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Signings under Kompany with fee as reported by Transfermarkt (in Euros)
Summer 2023:
Zeki Amdouni – 18.06
James Trafford 17.3
Aaron Ramsey – 16.45
Jordan Beyer 15.
Sander Berge 13.9
Wilson Odabert 12
Dara O’Shea 7.8
Michael Obafemi 4
Hannes Delcroix 3
Luca Koleosho 3
Nathan Redmond – free
Han-Noah Massengo – free
Lawrence Vigourox – free
Mike Tresor – loan. **
David Datro Fofana – loan.
Jacob Bruun Larsen – loan.
Total 111.05 million
Previous season:
Lyle Foster 11
Ameen Al-Dakhil 5
Benson Manuel 4
Anass Zaroury 4
Darko Churlinov – 3.5
Josh Cullen – 3
Arijnet Muric 3
Scott Twine 2.9
Hjalmar Ekdal 2.8
Luke McNally 1.85
Vitinho – 1
Samuel Bastien 0.8
Enock Agyei 0.35
CJ Egan-Riley free
Denis Franchi – unknown
Total 43.2 million.
Grand Total Spent 154.25 million euros
*Loan deals no longer with club:
Taylor Harwood-Bellis
Ian Maatsen
Halil Devisoglu
Nathan Tella
**Obligation to buy Tresor at 18 million (The Athletic)
(Total committed with Tresor fee: 172.25 million)
Summer 2023:
Zeki Amdouni – 18.06
James Trafford 17.3
Aaron Ramsey – 16.45
Jordan Beyer 15.
Sander Berge 13.9
Wilson Odabert 12
Dara O’Shea 7.8
Michael Obafemi 4
Hannes Delcroix 3
Luca Koleosho 3
Nathan Redmond – free
Han-Noah Massengo – free
Lawrence Vigourox – free
Mike Tresor – loan. **
David Datro Fofana – loan.
Jacob Bruun Larsen – loan.
Total 111.05 million
Previous season:
Lyle Foster 11
Ameen Al-Dakhil 5
Benson Manuel 4
Anass Zaroury 4
Darko Churlinov – 3.5
Josh Cullen – 3
Arijnet Muric 3
Scott Twine 2.9
Hjalmar Ekdal 2.8
Luke McNally 1.85
Vitinho – 1
Samuel Bastien 0.8
Enock Agyei 0.35
CJ Egan-Riley free
Denis Franchi – unknown
Total 43.2 million.
Grand Total Spent 154.25 million euros
*Loan deals no longer with club:
Taylor Harwood-Bellis
Ian Maatsen
Halil Devisoglu
Nathan Tella
**Obligation to buy Tresor at 18 million (The Athletic)
(Total committed with Tresor fee: 172.25 million)
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Not cheap building an entire new squad
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Think Villa had our pants down.
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Give him time, the same was said about Foster this time last year.
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Staggering
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Worth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.
I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.
I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.
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Correct , those figures are absolute top line. Bonuses etc .TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:17 pmWorth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.
I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.
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Mainly positive, some great, some have failed but from where we were in Aug 2022, we are better off.
We could easily be a mid table Championship side at this moment in time.
We could easily be a mid table Championship side at this moment in time.
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I don't think that is the case - certainly not in all the cases. Trafford fee for example was reported as much higher than 17.3 million euros when add-ons were included. Multiple media reports had it as 19 million GBP - so over 20 million euros.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:17 pmWorth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.
I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.
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Just think what SD could have done with that amount of money if given the chance by Garlic and co.
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Foster has done fantastically well to step up to the Premier League and be a real threat.
Ramsey should find it much easier next season stepping down to the championship - but still seems like an obscene amount of money for the 10 very ineffectual appearances so far.
I'd be delighted for him to prove me wrong.
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I thought Traff's fee is around £14mill initial with add-ons up to £19 million?Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:18 pmCorrect , those figures are absolute top line. Bonuses etc .
Will be somewhat accurate anyway + / - 10-15 mill or so
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I think the first season all his signings were ok apart from Churlinov who was pretty average before he got injured ,but this season I don’t think Ramsey,Redmond ,Tresor,Obafemi,and Larsen have done much apart from Larsen scoring a couple of good goals.forzagranata wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:11 pmSignings under Kompany with fee as reported by Transfermarkt (in Euros)
Summer 2023:
Zeki Amdouni – 18.06
James Trafford 17.3
Aaron Ramsey – 16.45
Jordan Beyer 15.
Sander Berge 13.9
Wilson Odabert 12
Dara O’Shea 7.8
Michael Obafemi 4
Hannes Delcroix 3
Luca Koleosho 3
Nathan Redmond – free
Han-Noah Massengo – free
Lawrence Vigourox – free
Mike Tresor – loan. **
David Datro Fofana – loan.
Jacob Bruun Larsen – loan.
Total 111.05 million
Previous season:
Lyle Foster 11
Ameen Al-Dakhil 5
Benson Manuel 4
Anass Zaroury 4
Darko Churlinov – 3.5
Josh Cullen – 3
Arijnet Muric 3
Scott Twine 2.9
Hjalmar Ekdal 2.8
Luke McNally 1.85
Vitinho – 1
Samuel Bastien 0.8
Enock Agyei 0.35
CJ Egan-Riley free
Denis Franchi – unknown
Total 43.2 million.
Grand Total Spent 154.25 million euros
*Loan deals no longer with club:
Taylor Harwood-Bellis
Ian Maatsen
Halil Devisoglu
Nathan Tella
**Obligation to buy Tresor at 18 million (The Athletic)
(Total committed with Tresor fee: 172.25 million)
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Where do Transfermarkt get their fee information from?
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Yep 14 million GBP - which is pretty close to the 17.3 million EUROS cited by transfermarkt.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:23 pmI thought Traff's fee is around £14mill initial with add-ons up to £19 million?
Will be somewhat accurate anyway + / - 10-15 mill or so
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We need a list of outgoings in the same period for context, and also worth keeping in mind the reduction in wages.
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X5 player sale's and we recoup
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I'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.South West Claret. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:21 pmJust think what SD could have done with that amount of money if given the chance by Garlic and co.
What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.
There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.
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They look at the highest quoted price in the media
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Its information they receive. So the sources will vary with each deal. Clubs sometimes make it official, often not. Over the years they have built up a reputation for being the closest to reality - in a business with little transparency of course. I've heard club officials challenge media reports of fees but I can't think of ever hearing one challenge Transfermarkt. That doesn't mean they might not be wrong on occassion of course.
I tend to cite them because they don't hype up the numbers for headlines and if anything tend to be on the more conservative side.
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worth remembering that Transfermarkt is laughed at by anyone who works in football, it's been discredited so many times.
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Odabert 12 million? Can’t remember the fee being anywhere near that, maybe someone can jog my memory.
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Transfer market is a gauge not a factual source of information, it won't be 100% but somewhere in the correct ball park.
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There is no transparency around most transfer fees. So if we want to get a rough idea, you have to go off 'reported fees'. I'd go with transfermarkt over the tabloids for example.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pmworth remembering that Transfermarkt is laughed at by anyone who works in football, it's been discredited so many times.
But go ahead and make a list using newspapers or other websites and see what number you come up with.
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Transfermarkt fees are just added by volunteers to the site. They don't know any more than you or I do and thus you shouldn't put any stock in the fees as listed. They probably broadly relate to the reality (as it would if you asked me how much our signings cost) but it is not privileged information in any way.
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Yes I understand that but what fundermentley changed was that Garlic and co changed the very successful funding which proved disastrous for the club and a complete lack of thanks to SD and his team for their magnificent effort of keeping Burnley FC.Goody1975 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:28 pmI'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.
What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.
There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.
He’s replaced that very successful period in our history with what?
Gambling on a young replacement in his place having lashed the above eye watering figures.
Well I only help he and his singings prove successful.
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Well just looking at the list, Ramsey was reported at 12m by Nixon, who was the first one to call this deal. Transfermrkt has it nearly 15m (likely including potential bonuses). Likewise Trafford is at 14.7m here despite 13.7m report by a few. Odobert was reported at 11m euros, here it’s 12. Beyer was suggested to be 7m by some journos, 13 by others, here it’s gone with the latter. Looks on the high side for most.forzagranata wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:33 pmThe transfermarkt number is usually below that to be fair.
But until clubs are forced to make honest public statements about transfers its the best we have to go off IMO.
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We bought a lot of players in the first season that could be argued were good purchases … good value ..in the second season it looks like we have wasted so much money
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Yep - the point of posting wasn't to say definitively that these were the actual fees. Odabert and other deals were officially 'undisclosed'daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:41 pmTransfermarkt fees are just added by volunteers to the site. They don't know any more than you or I do and thus you shouldn't put any stock in the fees as listed. They probably broadly relate to the reality (as it would if you asked me how much our signings cost) but it is not privileged information in any way.
Its more interesting to look at how many of these 31 signings can be deemed to have been successes?
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Nearly every fee on there is the “reported” fee, so have they got these fees from media reports or “sources”? Also isn’t it almost always more likely for the selling club to want to put a fee out there? If it is, aren’t they more likely to put out the full value of a deal (inc future incentives/clauses)?forzagranata wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pmIts information they receive. So the sources will vary with each deal. Clubs sometimes make it official, often not. Over the years they have built up a reputation for being the closest to reality - in a business with little transparency of course. I've heard club officials challenge media reports of fees but I can't think of ever hearing one challenge Transfermarkt. That doesn't mean they might not be wrong on occassion of course.
I tend to cite them because they don't hype up the numbers for headlines and if anything tend to be on the more conservative side.
Anyway, I’ve just looked through the market value of our squad and if we’re trusting Transfermarkt because of its reputation, we’ve got nothing to worry about. Lots of our player are worth as much (sometimes more) than we paid they say. Al Dakhil is worth €15m for example. Josh Brownhill is worth €18m apparently.
The future is secure according to Transfermarkt. Unless of course we’re only trusting them for some things to make a point.
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Had a look down the list and counted how many of them I think look like good signings for the Premier League in the short term. Didn't get past the fingers of one hand.
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I should have known this would turn into a thread about transfermarkt!
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Regardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.
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Last season's business was a huge success based on the outcome of the season and the fact we sold players for loads as well.
This season's business has been a huge failure and we will need sales this summer.
This season's business has been a huge failure and we will need sales this summer.
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As it stands, they were never going to settle in at the same time.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:49 pmRegardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.
We know we needed two or three stronger players in certain positions to help these youngsters to thrive, that is the main mistake the manager/recruitment team have made but on the whole we are far better off than in August 2022.
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I would put them in these categories:
Absolute Premier League success:
Definite Promise: Amdouni, Beyer, Berge, Odabert, Koleosho, Foster,
Jury Still Out: Trafford, Ramsey, O’Shea, Obafemi, Delcroix, Tresor, Larsen, Al-Daklhil, Vitinho.
Who knows? Massengo, Vigourox, Fofana,Churlinov, Franchi,
Championship successes – Zaroury, Benson, Edkdal, Culllen, Muric
Didn’t work out (yet): Bastien, Egan-Riley, Twine, McNally
Absolute Premier League success:
Definite Promise: Amdouni, Beyer, Berge, Odabert, Koleosho, Foster,
Jury Still Out: Trafford, Ramsey, O’Shea, Obafemi, Delcroix, Tresor, Larsen, Al-Daklhil, Vitinho.
Who knows? Massengo, Vigourox, Fofana,Churlinov, Franchi,
Championship successes – Zaroury, Benson, Edkdal, Culllen, Muric
Didn’t work out (yet): Bastien, Egan-Riley, Twine, McNally
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Yep and I suspect very few people will disagree. We can get into a debate about the extent to which last summers business has/will cost us, but it’ll be degrees of the same point.
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Goody1975 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:28 pmI'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.
What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.
There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.
Covid and it's impacts on Garlick's business & football in general has a lot to answer for here - it isn't as straight forward as being made out.
I strongly believe if Covid didn't hit, we were lining up to reinvest into the playing squad, it really cannot be stated enough.
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If they were never going to settle in at the same time, and those responsible for our transfer policy knew this, then it's even poorer business.Goody1975 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pmAs it stands, they were never going to settle in at the same time.
We know we needed two or three stronger players in certain positions to help these youngsters to thrive, that is the main mistake the manager/recruitment team have made but on the whole we are far better off than in August 2022.
We're in a better position than in August 2022 because we since won promotion to the Premier League. I don't think we're in a better position than May 2023 though.
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Hurry for sensible comments!Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:49 pmRegardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.
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Best player on the pitch against Man UTD.
Give the lad time
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Would probably move Berge, Odobert, Koleosho and Foster in to Premier League success. I’d be surprised if we don’t receive bids for those in summer, which must mean they’ve been successful, no? Most on here are predicting they’ll leave and other clubs don’t bid for unsuccessful players.forzagranata wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pmI would put them in these categories:
Absolute Premier League success:
Definite Promise: Amdouni, Beyer, Berge, Odabert, Koleosho, Foster,
Jury Still Out: Trafford, Ramsey, O’Shea, Obafemi, Delcroix, Tresor, Larsen, Al-Daklhil, Vitinho.
Who knows? Massengo, Vigourox, Fofana,Churlinov, Franchi,
Championship successes – Zaroury, Benson, Edkdal, Culllen, Muric
Didn’t work out (yet): Bastien, Egan-Riley, Twine, McNally
I’d move Trafford in to definite promise along with O’Shea who I think has been excellent in recent weeks, showing real potential and whatever anyone tells me, his pace is why we signed him over THB - a huge asset.
And I’d demote Obafemi to who knows.
Other than that, I’d tend to agree.
That said, I really can’t understand why everyone is so keen to comment on signings, whether they’ll be successful, whether we’ll profit from them, etc, etc after 20 games and half a season. It’s far far too early to determine whether these young players are going to be successful for us and personally.
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I don’t think we’d be far off making a profit of we sold everyone
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