January transfer window rumours.

[Big Vinny K]

Personally think we’ll profit hugely on all of them. They’re like very early 20’s. We need patience. Players peak mid-late 20’s and that’s the time we’ll profit most if we can hang on to them for that long.

The odd one or two might sell at break even or a loss but that will not determine whether the model is successful.

“Profit hugely on all of them” ?

That’s going to be some leap in form for Tresor, Ramsay and Beyer all get sold for £25m or £30m plus.

Hope so but the history of the premier league and the more unfashionable clubs who have spending sprees like we have (Fulham, Forest, etc) would tend to suggest that we are more than likely to be taking a few hits on some of our signings.
Hopefully we have found a couple of others that help mitigate these.

[Taffy on the wing]

Would be very surprised if we repay them for ‘sending Twine back’ by loaning them Benson or Zaroury. I wouldn’t let them just pick and choose our players.

The style Hull play makes them attractive for teams looking to loan out players. IMO.

[Pickles]

Maatsen to Dortmund almost wrapped up. We've missed him this season. Tried to find someone to do a similar role to him but couldn't so changed things, Taylor came in and has done well.

He's a lovely player is Maatsen. Off to play Champions League football.

[CoolClaret]

Think Twine has more to come - easily a Championship player and still has room to improve. I'd have him as a squad player if we dropped back down.

Just looks to be a bit of a late bloomer - I'll echo what spt_claret has commented on this board about player progression, it absolutely isn't linear as some like to make it out.

Talented boy, still yet to fill out. Bet he has a good number of years from 26-32 or so as a top end Champ player.

[NewClaret]

The style Hull play makes them attractive for teams looking to loan out players. IMO.

Maybe, but I still wouldn’t expect us to be at their beck and call and certainly not choosing who they take & send back. I’d expect it to be a two-way street and even if they didn’t think the Twine loan was working as they’d hoped, make good on their commitment to the loan if they want other players as well.

[NewClaret]

Think Twine has more to come - easily a Championship player and still has room to improve. I'd have him as a squad player if we dropped back down.

Just looks to be a bit of a late bloomer - I'll echo what spt_claret has commented on this board about player progression, it absolutely isn't linear as some like to make it out.

Talented boy, still yet to fill out. Bet he has a good number of years from 26-32 or so as a top end Champ player.

Some still call for Jack Cork to get more game time and he’s 34. With modern nutrition, science, conditioning, etc I’d expect many players to make a career till they’re 35.

Most impressive thing for me is he seemed to have bulked up and be getting right involved. We need a bit more of that from the players we have here.

[NewClaret]

“Profit hugely on all of them” ?

That’s going to be some leap in form for Tresor, Ramsay and Beyer all get sold for £25m or £30m plus.

Hope so but the history of the premier league and the more unfashionable clubs who have spending sprees like we have (Fulham, Forest, etc) would tend to suggest that we are more than likely to be taking a few hits on some of our signings.
Hopefully we have found a couple of others that help mitigate these.

Tresor is probably the one I’m least confident about at the moment, but very confident we’ll at least double what we spent on Ramsey/Trafford. Both could play for England, Trafford most likely. Also bear in mind Kompany's words that we’ve often not paid what’s reported.

But as I say, the model will only be proven on how it does holistically over time. One or two limited losses doesn’t mean the overall strategy was a mistake.

[CoolClaret]

Some still call for Jack Cork to get more game time and he’s 34. With modern nutrition, science, conditioning, etc I’d expect many players to make a career till they’re 35.

Most impressive thing for me is he seemed to have bulked up and be getting right involved. We need a bit more of that from the players we have here.

Yeah my over-riding point is that some players hit a peak a lot earlier than others and some are late bloomers and this notion that just because a certain player is 25 or 20 or whatever doesn't necessarily mean that the 20 yr old can continue to massively improve nor that the 25 yr old cannot improve.

I think senior games played as a metric that isn't appreciated enough, as well as type of player. Players that are speed merchants - a Walcott type tend to blossom yougner and have a shorter shelf life unless they can reinvent their game.

Ronaldo has managed to gain an extra what, 8 seasons or so being right at the top of the game by changing what his game is - obviously he had the ability to and is an outlier but yeah if you're speed/acceleration reliant then your shelf life is not likely to be as long as more of a technician.

Twine will always be useful with his dead ball abilities and did do some decent stuff in that '10' role at the end of the season; it is a real shame he got injured to start the Season and couldn't grow with the rest of them, mind.

[KRBFC]

Think Twine has more to come - easily a Championship player and still has room to improve. I'd have him as a squad player if we dropped back down.

Just looks to be a bit of a late bloomer - I'll echo what spt_claret has commented on this board about player progression, it absolutely isn't linear as some like to make it out.

Talented boy, still yet to fill out. Bet he has a good number of years from 26-32 or so as a top end Champ player.

Agree with you 100%, every player peaks at different ages and I like Twine. It takes different players different times to fully grasp the level they’re playing at too, one day they wake up and it just clicks, they hit a run of hot form and it goes from there. Self belief maybe

[NewClaret]

Agree with you 100%, every player peaks at different ages and I like Twine. It takes different players different times to fully grasp the level they’re playing at too, one day they wake up and it just clicks, they hit a run of hot form and it goes from there. Self belief maybe

It’s a good point about different attributes playing a role in when players peak. I think dead balls are such an important part of the game that having that ability will always leave you with a very good chance of being successful even if some other aspects of your game are lacking.

Like you say, if he hits purple patch second half of the season and gets say 20 G/A I reckon you could argue he’d doubled his value from say £2.5m to £5m without even costing us a great deal in wages.

Patience will be the key skill in determining how successful this strategy is.

[Tricky Trevor]

It’s a good point about different attributes playing a role in when players peak. I think dead balls are such an important part of the game that having that ability will always leave you with a very good chance of being successful even if some other aspects of your game are lacking.

Reminded me of a Bobby Charlton story, on Parky.
As a young man his uncle was managing Chesterfield and he was in the office as his uncle was telling the captain he was being dropped.
His reply,”But boss I take the penalties”.

[TheFamilyCat]

The story stacks up, I've no reason to doubt it's not a fact. Make your own mind up

So why did you then backtrack in your very next post?

[Big Vinny K]

It’s a good point about different attributes playing a role in when players peak. I think dead balls are such an important part of the game that having that ability will always leave you with a very good chance of being successful even if some other aspects of your game are lacking.

Like you say, if he hits purple patch second half of the season and gets say 20 G/A I reckon you could argue he’d doubled his value from say £2.5m to £5m without even costing us a great deal in wages.

Patience will be the key skill in determining how successful this strategy is.

Widely reported Twine cost us £4m.
At the time I was really excited about the signing as he was the best player in league one for MK Dons the season before and they fell apart without him going from near promotion to relegation.
But right now it’s hard to see his value being more than £4m - let alone double. In addition we will have paid at least a million in wages and extra in signing on fee, promotion bonuses etc

Hopefully he does kick on and ideally he comes back to us. Hull are a good team with a good manager - are they not one of the few to beat Leicester this season ? From what I have seen of Hull and I’ve read a few of the match reports just to see how Twine has got on he’s had a decent season and seems heavily involved in a lot of their play.

[KRBFC]

But right now it’s hard to see his value being more than £4m

Agree but it only takes a real hot spell to transform his price and he’s got age on his side.

[Oldparkwood]

What is it with every transfer thread? It just seems to be people arguing over pathetic comments or people just talking completely off topic with no transfer news/rumours at all!
So dare I ask if there are any rumours?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Maatsen to Dortmund ( loan)

[NewClaret]

Widely reported Twine cost us £4m.
At the time I was really excited about the signing as he was the best player in league one for MK Dons the season before and they fell apart without him going from near promotion to relegation.
But right now it’s hard to see his value being more than £4m - let alone double. In addition we will have paid at least a million in wages and extra in signing on fee, promotion bonuses etc

Hopefully he does kick on and ideally he comes back to us. Hull are a good team with a good manager - are they not one of the few to beat Leicester this season ? From what I have seen of Hull and I’ve read a few of the match reports just to see how Twine has got on he’s had a decent season and seems heavily involved in a lot of their play.

Transfermarkt, which seems to be the most accurate source of any transfer information, has the fee down at €2.9m, or £2.5m.

Spotrac, ditto salary info, has his base salary at £180k so I very much doubt your £1m is correct. Possibly a quarter or half that much.

As others have said, he’s basically a purple patch, which he 100% has in him at Championship level, away from becoming a prized asset everyone wants… but we’ll see. It’ll be down to him & he’ll need a bit of luck on his side.

[gandhisflipflop]

Any actual rumours?

[brexit]

Sacha Boey

[Mixedkompany]

‘Patience will be the key skill in determining how successful this strategy is’

Not sure patience is the key.
Transfers are driven by need, situations and events.
Our current situation is that we are heading to the championship.
We will need to trim the wage bill and cut the squad to affordable championship level.
We simply can’t be patient and wait for some of these players to improve and increase in value. If indeed they can and do.
Our financial needs and player contract situations will dictate our transfer strategy if we go down.

Unfortunately, there are no incoming transfer rumours atm. Maybe towards the end of the window we will see something.
We certainly done need Twine back and do need to get 2 or 3 out on loan or permanently. Mainly the ones already under discussion.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Sacha Boey

More chance of signing Sacha Baron Cohen

[NewClaret]

Sacha Boey

Is this from a WhatsApp group?

[brexit]

Is this from a WhatsApp group?

Galatasaray fan in bar last night. Apparently doesn't want to sign an new contract

[Hapag Lloyd]

Galatasaray fan in bar last night. Apparently doesn't want to sign an new contract

Sounds legit

[Firthy]

Sounds legit

It's one more rumour than the rest of this thread

[Hedontplayforyou]

From the few times I’ve watched Boey he looks like one that would have really made us more competitive . If we were actually interested in the summer then I’m afraid that ship has sailed regardless of the division we find ourselves in next year

[Goliath]

From the few times I’ve watched Boey he looks like one that would have really made us more competitive . If we were actually interested in the summer then I’m afraid that ship has sailed regardless of the division we find ourselves in next year

Frustrating really that we missed out on the players we really needed. If wed just have got Boey and Milner then we would have been so much more equipped for this league.

[123EasyasBFC]

The same Sacha boey linked with Bayern arsenal and United a couple of weeks ago?

[Sapperclaret73]

Spence going to genoa on loan. Puts that to bed.

[Jakubs Tash]

Boey now linked with PSG so pretty sure he's now out of our reach (if he ever was within our reach in the first place).


Quite a few 'sliding doors' transfer sags over the summer window - players we were heavily linked with and some would believe very close to signing and perhaps these players would have made a big difference...

Milner (dependable player and much needed experience)
Lukebakio (the right winger we never signed who could also play up front if required)
Townsend (another right winger with great experience)
Boey (quality right back - huge upgrade on the current incumbents which we need)
Maatsen (young dynamic left back who was a big part of how we played last season)
Tella (as above and left a big hole when he left. Another who played on the right side)
Origi (centre forward cover we needed)

And many more links to good quality footballers but how much of a difference would 3 or 4 of those on the above list have made instead of signing numerous left wingers?

[ecc]

Nemanja Matic has never been linked but was mentioned as the type of player who could boost us. It would seem he's leaving Rennes after just six months. However, I read last night one of his issues was that he was told there was an international school in Rennes (he has three children). But there isn't. Obviously there isn't one in Burnley but if he lived in Manchester that wouldn't be a problem.

[Ric_C]

Luke Ayling going to Boro

Will Leeds now come in for Roberts?

[FeedTheArf]

Luke Ayling going to Boro

Will Leeds now come in for Roberts?

Bizarre if we let him go with only Vitinho in that position.

Unless Roberts is pushing for a move of course.

[Eyesofblue2]

Luke Ayling going to Boro

Will Leeds now come in for Roberts?

Hard to know why they wouldn't, makes perfect sense from their point of view.

[Woodleyclaret]

Ben Mee is not a regular at Brentford anymore

[brexit]

Boey now linked with PSG so pretty sure he's now out of our reach (if he ever was within our reach in the first place).


Quite a few 'sliding doors' transfer sags over the summer window - players we were heavily linked with and some would believe very close to signing and perhaps these players would have made a big difference...

Milner (dependable player and much needed experience)
Lukebakio (the right winger we never signed who could also play up front if required)
Townsend (another right winger with great experience)
Boey (quality right back - huge upgrade on the current incumbents which we need)
Maatsen (young dynamic left back who was a big part of how we played last season)
Tella (as above and left a big hole when he left. Another who played on the right side)
Origi (centre forward cover we needed)

And many more links to good quality footballers but how much of a difference would 3 or 4 of those on the above list have made instead of signing numerous left wingers?

Would you add Henderson to this list?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ben Mee is not a regular at Brentford anymore

He was injured and got a red card in one of his first games back

[kentonclaret]

Ben Mee is not a regular at Brentford anymore

He started the 5 games for Brentford prior to his absence following a red card (upgraded to violent conduct) forcing him to miss the last 3 matches. Expected to be available for Brentford in next PL match January 20th?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not exactly a link but I’ve heard Burnley are Apparantly Scouting Anton Matkovic. I assume for the U23s though as he’s only 17

[Swizzlestick]

Ben Mee is not a regular at Brentford anymore

He absolutely is.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not exactly a link but I’ve heard Burnley are Apparantly Scouting Anton Matkovic. I assume for the U23s though as he’s only 17

Gvodiol at city was interviewed by football manger back in November and said he’s a player to look out for

[Newcastleclaret93]

Gvodiol at city was interviewed by football manger back in November and said he’s a player to look out for

Interesting wonder if there’s anything in it

[Ziggy Stardust]

Boey now linked with PSG so pretty sure he's now out of our reach (if he ever was within our reach in the first place).


Quite a few 'sliding doors' transfer sags over the summer window - players we were heavily linked with and some would believe very close to signing and perhaps these players would have made a big difference...

Milner (dependable player and much needed experience)
Lukebakio (the right winger we never signed who could also play up front if required)
Townsend (another right winger with great experience)
Boey (quality right back - huge upgrade on the current incumbents which we need)
Maatsen (young dynamic left back who was a big part of how we played last season)
Tella (as above and left a big hole when he left. Another who played on the right side)
Origi (centre forward cover we needed)

And many more links to good quality footballers but how much of a difference would 3 or 4 of those on the above list have made instead of signing numerous left wingers?

All went to bigger/better clubs and probably on a lot more money. Townsend would have been a bench warmer at best.

[123EasyasBFC]

Interesting wonder if there’s anything in it

After a quick search on twitter Romano tweeted abit ago saying Everton where scouting him, Romano could take his pick on clubs to put in a tweet

[Jakubs Tash]

Would you add Henderson to this list?

Have we been heavily linked with him or was he close to signing?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Have we been heavily linked with him or was he close to signing?

They say he’s on 160k per week so no chance there

[Jakubs Tash]

All went to bigger/better clubs and probably on a lot more money. Townsend would have been a bench warmer at best.

Maybe... but from reports in the summer we had offered terms and were very close to agreeing on some of them. My point being how the summer business could have been so much better/different.
We'll never know about Townsend. Would you have said JBG would be a bench warmer this season too? For all the wingers we have signed we haven't signed a first choice upgrade for the right hand side and still probably have JBG as first choice which is far from ideal and what supporters were expecting.

[123EasyasBFC]

Interesting wonder if there’s anything in it

Where had you seen the rumour we are scouting him

[Newcastleclaret93]

Where had you seen the rumour we are scouting him

Just group chats

[123EasyasBFC]

Boey now linked with PSG so pretty sure he's now out of our reach (if he ever was within our reach in the first place).


Quite a few 'sliding doors' transfer sags over the summer window - players we were heavily linked with and some would believe very close to signing and perhaps these players would have made a big difference...

Milner (dependable player and much needed experience)
Lukebakio (the right winger we never signed who could also play up front if required)
Townsend (another right winger with great experience)
Boey (quality right back - huge upgrade on the current incumbents which we need)
Maatsen (young dynamic left back who was a big part of how we played last season)
Tella (as above and left a big hole when he left. Another who played on the right side)
Origi (centre forward cover we needed)

And many more links to good quality footballers but how much of a difference would 3 or 4 of those on the above list have made instead of signing numerous left wingers?

Not much you can do when
Milner chose Brighton
Lukebakio wasn’t convinced by us and chose Spain
Townsend based on his injury history was a massive risk
Boey was a small link that never really had any concrete news on
Maatsen - Chelsea valued to high in the summer and then when we had no other options we matched the value but he had been sold the dream he was going to play at Chelsea
Tella - the only disappointment that we didn’t pay the 15-20m when you look at what we have spent
Origi - forest agreed to pay his full wages and he hasn’t really settled there yet

So I wouldn’t say we need to look at the sort of players we are trying to sign