TRAFFORD

[Westleigh]

Always instigated by you !

And me,and loads of other fans who watch a game without claret and blue blinkers on.

[JimmyRobbo]

The same goes for VK too though, if his name wasn't Vincent Kompany and he was an unknown manager from the Belgium league the ones defending VK this season would also be calling for his head.
It's been a shocking summer and each game were getting worse.
Fans saying Trafford is our number 1 because VK says he's our best goalkeeper need also remember VK says Dara O'Shea can play for a top 6 club and that we have a £100 million player on our books!!

Or, if he wasn't VK he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't turned our fortunes round last year, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't given us one of the best years in the last 50, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't run away with the league despite many predicting we would sprial downwards forever, he'd be sacked.

Honestly some very strange conclusions in our fanbase atm.

Likewise, Trafford is not the finished article but he gets an obscene amount of criticism from people on here. Today is classic! Gets the blame for the goals when he wasn't at fault for either.

Muric has suddenly become some sort of hero. Ekdal improved exponentially when not playing. Then he played. We found out VK was right. The same would happen with Muric.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Always instigated by you !

Look how many are in agreement with me now though.

I was one of a small handful who called it early on that Trafford isn’t showing he has what it takes to be a goalkeeper at the top level.

Just because you don’t like the fact he’s been garbage doesn’t mean it’s not true. Me and I’m sure the others who identified him as a massive weakness don’t want him to be - but he is.

[Vincent'sCap]

And me,and loads of other fans who watch a game without claret and blue blinkers on.

Support who Kompany picks!!!
Trafford is 20 years old
Toughest position on the pitch and all you experts criticise.

[CoolClaret]

[quote="Alan Young" I’m not convinced Muric is the answer but surely he deserves a run in the side. Currently it’s not fair on Trafford or the rest of the team who surely have lost all confidence in him.

Muric is a crap keeper,he played for us in the Championship which we plssed without him doing much,spraying passes around and looking good was a piece of plss for Muric he was only tested once and Sheffield United hammered us with Muric looking Plss poor at goalkeeping
[/quote]

Clueless

[Vincent'sCap]

Muric is a crap keeper,he played for us in the Championship which we plssed without him doing much,spraying passes around and looking good was a piece of plss for Muric he was only tested once and Sheffield United hammered us with Muric looking Plss poor at goalkeeping

Clueless
[/quote]

Glad you agree Muric is clueless

[CoolClaret]

Glad you agree Muric is clueless

PFA Champ keeper of the year btw

[Swizzlestick]

If it’s the toughest position on the pitch, why are we playing a 21 year old with League One experience only in the Premier League in a team where the keeper plays a crucial role in playing it out? It just hasn’t worked and we’ve now lost the style we were originally developing and doing some weird, mishmash of a pragmatic style in order, I believe, partly to accommodate his inability to distribute quickly enough.

[Murger]

Support who Kompany picks!!!
Trafford is 20 years old
Toughest position on the pitch and all you experts criticise.

Toughest position on the pitch and VK puts in a 20 year old, who time and again shows he’s not yet up to it.
When was the last time he actually bollocked any of his defenders? He just claps and carries on.

[Vincent'sCap]

Toughest position on the pitch and VK puts in a 20 year old, who time and again shows he’s not yet up to it.
When was the last time he actually bollocked any of his defenders? He just claps and carries on.

Actually what?

[Vincent'sCap]

Toughest position on the pitch and VK puts in a 20 year old, who time and again shows he’s not yet up to it.
When was the last time he actually bollocked any of his defenders? He just claps and carries on.

Clever edit,take your time as you post

[alwaysaclaret]

A lot like his manager who hasn’t yet demoted him to the bench. They have both cost us this season more than any others.

What the hell was the first today like he’d been shot by a sniper, just stand up and catch it

Absolutely spot on this.

[bobinho]

Or, if he wasn't VK he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't turned our fortunes round last year, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't given us one of the best years in the last 50, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't run away with the league despite many predicting we would sprial downwards forever, he'd be sacked.

Honestly some very strange conclusions in our fanbase atm.

Likewise, Trafford is not the finished article but he gets an obscene amount of criticism from people on here. Today is classic! Gets the blame for the goals when he wasn't at fault for either.

Muric has suddenly become some sort of hero. Ekdal improved exponentially when not playing. Then he played. We found out VK was right. The same would happen with Muric.

Muric has improved exponentially whilst not playing. Have we forgotten he’s the weakest box dominator since Brian Jensen?

Trafford hasn’t done an awful lot wrong… certainly not today.

[Westleigh]

Or, if he wasn't VK he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't turned our fortunes round last year, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't given us one of the best years in the last 50, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't run away with the league despite many predicting we would sprial downwards forever, he'd be sacked.

Honestly some very strange conclusions in our fanbase atm.

Likewise, Trafford is not the finished article but he gets an obscene amount of criticism from people on here. Today is classic! Gets the blame for the goals when he wasn't at fault for either.

Muric has suddenly become some sort of hero. Ekdal improved exponentially when not playing. Then he played. We found out VK was right. The same would happen with Muric.

Obviously with your user name you’ve been watching Burnley for a hell of a long time ,and your passionate about our team ,we sit roughly on the dead ball line at the Jimmy Mac end ,and from our seats we can see that the defence are in total panic every time a cross comes into the box ,when we had Pope he won everything in the air and the defenders knew what was going on,when Heaton was in goal you good hear him on Brunshaw rd shouting at the players ,we can see Trafford for an high % of the crosses rooted to the spot and today he has a simple chance of catching a ball coming into the 6 yd box but he stayed rooted on the line ,from the following corner they scored ,and it’s not his fault VK is fairly and squarely to blame for this chaotic defending week in week out.

[Shaggy]

Just watched the highlights,

Specifically going to comment on Trafford here what I seen in them.

1st goal should have done better, the header was right at him and went between his hands.

2nd goal he got caught in no man’s land but he had time to close
Down or back track and he done neither.

The 2 saves that he made, 1st shot he got down well,

2nd shot was a comfortable and straight at him again. Why did he do a daft Hollywood dive?

[BurnleyFC]

Muric has improved exponentially whilst not playing. Have we forgotten he’s the weakest box dominator since Brian Jensen?

Trafford hasn’t done an awful lot wrong… certainly not today.

But he was literally part of a defence that made a cluster **** of Fulham’s second goal. The goal that ensured we weren’t going to be picking up three points today, regardless of how crap we were.

It’s weird how some people absolve him of blame for everything. He’s had some good games for us, he made a couple of decent saves today, but he has to take his share of the blame for the second goal today.

[Jamesy]

Muric has improved exponentially whilst not playing. Have we forgotten he’s the weakest box dominator since Brian Jensen?

Trafford hasn’t done an awful lot wrong… certainly not today.

Seriously? Were you on the game today?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

If it’s the toughest position on the pitch, why are we playing a 21 year old with League One experience only in the Premier League in a team where the keeper plays a crucial role in playing it out? It just hasn’t worked and we’ve now lost the style we were originally developing and doing some weird, mishmash of a pragmatic style in order, I believe, partly to accommodate his inability to distribute quickly enough.

Agree with this the odd part why is Kompany persisting with him?

[alwaysaclaret]

And we paid £19,000,000!

What a waste, I'm sure there must have been a free transfer better than this out there, I'm over the muric thing, just anybody ' anybody that is stronger, better positionally and aware of what's around him, more experienced, decisive, can jump instead of being glued to the floor, stand up for himself, and find a player on the same team better than 1 in 5 when kicking out. Stopping shots is standard, it's what he's there for, but as I've said many times there's more to being a goalkeeper than stopping a shot, "or a lob". Some may say I'm after a worldie, not really, just somebody better than this one.

[alwaysaclaret]

Support who Kompany picks!!!
Trafford is 20 years old
Toughest position on the pitch and all you experts criticise.

Exactly, he's 20 years old, why would you throw a league one rookie in to the best league in the world. Baffling.

[KlyBfc]

Muric has improved exponentially whilst not playing. Have we forgotten he’s the weakest box dominator since Brian Jensen?

Trafford hasn’t done an awful lot wrong… certainly not today.

He’s a kid in a men’s game. He’s built like a kid, he plays like a kid. He’s pathetic under pressure and he has cost us points this season (many many more than he’s won us).
It’s like when you were in yr11 at school and your normal keeper couldn’t play (my spot = excluded) so you borrow the year 8 keeper. Saves a few but is feeble and weak and you get beat

[SalisburyClaret]

Exactly, he's 20 years old, why would you throw a league one rookie in to the best league in the world. Baffling.

Odobert is younger still - why on earth would you play him? Baffling

[alwaysaclaret]

Odobert is younger still - why on earth would you play him? Baffling

Incomparable, bit of a difference in a left winger and a goalkeeper.

[Lew200100]

As much I like to be positive Trafford cost us the game again. He had loads of time and no pressure to collect the ball before it went out for a corner. He watched it as if he wasn’t allowed to pick it up or touch the ball. I’m pretty sure he thought it was going out for a goal kick when everyone else was thinking pick the bl##dy ball up. The resulting corner was what we are used to seeing this season and to be fair first few games of last season. For me he is too weak and not vocal enough. His kicking is so slow and seems pointless as he literally kicks most balls 10-15 foot he never hits a winger or full back as probably by the time he’s decided everyone is marked up.

We have been spoiled for keepers for years but not at the moment unfortunately. The second goal was laughable as he hadn’t a clue what to do. There is a song in there should I stay or should I go. He did neither.

[bfcjg]

The poor sod needs taking out of the firing line. Kompany will ruin him and our clubs financial future as yhere is mo way in a million years we will get anyway near what we paid for him.

[lucs86]

We spent £19M on Trafford. I'm pretty certain we'd be no lower than 19th in the league if we hadn't bothered.

[Nonayforever]

Trafford and Kompany have relegated us this season.

[Robbie_painter]

I too think he needs taking out of the firing line now as he is going to end up a nervous wreck.Fairly amusing tho that some of the Trafford haters on here blame him for allowing the ball to go out for a corner when the new lad shepherded it out instead of clearing it.

[alf_resco]

Last summer, for whatever reason(s), the powers that be decided Muric was not going to be No.1 between the sticks this season.
Therefore, it would be logical to assume that any incoming keeper would be palpably better than Muric from the word go, not a "prospect" who may (or may not) grow into the job at some unspecified time in the future.
Is he obviously better than Muric? No.
It was glaringly obvious from game one that Trafford was not an "oven-ready" Prem keeper. If VK expected him to VERY quickly to raise his game, it hasn't happened.
Does he make some good saves? Yes. Is he a total dud? No, of course not.
He's just not Prem standard this season. Maybe he will be, maybe not.
But for most of this season, barring a couple of games, he's shown what he CURRENTLY is - a keeper with potential learning his trade.
Is he what we need right now?
No way.
And I've made no mention of what he cost.

[Les latcham fan club]

Trafford is not a prem league keeper he can't command his box, distribution is shite and he instills no confidence. Worth 5 mill at best appalling signing.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Some of Traffords positioning and passing was not exactly brilliant today and he is showing his inexperience for this level. But he pulled out a lot of good saves, not run of the mill, and this stopped Fulham pasting us today. We need to look at our appalling defending that enabled Fulham to get so many opportunities not the goalkeeper.

[CoolClaret]

Or, if he wasn't VK he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't turned our fortunes round last year, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't given us one of the best years in the last 50, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't run away with the league despite many predicting we would sprial downwards forever, he'd be sacked.

Honestly some very strange conclusions in our fanbase atm.

Likewise, Trafford is not the finished article but he gets an obscene amount of criticism from people on here. Today is classic! Gets the blame for the goals when he wasn't at fault for either.

Muric has suddenly become some sort of hero. Ekdal improved exponentially when not playing. Then he played. We found out VK was right. The same would happen with Muric.

We've seen the difference in play style with him in the team though, it's very different.

Ekdal only played 9 games last year - not a full season

[bumba]

Or, if he wasn't VK he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't turned our fortunes round last year, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't given us one of the best years in the last 50, he'd be sacked.
If he hadn't run away with the league despite many predicting we would sprial downwards forever, he'd be sacked.

Honestly some very strange conclusions in our fanbase atm.

Likewise, Trafford is not the finished article but he gets an obscene amount of criticism from people on here. Today is classic! Gets the blame for the goals when he wasn't at fault for either.

Muric has suddenly become some sort of hero. Ekdal improved exponentially when not playing. Then he played. We found out VK was right. The same would happen with Muric.

Muric might not be the answer but he couldn't do any worse. We needed a better keeper for the money spent on Trafford that's the issue!
Trafford positioning on both goals was questionable but it was also the defences fault too, both were at fault.
Nothing stranger than your first four quotes, you suggested nothing to prove I was wrong

[StayingDown4Ever]

Nothing stranger than your first four quotes, you suggested nothing to prove I was wrong

I think old Jimmy had had a bottle of mild too many by this point.

Hopefully he’s slept it off and when he wakes up in the morning he’ll realise people are right to question what’s happening on the field.

[Quickenthetempo]

He doesn't seem to pick the ball up early enough.

That's why he's been lobbed from the halfway line, 40 yards and 30 yards today.

As for his distribution. Shocking.

Some posters gave Muric stick for the ball to Amdouni, that he received in plenty of time.
Yesterday, Trafford rolled the ball out softly to one of their players.

Let him work on his faults in training and come back when he's ready. We could damage him leaving him in there.

[burnleymik]

It's pointless debating it really. Trafford is the hill VK is prepared to die on. He isn't going to be dropped and Muric isn't coming into the first team anytime soon.

Personally I would like to see Muric get a short run of games to see what he can offer and see how it affects us differently, as at the moment we haven't got a lot to lose.

[Jamesy]

It's pointless debating it really. Trafford is the hill VK is prepared to die on. He isn't going to be dropped and Muric isn't coming into the first team anytime soon.

Personally I would like to see Muric get a short run of games to see what he can offer and see how it affects us differently, as at the moment we haven't got a lot to lose.

You nailed it in your first sentence. It is pointless debating it. VK’s ego won’t let him change the goalkeeping situation.
In the meantime let’s just sleep walk to the Championship.

[bumba]

You nailed it in your first sentence. It is pointless debating it. VK’s ego won’t let him change the goalkeeping situation.
In the meantime let’s just sleep walk to the Championship.

He can't drop him because he convinced the owners to part with a near £19 million deal to sign him

[CryerBFC]

Having slept on yesterday’s performance, I still can’t fathom the decision making of some. VK and Trafford included.

Team selection felt wrong from the off. I don’t think anyone knew where they should be playing bar a couple. Berge sitting in as a 3rd CB for majority of the first half was a waste.

The first goal, why Trafford didn’t claim that ball as it dropped in the 6 yard box, I’ll never know. I don’t care what anyone says, Muric claims that. As for the resulting corner, carbon copy of arguably 75%+ of the corners we defend, opposition puts everyone in the 6 yard box and it usually results in a goal. Everyone harps on about the Sheff Utd game last season. It was a shock at the time yes, but we can’t just say Muric is the same based on that one game. He got better as the season went on and from the very limited cup games I’ve seen him this season, he looks to pick up where he left off last season apart from a little rusty, which can be expected after 3/4 months away from competitive football.

The second goal seemed to happen in slow motion, Ekdal gets caught under the ball trying to get out, watch the ball and watch the man, ended up in a pickle and the easiest of lobs for the striker. Another of Traffords indecisive moments this season. For me, he should have back tracked and simply caught the ball, he seemed way too far off his line but eventually didn’t do anything about it.

His shot stopping, as mentioned on here, seems routine. He makes a few ‘camera saves’ every now and then but a decent keeper at this level makes all the saves he does, and more.

Over the course of the season I can think of 1 game where he’s kept us in it. Brighton away. 1 point gained. How many has he gifted to the opposition over the course of the season? Granted it’s not solely on him, but he is a big problem.

I’ve bought into the whole, he's young and learning, but there has to be a time where learning and experimenting has to be supplemented for a better option.

Another example yesterday which springs to mind, Odobert runs in from the left and through the middle, Trafford plays the ball which is intercepted by Tosin. For me, Muric sees that run maybe a second or so before Trafford does, his trajectory and ability to nail a ball 70/80 yards more than likely results in Odobert through on goal, like we saw so many times last season with Tella’s runs in from the wing.

I don’t know why I get so bothered by it, I know Muric won’t start a game for the rest of the season bar an injury or suspension, but surely VK has to try something else. That yesterday was a must win for me. We’re relying on other teams now dropping and that’s never a good place to be.

If we want to talk about the money side of it too, Vicario at Tottenham cost less than the rumoured fee for Trafford. We could have done so much better for the rumoured fee.

[Dyched]

Put Muric in, there’s nothing to lose now.

Nobody will be wanting Trafford in the summer.
Muric could come in, play some blinders and we get a decent enough fee in the summer.

[SalisburyClaret]

Trafford didn’t claim the ball for their 1st because there were 2 forwards and 3 defenders in front of him and his arms would need to be 6 foot longer to get anywhere near the ball.

The defence are told what positions to adopt for corners - Odobert didn’t do his job.

[Westleigh]

Trafford didn’t claim the ball for their 1st because there were 2 forwards and 3 defenders in front of him and his arms would need to be 6 foot longer to get anywhere near the ball.

The defence are told what positions to adopt for corners - Odobert didn’t do his job.

That’s rubbish I’ve just run a replay ,there were only 2 people near the ball Trafford and the new fullback who stood there waiting for him to claim the ball ,and Trafford never moved.

[Darthlaw]

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Just for those claiming how Trafford should have come collected the first, here is the pic with the corner mid flight (the smudge near the touch line) a millisecond before where it finished up on Paulinha’s head (circled in red).

For clarity, Westleigh:

there were only 2 people near the ball Trafford and the new fullback who stood there waiting for him to claim the ball

And Cryerbfc:

why Trafford didn’t claim that ball as it dropped in the 6 yard box, I’ll never know. I don’t care what anyone says, Muric claims that.

No agendas here then.

[Jamesy]

I don’t think this was the issue.
The issue was he should have come and gathered the ball and didn’t and this led to the corner where we conceded from.

[Darthlaw]

I might be wrong here Jamesy, but was that the corner which Assignon let go out because he thought it was a goal kick, only for the ref to then give a corner?

[Jamesy]

Don’t think so? Trafford didn’t come to claim it so one of our players had to concede a corner.
Can’t remember who and I didn’t watch MOTD when I got home as I didn’t want reminding of it.
See Cryer BFC post a bit further up and you will understand what happened.

[daveisaclaret]

Trafford and Assignon both let it go. Doesn't matter much as conceding a corner shouldn't be a big deal, it's just unfortunate that we can't defend them.

Nothing Trafford could do about the first goal either. The second however he was dreadful for.

[alwaysaclaret]

Trafford didn’t claim the ball for their 1st because there were 2 forwards and 3 defenders in front of him and his arms would need to be 6 foot longer to get anywhere near the ball.

The defence are told what positions to adopt for corners - Odobert didn’t do his job.

So is Odobert allowed to catch the ball now ?

[Nori1958]

I might be wrong here Jamesy, but was that the corner which Assignon let go out because he thought it was a goal kick, only for the ref to then give a corner?

Yes, but as someone pointed out it was Trafford's fault because he didn't shout at Assignon to kick it out

Whatever happened the corner should have been defended far better than it was, as the pictures show, but it's far more fun for those on this thread , and others, to blame the goalkeeper, likewise for the second how the whole defence is caught out by a ball over the top, and the fullback doesn't get back quick enough to catch them offside

[Darthlaw]

Don’t think so? Trafford didn’t come to claim it so one of our players had to concede a corner.
Can’t remember who and I didn’t watch MOTD when I got home as I didn’t want reminding of it.
See Cryer BFC post a bit further up and you will understand what happened.

Just watched it on MOTD. Trafford can’t claim the cross as it’s dropping onto the Fulham player until a BFC player muscles him out. It then bounces across the six yard box to Assignon who lets it roll out, thinking it’s a goal kick.