James Trafford's Contract

[bumba]

sell 3 to 4 every year - that leaves 21, so...........

It'll be more than that upon relegation

[bumba]

I didn’t -

Selling 3-4 players a season ties in to my point that we will not sell everyone and rebuild with just youngsters every season

The ideology i’m sure eventuality is that we will have a mix

This is how clubs like ours can maintain

That is also reliant upon us staying in the premier league with premier League money coming in, we've blown the lot then got relegated.

[bumba]

I would have thought it obvious that a weak ish team either being continually pressed or suckered into quick counter attacks by world class players will have their keeper exposed far more than, say, in the championship.
He makes one or two good saves a match. Bread and butter stuff but to say one or two good saves in 28 games is just lying.

I don't know what games you've been watching if you think he's made 1 or 2 good saves a match

[boatshed bill]

I don't know what games you've been watching if you think he's made 1 or 2 good saves a match

Any save is a good save.

[bumba]

Any save is a good save.

Talk about desperate

[boatshed bill]

Talk about desperate

So explain to me the opposite, a bad save.

[Enola Gay]

I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘bad’ save.

There is absolutely such a thing as ‘just’ a save though.

He has a fan club who constantly tell us he’s a good/great shotstopper. I beg to differ. He’s had the odd worldly game but in general I don’t think his shotstopping is any better or worse than most other keepers we see. Certainly, it ain’t special enough to make up for his other flaws.

His shotstopping is, for me, Premier League-acceptable. The rest of his game isn’t. As I’ve said before he’s a strange hill for a manager to die on, but hey-ho.

[bumba]

So explain to me the opposite, a bad save.

That's like saying every goal is a good goal.
There's easy saves, lucky saves, basic saves, good saves, worldies.
A bad save would be like the one was it Everton where he saved it but palmed it straight back to a player to tap in?

[The Shire Claret]

That is also reliant upon us staying in the premier league with premier League money coming in, we've blown the lot then got relegated.

I don't agree with this at all - but each to their own.

[Nori1958]

I don't agree with this at all - but each to their own.

I have never known, somebody so intent on trying to find made up faults, in a player in a team they are meant to support than this clown.... If you think he's a bad player, fine, but don't mention it every bloody day for 6 months, with half of it made up, and then ridicule anyone who might suggest bumba is a bumbling idiot, no doubt his bullying gang will be along shortly to back him up, but iam past caring if i get banned for telling the truth so be it, but there is only one way to deal with bullies, and that's to fight back

[evensteadiereddie]

An excellent post, Nori.
Rovers fans, multiple usernames, entitled "fans" who have little or no appreciation of what the club has achieved or the potential of its players and manager, we seem to be infested with them.
You're right, to hell with them.

[The Shire Claret]

For me it's just trying to avoid grey areas .... I am a glass half full person in general but saying we have blown all the money etc... is simply not the case

No one wants to get relegated but i'm sure the intent is to finish first next season with a squad with huge potential....

Everyone is praising Luton and rightfully so ... but they remind me of the 2009 Burnley where we went for experience ... but it cant last hence why we didn't return to the PL the season after.

Buying and selling youth really is our best chance of being competitive over time .... but there will always be peaks and troughs

UTC

[bumba]

An excellent post, Nori.
Rovers fans, multiple usernames, entitled "fans" who have little or no appreciation of what the club has achieved or the potential of its players and manager, we seem to be infested with them.
You're right, to hell with them.

Here's Nori's bully gang

[evensteadiereddie]

Don't be so dramatic.
You seem to post what you like, when you like irrespective of whether its complete BS or not as is your right.
Don't be surprised when people come back at you.
As for bullying you, there'd be no point, your views are quite irrelevant.
If you are a Claret, you're the worst kind.

[bumba]

Don't be so dramatic.
You seem to post what you like, when you like irrespective of whether its complete BS or not as is your right.
Don't be surprised when people come back at you.
As for bullying you, there'd be no point, your views are quite irrelevant.
If you are a Claret, you're the worst kind.

The irony

[Brugge Claret]

I think the gentleman in question must have had a bad few days ,on Monday he made a snide comment to a lady who posted her condolences for a Claret’s fan who had just past ,and the poor lady didn’t seem to have a clue what he was talking about.

[evensteadiereddie]

The irony

Irony?
You're a lousy supporter, whingeing on and on about the same old stuff. Negative as hell with little or no attempt to be constructive.
As I said, that's your perogative but, Christ, it's getting tedious.
Perhaps you'll shut up as we get towards the end of the season.
As for claiming to be bullied, that really is pathetic. You flatter yourself.

[boatshed bill]

That's like saying every goal is a good goal.

Well, they are to the team that scores them.

[bumba]

Well, they are to the team that scores them.

Depends what your defining as a good goal, personally it's a good finish, a clumsy OG I wouldn't class as a good goal

[bumba]

Irony?
You're a lousy supporter, whingeing on and on about the same old stuff. Negative as hell with little or no attempt to be constructive.
As I said, that's your perogative but, Christ, it's getting tedious.
Perhaps you'll shut up as we get towards the end of the season.
As for claiming to be bullied, that really is pathetic. You flatter yourself.

You don't even know what your talking about.
The bully remarks were me being sarcastic after what Nori wrote.
The thing about being constructive is people like you and Nori because it doesn't agree with your 'were the best fans were positive' nonsense you just have a pop at anyone who says something different to what your thinking.
I'm not a lousy supporter because I've labelled this season shít when it's been shít.

[boatshed bill]

Depends what your defining as a good goal, personally it's a good finish, a clumsy OG I wouldn't class as a good goal

It really is as simple as this.
Every goal you score is a good one, every save your goalkeeper makes is a good one: they are the elements that decide the score.
OK; you may look for the perfect goal or the perfect save, that is up to you but it's entirely subjective.

[bumba]

It really is as simple as this.
Every goal you score is a good one, every save your goalkeeper makes is a good one: they are the elements that decide the score.
OK; you may look for the perfect goal or the perfect save, that is up to you but it's entirely subjective.

It really isn't regarding saves though, if a goalkeeper has an easy shot to save that he can hold or parry away from goal but saves it and palms it back to the strikers feet for a tap in then that in any book is a bad save

[boatshed bill]

It really isn't regarding saves though, if a goalkeeper has an easy shot to save that he can hold or parry away from goal but saves it and palms it back to the strikers feet for a tap in then that in any book is a bad save

Or an absolutely brilliant stop with unfortunate consequences?

[barracuda]

Lets face it, the best thing that can happen in this situation is Trafford gets sold over the summer. Sell at a loss, needs must. Then we get a keeper back next season that can pass the ball in a team that tries to pass the ball and so endeth this stupid and endless debate

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Lets face it, the best thing that can happen in this situation is Trafford gets sold over the summer. Sell at a loss, needs must. Then we get a keeper back next season that can pass the ball in a team that tries to pass the ball and so endeth this stupid and endless debate

Kompany will play him until he becomes the best keeper in the world or he is sacked. Seems there is no other option in his mind.

[barracuda]

Kompany will play him until he becomes the best keeper in the world or he is sacked. Seems there is no other option in his mind.

Yes. Or will need a team desperately short of a keeper to bid 15m+ for him (unlikely) and hope that the Mini-man from Del Monte says yes

[boatshed bill]

Or JT fulfills the potential which the national set-up believes in and becomes an absolutely brilliant EPL standard goalkeeper?
What was it Stan used to say about the man in the prison cell?

[Brugge Claret]

Or JT fulfills the potential which the national set-up believes in and becomes an absolutely brilliant EPL standard goalkeeper?
What was it Stan used to say about the man in the prison cell?

Unfortunately Stan said and I can’t remember is exact words that a couple of players wouldn’t play for Burnley again ,and possibly Williams would never be accepted as a Burnley player,and for a fair size group of the fans Trafford has become the stick to beat VK’s miserable failure this season.

[Benson]

Unfortunately Stan said and I can’t remember is exact words that a couple of players wouldn’t play for Burnley again ,and possibly Williams would never be accepted as a Burnley player,and for a fair size group of the fans Trafford has become the stick to beat VK’s miserable failure this season.

Welcome back Westleigh, how was Tenerife?

[Brugge Claret]

Welcome back Westleigh, how was Tenerife?

Sorry mate you’ve lost me there .

[dsr]

Lets face it, the best thing that can happen in this situation is Trafford gets sold over the summer. Sell at a loss, needs must. Then we get a keeper back next season that can pass the ball in a team that tries to pass the ball and so endeth this stupid and endless debate

By that reckoning, we can sell a shedload of players who aren't good enough for the Championship. Benson, Zaroury, Cullen, Beyer, Ekdal, Al Dakhill - none of them have shown they can pass a ball this season.

Trafford will be fne next year. It is harder to pass a ball in the Pl than it is in the Championship. All our players have found that. Muric would have found that too. I'm not saying he isn't a better passer than Trafford, because he probably is - but then, so is Tresor, and I hope you wouldn't suggest putting him in goal.

Trafford will be fine.

[bumba]

Or an absolutely brilliant stop with unfortunate consequences?

Did you know a spade was a spade?

A bad save is a bad save, a goalkeeper error, a goalkeeper mistake whatever you wanna call it but you can't big it up in to something it isn't.

Stop clutching a straws.

[evensteadiereddie]

You don't even know what your talking about.
The bully remarks were me being sarcastic after what Nori wrote.
The thing about being constructive is people like you and Nori because it doesn't agree with your 'were the best fans were positive' nonsense you just have a pop at anyone who says something different to what your thinking.
I'm not a lousy supporter because I've labelled this season shít when it's been shít.

You were being sarcastic, mmm not so sure about that...
Your second paragraph doesn't actually make sense.
Yes, you've labelled this season as "****", that's up to you, but it's your constant repetition, whining and bitching, day after day, that has destroyed any credibility you have as a "supporter".
Pointing that out is not "having a pop" at you and your mob.
Anyway, enjoy the Brentford game.

[Jakubclaret]

Enjoy what's likely to be another defeat no doubt.

[bumba]

You were being sarcastic, mmm not so sure about that...
Your second paragraph doesn't actually make sense.
Yes, you've labelled this season as "****", that's up to you, but it's your constant repetition, whining and bitching, day after day, that has destroyed any credibility you have as a "supporter".
Pointing that out is not "having a pop" at you and your mob.
Anyway, enjoy the Brentford game.

I'll have a fantastic day thank you, I'll be in the Dyche before and after if you'd like a pint.
I can't find a description anywhere that says a supporter can't be honest about how poor his team has been. I'm presuming you feel VK has lost all credibility as a manager with his repetitive bad team selections week after week?
Not sure who the so called mob are but I don't know any of them

[boatshed bill]

Did you know a spade was a spade?

A bad save is a bad save, a goalkeeper error, a goalkeeper mistake whatever you wanna call it but you can't big it up in to something it isn't.

Stop clutching a straws.

A goalkeeping error is not a save is it.
A completed save, however easy you may think it is, cannot be deemed "bad"
Any goal scored by the team one supports is a good goal, just because it positively affects the score.
I'm not clutching at straws, why would I need to do that? I'm perfectly happy with my definitions.

[bumba]

A goalkeeping error is not a save is it.
A completed save, however easy you may think it is, cannot be deemed "bad"
Any goal scored by the team one supports is a good goal, just because it positively affects the score.
I'm not clutching at straws, why would I need to do that? I'm perfectly happy with my definitions.

So if a keeper makes a save but the rebound is put in isn't actually a save!?
So if a keeper 'saves' a penalty but they tap the rebound in that goes down as a goalkeeper error and not a penalty save!? That's a new one to me.
If your team is losing 6-0 and the opposition player kicks the ball in his own net I wouldn't personally walk away saying what a good goal it was

[boatshed bill]

So if a keeper makes a save but the rebound is put in isn't actually a save!?
So if a keeper 'saves' a penalty but they tap the rebound in that goes down as a goalkeeper error and not a penalty save!? That's a new one to me.
If your team is losing 6-0 and the opposition player kicks the ball in his own net I wouldn't personally walk away saying what a good goal it was

I remember Sam Vokes putting one in off his backside, I don't recall anyone devaluing it.
Obviously you have your interpretations, but they seem to vary substantially to suit your agenda.
I can assure you that I am happy to assess any goal or any save on it's merits. You have dragged this argument all over the place from my original position that any save is a good one and any goal is too.

[bumba]

I remember Sam Vokes putting one in off his backside, I don't recall anyone devaluing it.
Obviously you have your interpretations, but they seem to vary substantially to suit your agenda.
I can assure you that I am happy to assess any goal or any save on it's merits. You have dragged this argument all over the place from my original position that any save is a good one and any goal is too.

There's that famous word, agenda yawn it's always rolled out when someone disagrees with you.
I have dragged it all over I've proved my point that not all saves are good save, it's a fact.

[boatshed bill]

There's that famous word, agenda yawn it's always rolled out when someone disagrees with you.
I have dragged it all over I've proved my point that not all saves are good save, it's a fact.

You've gone round in a circle, well done.

[evensteadiereddie]

Enjoy what's likely to be another defeat no doubt.

And?
You'll not be there anyway.

[Jakubclaret]

And?
You'll not be there anyway.

I'm not sure how that conclusions been reached I do occasionally go when I can be arsed admittedly it's not been often with that buffoon sat in the dugout.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I'm not sure how that conclusions been reached I do occasionally go when I can be arsed admittedly it's not been often with that buffoon sat in the dugout.

You know you’ve defeated a happy clapper when they roll out the old “well you won’t be there anyway” line.

It’s a classic that Nori uses frequently too.

[bumba]

You know you’ve defeated a happy clapper when they roll out the old “well you won’t be there anyway” line.

It’s a classic that Nori uses frequently too.

They stay until they're the lasts ones out, arrive first, always stay positive, always speak good of our club, anybody else isn't a proper fan!!!!!!
Somebody should tell these ultras at big European clubs about standing outside players houses or storming training grounds that they aren't proper fans!
A bundesliga club was made to stay on the pitch in front of the ultras last weekend whilst one of the main fans gave them a bollocking
Our happy clappers would be disgusted with that!

[Bullabill]

Welcome back Westleigh, how was Tenerife?

Not Westleigh - Carwin 261.

[Jakubclaret]

You know you’ve defeated a happy clapper when they roll out the old “well you won’t be there anyway” line.

It’s a classic that Nori uses frequently too.

I've got nori & Eddie both down as Blackburn fans masquerading as Burnley fans on this forum so what they think or say matters little to me.

[Benson]

I've got nori & Eddie both down as Blackburn fans masquerading as Burnley fans on this forum so what they think or say matters little to me.

Quite ironic considering who you’re replying to.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I've got nori & Eddie both down as Blackburn fans masquerading as Burnley fans on this forum so what they think or say matters little to me.

You could be onto something there. Only a Blackburn fan would constantly defend how we’ve been performing this season.

[Jakubclaret]

You could be onto something there. Only a Blackburn fan would constantly defend how we’ve been performing this season.

Not having the clubs best interests at heart you are left drawing that grim conclusion.

[Swizzlestick]

Not having the clubs best interests at heart you are left drawing that grim conclusion.

Unreal