikers in the league.

Everyone knew what Arjen Robben was going to do every time he got the ball, yet nobody could stop him doing it.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Claretforever wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:53 pm
The offside calls were both correct.

If the frame was taken at the moment the ball was touched.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:02 pm
Is Luton a must win for us?

Absolutely - but it is for them too. A draw is useless really. I’m not sure that’s a big statement, it’s looked must win since about October. I think we’ll be fine against them.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Villa are good enough without us making it as easy we did for both goals. That said, we’ve been more than decent going forward and Foster has been a real danger, delay that run by a nanosecond and he’s on.

Play like that and I fancy us to get another. Problem is it’s impossible to have faith we won’t do something stupid at the back.