The template for Saturday CT.
I’m sure VK is watching and taking notes.
The template for Saturday CT.
I don’t think we did either. Certainly not in the early days anyway. Vaguely remember him being asked about our lack of goals a from corners few times and him replying about how statistically rare goals from corners were.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:46 pmWhat were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.
Completely different than my memory. I think we scored a significant proportion of our goals from set pieces.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:46 pmWhat were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.
Massive difference. Everton are so much better than we are in literally every department.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:53 pmThis game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.
Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).
We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.
We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.
I’ll think you’ll find that Forest have had a lot more bad decisions than us regarding VAR,the bottom line is we’re where we are because we are shockingly inept, and deserve everything we get.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:53 pmThis game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.
Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).
We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.
We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.
Yet they both beat us 2 - 0 at home without getting out of second gear, that’s why we are going downCrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:53 pmThis game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.
Many clubs have suffered with injuries and some far more than us. Newcastle, for example. Crystal Palace were missing their 3 best young players tonight in Guehi, Eze and Olise.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:53 pmThis game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.
Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).
We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.
We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.
I remember Tresor racing back at full sprint against both Chelsea and Liverpool to help his defence. I don’t think he has adapted yet to the tempo, but the ridicule is, well, ridiculous.
We scored plenty from set pieces.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:46 pmWhat were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.
We scored from corners sometimes, Westwood could certainly place set piece with accuracy.PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:46 pmWhat were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.
Seem to remember Westwood off a corner ,Ings missing a cross and us scoring against Southampton or whoever he was playing for .boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:07 pmWe scored from corners sometimes, Westwood could certainly place set piece with accuracy.
Would that be the Palace game where we had 68% possession, had 17 shots to 4, 12 corners to 1?ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:59 pmYet they both beat us 2 - 0 at home without getting out of second gear, that’s why we are going down
I’m just not sure we did. Would be interested to see the stats but not sure how to go about finding them. I do think we became more effective towards the end of the Dyche era but overall we weren’t great. As someone else mentioned above, I think it was commented on a few times how strange it was we didn’t score more from set pieces (given our reputation).
And lost 2 - 0 so what does that tell you?CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:17 pmWould that be the Palace game where we had 68% possession, had 17 shots to 4, 12 corners to 1?
That’ll be why he’s first name on the team sheetCrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:00 pmI remember Tresor racing back at full sprint against both Chelsea and Liverpool to help his defence. I don’t think he has adapted yet to the tempo, but the ridicule is, well, ridiculous.
I think both are and will be good players, for us or elsewhere.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:36 amOur problem comes from lack of steel in midfield and our dismal failure by VK to recognise and respond in January
Tressor and Ramsey cost millions and offer the square root of sod all to our team why we pursued both is mystery
I get mocked for supporting Tresor like in the above thread, I’ve never claimed he has adapted yet but he does try. Personally though I would now be playing Tresor on the right where he played against Chelsea, not ideal when a player needs to adapt to play him out of position but we need wins and we know he is creative and also has a great dead ball, that with Odobert on the left and Fofana / Amdouni in the middle could be too hot to handle. Obviously that was a naive formation for the top three in recent weeks but VK would argue we could have grabbed a shock win at Anfield doing it, and the games to come are easier so warrant “going for it” and hoping for a miracle.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:36 amOur problem comes from lack of steel in midfield and our dismal failure by VK to recognise and respond in January
Tressor and Ramsey cost millions and offer the square root of sod all to our team why we pursued both is mystery
That we deserved to win of course, as Roy said at the time.
He doesn't try enough off the ball, in fact of all the players we've had in the last 10 to 15 years, I can't remember a single one that has offered so little in that sense along with having such dreadful body language. It seems pretty clear that hes been brought up being known as an exceptionally talented player and treated as such, thats not to say he doesnt want to win but gives off an impression that the dirty work should be done by the rest of the team to allow him the freedom to go and create.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:21 amI get mocked for supporting Tresor like in the above thread, I’ve never claimed he has adapted yet but he does try. Personally though I would now be playing Tresor on the right where he played against Chelsea, not ideal when a player needs to adapt to play him out of position but we need wins and we know he is creative and also has a great dead ball, that with Odobert on the left and Fofana / Amdouni in the middle could be too hot to handle. Obviously that was a naive formation for the top three in recent weeks but VK would argue we could have grabbed a shock win at Anfield doing it, and the games to come are easier so warrant “going for it” and hoping for a miracle.
Trouble is, is Tresor dropped or injured, we don’t know because they don’t tell us anything, which is incompetence really because it fuels all kinds of unhelpful speculation.
On the point about steel in midfield, I’m not disagreeing, but I noticed last weekend both Berge and Brownhill were in the top dozen or so for tackles and interceptions, which flies in the face of the accusations of the team not trying (heads dropping after the 3rd goal is another matter).
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:24 amThat we deserved to win of course, as Roy said at the time.