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Big Vinny K
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by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:31 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:58 pm
I think what he's saying is women who are terrible at commentating on football shouldn't be commentating on football.
You think that is all he is saying ?
Ok.
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by AmbleClaret » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:33 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:58 pm
I think what he's saying is women who are terrible at commentating on football shouldn't be commentating on football.
That's now become a tiny fraction in amongst a shedload of deliberately controversial statements.
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by Holtyclaret » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:54 pm
He weirdly liked a comment I made on his Facebook in 2017 today.
A bit odd to trawl through old fb comments? Too much time on his hands?
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by HahaYeah » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:58 pm
AmbleClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:33 pm
That's now become a tiny fraction in amongst a shedload of deliberately controversial statements.
Yes, but that's what started this off, now he's possibly just liberal baiting with his opinions which he should be free to express but the Woke government are now wanting to get involved to shut him down.
The Wokes would really like to make it illegal to disagree with the liberal establishment.
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:06 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:58 pm
Yes, but that's what started this off, now he's possibly just liberal baiting with his opinions which he should be free to express but the Woke government are now wanting to get involved to shut him down.
The Wokes would really like to make it illegal to disagree with the liberal establishment.
Two days in a row that you've caught a few. Little victories, eh?
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by Kilson810 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:10 pm
Odd that people use the term 'liberal' as an insult:
1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. "they have liberal views on divorce"
2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
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by claptrappers_union » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:25 pm
I think it’s time to unfollow Joey. It was quite amusing at first. How he’s on his soapbox shouting about anything that’s divisive.
Everything that’s wrong with Twitter.
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:32 pm
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:25 pm
I think it’s time to unfollow Joey. It was quite amusing at first. How he’s on his soapbox shouting about anything that’s divisive.
Everything that’s wrong with Twitter.
You say that then he starts doing his Frank Beckenbauer material. Comedy gold.
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At least his battery's nearly dead.
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:38 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:37 pm
Joey doesn't hate women, I'm pretty sure he's married with a daughter so don't talk soft.
And he twatted his wife so where does that leave us?
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:42 pm
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:25 pm
I think it’s time to unfollow Joey. It was quite amusing at first. How he’s on his soapbox shouting about anything that’s divisive.
Everything that’s wrong with Twitter.
Never been on it & never will there’s far better ways to spend time in life.
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by claptrappers_union » Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:25 pm
I fall into it when following transfer window gossip.
It’s just constant arguing, violence and Joey Barton shouting look at me, look at me.
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by Goliath » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:15 pm
Hes clearly up to something but he's refused to go on GB News which surprised me, I did think that was exactly where he was trying to get.
Some of his views can be quite reasonable, its hard to put him into a specific bracket, sort of like Piers Morgan.
I wonder if thats the kind of road hes trying to go down, I could see him doing the Morgan thing pretty well tbh but i very much doubt anyone is stupid enough to give him a job now.
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:57 pm
Goliath wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:15 pm
Hes clearly up to something but he's refused to go on GB News which surprised me, I did think that was exactly where he was trying to get.
Some of his views can be quite reasonable, its hard to put him into a specific bracket, sort of like Piers Morgan.
I wonder if thats the kind of road hes trying to go down, I could see him doing the Morgan thing pretty well tbh but i very much doubt anyone is stupid enough to give him a job now.
Piers Morgan is in a very specific bracket.
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by pureclaret » Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:02 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:58 pm
I think what he's saying is women who are terrible at commentating on football shouldn't be commentating on football.
its quite clear your nearly as big a dick as he is
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by Goliath » Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:05 pm
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:57 pm
Piers Morgan is in a very specific bracket.
Haha to be more precise, politically he can be hard to label.
He can go very hard on both right and left wing views depending on the topic, actually a trait i admire in a sense in that he formulates his own view on things rather than following an agenda.
Still a massive cockwomble though.
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by HahaYeah » Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:51 pm
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:38 pm
And he twatted his wife so where does that leave us?
Therefore he must hate all women, sounds logical.
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by Damo » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:05 am
"Grift" seems to be a weird buzz word on here and tw!tter.
Especially when it's levelled against a millionaire who is falling out with the "buy me a coffee" and "lets crowd fund a lawsuit" brigade.
Weird to say the least
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by Swizzlestick » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:18 am
Almost as big of a buzz word as “woke”.
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by Damo » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:22 am
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:18 am
Almost as big of a buzz word as “woke”.
Do you want to do the word count or should I?
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by Swizzlestick » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:26 am
Damo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:22 am
Do you want to do the word count or should I?
You go for it. Good luck with that on Twitter. Or X or whatever your mate is calling it these days. You might be able to get it done by the weekend once you’ve waded through all the dropshipping adverts and bots.
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by claretandy » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:22 am
He's been retweeting the wokies favourite carol vorderman again...
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by RicardoMontalban » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:53 am
Damo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:05 am
"Grift" seems to be a weird buzz word on here and tw!tter.
Especially when it's levelled against a millionaire who is falling out with the "buy me a coffee" and "lets crowd fund a lawsuit" brigade.
Weird to say the least
Odd. I’d have thought a reasonably well known individual who has just found themselves exiting their previously lucrative career would be tailor made for a spot of ‘grifting’/spouting nonsense on the platform formerly known as twitter. Especially when you chuck their well documented acquaintance with controversy into the mix.
Weird is choosing not to see that.
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by Anonymous Claret » Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:59 am
Kilson810 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:10 pm
Odd that people use the term 'liberal' as an insult:
1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. "they have liberal views on divorce"
2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
I think a lot of people cannot fail to see the irony that so many people who claim to be liberal actually want people cancelled if their opinions are different to their own.
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by tarkys_ears » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:03 am
Ugh, too early in the morning to be reading about who the millionaire idiots want to sue and countersue for libel
Tis funny how both sides are being triggered though.
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by Swizzlestick » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:08 am
Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:59 am
I think a lot of people cannot fail to see the irony that so many people who claim to be liberal actually want people cancelled if their opinions are different to their own.
Calling women ‘stupid bitches’ and then personally insulting Ed Balls for having a trans child is not just ‘opinions that are different to their own’ but then I think you know this.
Funny how the free speech king himself Elon Musk spent the day yesterday spiking various journalists accounts whose opinions didn’t follow the narrative.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:15 am
I know there is probably a perfectly good reason for it but it isn't clear to me but why do people follow Joey Barton.
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by evensteadiereddie » Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:19 am
Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:59 am
I think a lot of people cannot fail to see the irony that so many people who claim to be liberal actually want people cancelled if their opinions are different to their own.
I know. The number of "wokies" on here who would like to silence Lineker.
Shocking, isn't it?
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by NottsClaret » Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:26 am
bigdavethemaddog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:22 am
does anybody think Joey is close to a breakdown?
I hope not, it's a shame to see him where he is now. However, it's more likely he's close to bankruptcy, everyone needs to do something to pay the bills and once the League One / Two manager jobs dried up, I guess this is his chosen path.
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by aggi » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:04 am
Damo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:05 am
"Grift" seems to be a weird buzz word on here and tw!tter.
Especially when it's levelled against a millionaire who is falling out with the "buy me a coffee" and "lets crowd fund a lawsuit" brigade.
Weird to say the least
Launching his "Common Sense" podcast at the same time as posting a load of "controversial" opinions may just be a coincidence I guess.
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by Anonymous Claret » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:35 pm
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:19 am
I know. The number of "wokies" on here who would like to silence Lineker.
Shocking, isn't it?
It's a very good point. I believe that Barton and Lineker or anyone else should be allowed to say what they like unless it is a crime .I would give people a pass if they wanted to overthrow parliament or the monarchy
It just happens that a lot of people who class themselves as liberal want to cancel people such as Barton who have different opinions to themselves. The other side is that there are also a lot of people who advocate for free speech that want to silence people such as Lineker because his views are the opposite of their own. You really couldn't make it up.
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by evensteadiereddie » Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:14 pm
Exactly.
Nice touch re Parliament and the Monarchy btw.
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by claretandy » Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:50 am
"Far right grifter"
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by Nori1958 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:28 am
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:15 am
I know there is probably a perfectly good reason for it but it isn't clear to me but why do people follow Joey Barton.
Strange isn't it?
I've no interest in what he says, so I don't follow him, in fact for the same reason I follow very few ex sports people / celebrities
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by Nori1958 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:28 am
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:15 am
I know there is probably a perfectly good reason for it but it isn't clear to me but why do people follow Joey Barton.
Strange isn't it?
I've no interest in what he says, so I don't follow him, in fact for the same reason I follow very few ex sports people / celebrities
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by claptrappers_union » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:16 am
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:15 am
I know there is probably a perfectly good reason for it but it isn't clear to me but why do people follow Joey Barton.
I had to mute him. It was pretty amusing at first but now it's constant.
Now I'm getting notifications of him liking some of my Facebook comments from 6 years ago!
He needs a job
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by AlargeClaret » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:30 am
Is what Barton has highlighted , (more from his behaviour than the literal content of his tweets) is the absolute see no evil hear no evil “media bubble” that cannot and will not openly debate /criticise when necessary poor /token women pundits . This, allied to the collective media delusion that women’s football is equal to men’s and any criticism is misogynistic /hateful /racist /sexist etc .
There’s plenty of garbage male pundits too , but they do openly get roasted alive on social media on a weekly basis .
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by Winstonswhite » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:42 am
Where’s the collective media delusion that woman’s football is equal? Are you serious?
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by claptrappers_union » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:50 am
What I find interesting is that Aluko is expressing that she is suffering from online abuse. Joey Barton has had this in his entire career.
Current footballers get it much worse - Harry Maguire, for example. Commentators, referees, and managers get constant stick from everyone. As soon as a woman is criticised, its suddenly ‘a thing’.
You can give a list of crap / under performing / overrated players - even just the ones who play for Man Utd, Onana, Maguire, Anthony, Rashford, Hoijland… the list goes on.
I can't name a female player who gets any of the heat those players above do because they're all brilliant.
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by aggi » Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:31 am
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:50 am
What I find interesting is that Aluko is expressing that she is suffering from online abuse. Joey Barton has had this in his entire career.
Current footballers get it much worse - Harry Maguire, for example. Commentators, referees, and managers get constant stick from everyone. As soon as a woman is criticised, its suddenly ‘a thing’.
You can give a list of crap / under performing / overrated players - even just the ones who play for Man Utd, Onana, Maguire, Anthony, Rashford, Hoijland… the list goes on.
I can't name a female player who gets any of the heat those players above do because they're all brilliant.
The obvious difference there is that Barton has, shall we say, a chequered history and receives a fair bit of abuse for that (obviously not all of it justified) rather than just for being a man.
I'm assuming you've missed female players and pundits complaining about rape threats, acid attacks, death threats, etc. Let's be honest, that kind of thing isn't because they are bad at their jobs, it's because they're women.
You see someone like Barton posting "gotchas" when a female pundit or commentator makes a mistake but the inanity of someone like Robbie Savage is ignored. It's pretty clear Barton's problem isn't crap punditry.
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by Big Vinny K » Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:54 am
Whatever he’s trying to achieve by all of this - notoriety, podcast listeners etc - it’s not really working is it ?
Just like in the rest of his life he is so easily triggered - whether it be physically or verbally.
Clearly he has some pretty nasty prejudices but his biggest issue seems to be he is not the sharpest tool in the box. He rarely thinks through the consequences of his actions or words but then exacerbates everything by trying to defend them rather than apologise. In his own tiny mind he never does anything wrong so ends up digging himself further and further into his hole
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by Rowls » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:04 am
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:18 am
Almost as big of a buzz word as “woke”.
It's understandable that buzzwords are, or become, very annoying.
But what word would you use in its place? The word sticks around because its useful to describe the kind of identitarian politics it describes.
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by pureclaret » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:11 pm
Rowls wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:04 am
It's understandable that buzzwords are, or become, very annoying.
But what word would you use in its place? The word sticks around because its useful to describe the kind of identitarian politics it describes.
The word id use to describe him would be dick head , a coward and a disgrace to human society. His wokeness makes him such a joke if it wasnt that his ''freedom of speach'' is more hate speach than I think ive seen without an arrest, Im sure if he was to shout those comments out at a football match hed be arrested and banned from the staduim. Whilst I do think if you dont like social media dont go on it, people who deliberately go out to hurt others with health problems should be banned from any form of social media.
I realsise that my comments may be hurtfull to JB but I do so because hes a coward,
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by pureclaret » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:28 pm
Just watching the effect of freedom of speach by people and how Enaluko has felt unable to leave her house and that certain people are saying things under this cowards way.
I think I want to rip his ******* head off the cowardly ****.
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by Rowls » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:39 pm
pureclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:11 pm
The word id use to describe him would be dick head , a coward and a disgrace to human society. His wokeness makes him such a joke if it wasnt that his ''freedom of speach'' is more hate speach than I think ive seen without an arrest, Im sure if he was to shout those comments out at a football match hed be arrested and banned from the staduim. Whilst I do think if you dont like social media dont go on it, people who deliberately go out to hurt others with health problems should be banned from any form of social media.
I realsise that my comments may be hurtfull to JB but I do so because hes a coward,
That's all well and good. Its about your opinion on Joey Barton though, whereas I was posing the question as to whether there is any useful synonym for the word 'woke'.
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by Ric_C » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:06 pm
pureclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:28 pm
Just watching the effect of freedom of speach by people and how Enaluko has felt unable to leave her house and that certain people are saying things under this cowards way.
I think I want to rip his ******* head off the cowardly ****.
Surely you don't believe anything she says. She's the epitome of narcissism
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by BurnleyFC » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:18 pm
Barton and Aluko are a pair of nasty pieces of work.
Hopefully they’ll both sue one another into bankruptcy.
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by RicardoMontalban » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:01 pm
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:18 pm
Barton and Aluko are a pair of nasty pieces of work.
Hopefully they’ll both sue one another into bankruptcy.
Would be interested to know what Eni Aluko has done for you to suggest she and Barton were on a par.
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by AfloatinClaret » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:12 pm
Kilson810 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:10 pm
Odd that people use the term 'liberal' as an insult...
While others use it as shield, from behind which they insist that everyone else must think and act in accordance with the one (invariably their own) correct opinion.